GoPro BAD quality.

[GreenMachine113]

I like to upload GoPro videos to my YouTube account and here lately, I can not for the life of me get good quality out of them now. I used to just directly upload them to YT and it was excellent quality, no problems at all. Then I started wanting to edit my clips together instead of having a ton of miscellaneous uploads on my channel. So I bought one of the Magix Movie Edit Pro's. I believe it was 17. I liked it at first. My first two videos had good quality
Here's one of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waa4SUgw9nM

Then for some reason unknown to me, my next 2 videos have been CRAP. At first I thought something was happening during the export to mess things up. Because I would edit it, export it (as MPEG-4, which is what GoPro films in) and then watch the exported video on the computer and it would have terrible quality. So when it was uploaded to YT, lo and behold the quality was terrible, if not worse. Here's one of the videos I made after the one showed above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5IMI0TXUiE

As far as I know, I haven't made any changes in the editor, and I know for a fact I haven't changed any settings on the camera.
I finally got fed up and wanted to upload the clips individually like I used to do before I ever got an editor, to my surprise, the quality is garbage too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnvt-Tl49Nc

What in the world is going on?

[GreenMachine113]

Oh and a little more detail, I've tried this on 2 separate computers, both with the same video editor, and I get the SAME results.

[budwzr]

Why aren't you using the Cineform editor.

[aedipuss]

use mediainfo in text mode on one of the bad quality source files and paste the results here

[GreenMachine113]

use mediainfo in text mode on one of the bad quality source files and paste the results here

General
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\Joe Dirt\My Documents\My Videos\Chest Cam.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 134 MiB
Duration : 4mn 14s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 4 408 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 4mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 4 278 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.069
Stream size : 130 MiB (97%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 4mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 239 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 3.88 MiB (3%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23
Tagged date : UTC 2012-11-04 17:30:23


I believe this is what you are looking for?

[poisondeathray]

Is that mediainfo report from the native camera file, or re-encoded sample ?

4.2Mb/s is awfully low bitrate for 1080p30 - especially if it's the source file. It only goes downhill from there. Usually you would record 5-6x that bitrate for consumer cameras. Does the camera have higher bitrate recording modes?

[GreenMachine113]

Is that mediainfo report from the native camera file, or re-encoded sample ?

4.2Mb/s is awfully low bitrate for 1080p30 - especially if it's the source file. It only goes downhill from there. Usually you would record 5-6x that bitrate for consumer cameras. Does the camera have higher bitrate recording modes?

As far as I know, I can't change bitrate settings in the GoPro menus.
And the file I used was 4 clips I had put into Magix and made into one video, then exported as 1 video. But just one clip, not edited or anything, just raw video is

General
Complete name : C:\Documents and Settings\Joe Dirt\My Documents\My Videos\GoPro Videos\GOPR0596.MP4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : JVT
Codec ID : avc1
File size : 44.2 MiB
Duration : 24s 424ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 15.2 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02
Tagged date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02
AMBA :



Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=15
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 24s 424ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 15.0 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 49.9 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.242
Stream size : 43.8 MiB (99%)
Title : GoProa AVC
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02
Tagged date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 24s 405ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 33ms
Stream size : 382 KiB (1%)
Title : GoPro AAC
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02
Tagged date : UTC 2011-12-20 16:04:02

[budwzr]

OK, but did you answer the question?

[budwzr]

Did you try the Cineform software? It's FREE!!

[GreenMachine113]

You'll have to excuse me, I have no knowledge of pretty much anything in this thread. So, questions may have to be "dumbed down" for me, so to speak.

[budwzr]

Looks like a YT problem.

I use GoPros too, but never experienced that.

[aedipuss]

the file from the gopro looks like it's around 15mbps, the one you put together and uploaded was only 4mbps. it look like your magix encoding settings are too low. try setting the bitrate to 15mbps in magix for the output and see if that looks better.

[GreenMachine113]

I tried CineForm with the same results.
Well, what I did with CineForm, was import 4 files and I converted all 4. I thought I put all 4 clips together and then exported as MP4. Well I actually didn't put the clips together, all I essentially did was convert one clip to .AVI, and then right after converted it back to MP4 lol. But I uploaded said clip to YT and got the same results. It was late last night when I tried out CineForm so I didn't give it another shot, but I'm going to try it again and actually put the clips together this time around.

And I'm going to try to change the bitrate in Magix

[budwzr]

Try to find the point of corruption.

If YT AND Cineform are having troubles, that means maybe the encoder is screwing it up. That's the only commonality. Do you have X264 installed?

If it plays bad right out of the camera, then you were playing with the settings on your computer, and yourself screwed it up. Does VLC play it?

In this situation, perhaps MagixMM doesn't support GoPro H.264. That's a $49 software, right?

[GreenMachine113]

Playback of raw video files straight from the camera is amazing. I can move the files from my SD card onto the computer and play it back perfectly in Windows Media Player.
I dunno what X264 is and I don't know what VLC is, either.
I paid more than $49 for my software. I think it was about $100.

[GreenMachine113]

Can you not put 2 clips together into CineForm and make them into 1 video file?

[GreenMachine113]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtG0hd7XSc8&feature=youtu.be

Here is a raw video file just uploaded to YT. No editing or anything. This HAS to be a YT issue. But I don't know why this out of nowhere happened.

I also tried something else. I used CineForm to convert this same clip to AVI, and I was going to try to upload the AVI file to YT, but the upload time was ridiculous so I just quit before it got too far. I was going to see if it was YouTube messing up JUST MP4 files.

[GreenMachine113]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK3fJNqaMuQ&list=UUYhhMu2u16rO7uQNhE5zQmA&index=1&feature=plcp

Here's a video that I recorded and uploaded from my iPhone. WTF is going on. I think I'm having issues that are non-related to any editor.

[GreenMachine113]

Alright everybody, I hate to tell you this, but we've been trying to find a problem that was not even there. The iPhone clip having the same issue as the GoPro clips made me think I had an internet related issue. Well, it sort of was. I hooked my computer up directly to the ethernet cord instead of using the router and uploaded a video. Video playback on YT is top quality. My router is a combo modem/router from Windstream and is TOPS 2 months old. Well, apparently this problem started happening right after I got this new router. What a feakin' joke, huh?

Thank you to everyone who was trying to help me with this, anyways. I really do appreciate all the suggestions you have given me. If I ever need any more editing help, I know where I'll be coming to for answers!