Major weird ass problem

[sean madison]

After ripping office space, i ran it thru dvd2avi choosing forced film ok, i the encoded it usin 23.976 with 3:2 pulldown the resulting mpg was WAY out of sync encoding to standard svcd!!

I demuxed the vid and audio-
vid= 1:29:09
aud=1:29:11

WHY is the audio longer than vid?!?!?!?!

I did NOT use source range at all, i used 2 pass vbr but never source range.

fps of vid- 128241
fps of aud- 128399

what the hell is goin on here?

those are the fps of source d2v and wav file.

After encoding, for some WEIRD reason, BOTH the vid and aud when demuxed are 2 sec off but have the SAME fps!! i'm like VERY lost.

Does anyone know what to do?

[sean madison]

i have tried EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

i have tried muxing audio and vid by changing the audio fps to 23.976 instead of 24, but that didnt help.

i have demuxed the vid and audio and tried other conversions, didnt help

now, i reran dvd2avi, choose none instead of force film, de-interlacing, and encoding strictly to 29.97 fps, see if that helps

[poopyhead]

i've already ripped/encoded office space with no problems...

the only thing is i had to use the de-interlace filter to remove some horizontal lines...but the majority of the movie is still FILM...so you should turn FORCED FILM on in dvd2avi

the audio and video doesn't always have to be the same length..sometimes the video runs longer than the audio in the end or vice-versa

i'm guessing u didn't remove the multi-angles in there....did you use smartripper? if you did, make sure you rip it in "movie mode" and let smartripper choose the files automatically to rip

if you used dvddecryptor..u need to goto "options" and enabled MULTI-ANGLE PROCESSING

[sean madison]

oh really?

please respond back to this so i can be right on this-

i rip al movies in smartripper by files, not movie, cuz i thought it does the same thing i want it to do,-- rip the 4 vobs.

So, let me make sure on this- if i rip in movie mode, with force film in dvd2avi(i love to use force film when i got it to work, hehe), the encoding process would be perfect in terms of no outta sync stuff?

Cuz listen to this-

Instead of me encoding to 23.976 3:@ pulldown, i'm encodin at 29.97 straight and so far, its not outta sync(i stopped it half way and still good, so i restarted it.)

[poopyhead]

sean madison,

always use movie mode to rip in smartripper.

unless you wanna preserve the multi-angles or seamless branching (i.e. to use with flask), you should definitely use "movie mode"...otherwise, the extra multi-angles can get your audio outta sync, not to mention repeated scenes in your rip

[sean madison]

ok thanks, so i should also use this for special features as well then.

Wel, alright, thanks man, u a smart man.

just one other question, part of dvd ripping as well-

When u have an avi that is a dvd rip ok, u import it into tmpgenc and u HAVE to extract the audio to wav cuz for some reason, tmpgenc cant encode the avi audio.

Well, before i proceed, the legnth of the avi and the wav are the same.

I use 23.976 fps with 3:2 pulldown and the result is this EVERY time!-

It never goes out of sync, but the last 10-15 sec of the output mpg from dvd avi file, the audio is just gone!

But if i play the wav file, the audio is there, but not in the mpg that was encoded!
What do i do to prevent this?

[sean madison]

ok, i did what u said and it is STILL out of sync.

used 23.976 fps with 3:2 pulldown.

I am now trying strictly 29.97 fps non interlace.

Hopefully, this will work.

[sean madison]

ok people, PLEASE HELP ME on this question-

This office space dvd is apparently only able to stay in sync when force film is NOT chosen in dvd2avi.

For some reason.

But please, someone answer these 2 questions for me-

I have ripped special features off of plenty of dvds with force film enabled and it always stayed in sync, even encoding at 23.976 with 3:2 pulldown

But with an actual movie(office space is my first dvd movie rip), i cannot choose force film, and i was wondering one-

can movies be encoded with force film and if so, how can u tell which ones cuz-
office space- 29.97 fps progressive video type- FILM

and 2nd-

Why can i do special features this way and not the movie?

[poopyhead]

hrm..very weird...cuz i've ripped office space using forced film and it was perfectly in sync...

first off, you should use forced film if the majority of the movie is progressive, non-interlaced, FILM (you'll know this from dvd2avi's info box)

also, what are your dvd2avi settings, which track did you use?

[sean madison]

i used track one man, from my understanding, u always use track 1 unless u get no audio, right?

I'm now doing none, instead of force film. it sucks bad.

I'm just tryin to figure out, why can special features be made like u make em but not the movie

Dude, i even burned it today and it was outta sync, so i knw for a fact that my pc isnt lyin when playin back

[vince]

The forced film option has never worked for me. The audio is always longer than the video. I posted this problem before. Somebody said that it is the problem with the new version of DVD2AVI. I am now using IVTC instead of forced film. It worked fine.

[sean madison]

oh really, thats what i noticed-

d2v length of vobs- 1 hr 29 min 9 sec
audio length- 1 hr 29 min 15 sec

One of my friends told me something interesting that i WILL share with everyone.

It is true and has been said that when choosing none in dvd2avi instead of force film, u will have interlace problems.

Well, when i noticed this, i just deinterlaced using even-odd field but output was kinda blurry, no where near the dvd crispness.

My friend told me a deinterlace option to try as he says it works for him and good GOD!, it does not blur it, dont take me 100% yet cuz movie is still encodin but the quality looks the same as force film w\o deinterlace.

We are now using- even field adaptation. You cannot even tell it alters anything on the screen, but it does fix interlace probs.

I hope when this gets done today, it's in sync. Cuz if it is, YEA!!!!!!!!!!

This is my 6th time encoding office space, what a drag. Oh well, if this works, it was well worth the hastle.

[poopyhead]

it could be dvd2avi's problem....if you guys still want, i can e-mail you guys the older version of dvd2avi that i use...no problem...

also, any de-interlace option will remove unnecessary quality....i only use it when there r still some interlacing artifacts even after i use FORCED FILM...

however, the best way to go is still use FORCED FILM when the source is NON-INTERLACED, PROGRESSIVE, FILM

only disable FORCED FILM, if the majority of the source is INTERLACED, NTSC

so vince could be right about the new version of dvd2avi, so i can e-mail u guys the version i'm using...

[asifanwar]

If it makes anybody feel any better:

I have ripped MANY NTSC movies to DVD-R and also can do PERFECT PAL to NTSC conversions and never had a problem....until now!

Film: R1 NTSC widescreen 'RAIN MAN'
Rip with SmartRipper (tried it every way there is)
DVD2AVI in ForceFILM (cos it is), which worked fine before with everything else!
Encode using TMPGEnd and then Pulldown, or to CCE (my favorite) or Framserving via FlaskMPG or whatever...... video is WAY ahead of audio by the end of the film! WTF!

Never had a problem before! I am CONVINCED that DVD2AVI is screwing up somehow (but FlaskMPG reads the VOBs directly..... hmm....)
Anyway, I am bummed and rather stuck.

Any advice would be good. Thanks.

[poopyhead]

well..some movies r just like that....

is the audio outta sync for the same amount of time throughout the movie or does it gradually get more outta sync as the movie progesses?

10 things i hate about u and usual suspects are two movies where i had to use the audio skew feature in tmpgenc cuz the audio was outta sync (but by the same lengh throughout the movie...so not a big deal)

[sean madison]

the audio probably is gradually going out of sync.

Oh, tmpgenc got done encodin and video is fine now-

Did Not use force film, sefy stresses not to use it unless the video is strictly 23.976 fps ONLY! not with pulldown.

I used deinterlace even field adaptation, sharpen filter, looks fine.