ShiZZZoN- I have made a NEW Rainbow Book Standard Movie Form

[sean madison]

Yes, I have indeed invented an underground movie format that I will officially call-
VCD-X and SVCD-X

What these formats do will blow ur mind away.
VCDHelp will not be entitled to this new release until i get a question answered later on but this is what they are-

These 2 formats are for dvd players who can read burned cds but can only read standard vcds and svcds.
I know those of you who have these type of dvd players have to usually burn on 2 cds to watch a movie.
NOT TRUE ANYMORE

Thanks to me, ShiZZZoN, i have once again done the impossible.
With this format, you will be able to encode at ANY bitrate using my calc and ANY audio bitrate from which u choose on my calc and be able to make your movie.
This format takes no loneger than 10 extra minutes versus a normal encoded movie, thats it!!

This has been tested on 3 different standard vcd\svcd dvd players and they ALL perform PERFECTLY!

Now here is my question-
If i get this successfully answered, i will upgrade my guide before its released and you will have svcd standard pic quality as low of a bitrate as 700!! without using filters!

I need to know 2 things, (2nd question should be an easy one)
1- how will i be able to blow up res from 352x240 or 352x288 to 480x480 without quality loss?
I know CBR doesnt work since it makes blocks majorly but i notice when using CQ, it does better, is this what i should use?
2nd question- i know 480x480 is NTSC standard svcd res, what is pals?

[punchbuggy]

What is the quality of your svcds?

[sean madison]

I just said, the quality of this new format is same quality as if there were in true SVCD standard

Now if someone doesnt answer my 2 questions because it benefits u and vcdhelp, this guide will NEVER be released but only to people in person.

[Greg12]

I don't think it can be done. You can cut your losses by using Virtual Dub's Smart Resize.

If you can get an HQ BiCubic resize filter, then it'll look better.

It would be best to go XVCD if u can. OR go back n recapture at 480x480.

If ur getting blocks, up the bitrate and run a better
motion estimation. (try high quality)

If u can play XVCD, i would go this way n i sent in a tempate

It would be XVCD at DVD RES by Greg.


Max bitrate 3megs
Adverage 2.5megs
Min 1 meg

It works well on low motion video

2.) PAL SVCD is 480x576

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Greg12 on 2002-01-04 22:58:08 ]</font>

[vitualis]

Non-standard VCD = XVCD
Non-standard SVCD = XSVCD

Doesn't matter what you call it, it is not a standard. Standards are ratified by many large corporations with an interest in producing a product for the purposes of compatibility.

If you can even get one stand-alone VCD player (not DVD player) to play a non-standard VCD I'd be impressed.

Regards.

[kinneera]

Sorry, but I don't buy it. ~700 Kbps is not, and never will be, competitive with video authored at bitrates of 2000+ Kbps. Its just math. If you are happy with the quality you attain at that bitrate, however, all the more power to you. But don't tell me its as good as SVCD standard video.

[siaododo]

Hate to burst your bubble, 700 kbs? No way.

[KennyC]

Hi,
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>ShiZZZoN- I have made a NEW Rainbow Book Standard Movie Format!!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
Your TOPIC makes a statement
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>
On 2002-01-04 21:28:29, sean madison wrote:
Yes, I have indeed invented an underground movie format that I will officially call-
VCD-X and SVCD-X</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks to me, ShiZZZoN, i have once again done the impossible.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Now here is my question-
If i get this successfully answered, i will upgrade my guide before its released and you will have svcd standard pic quality as low of a bitrate as 700!! without using filters!

I need to know 2 things, (2nd question should be an easy one)
1- how will i be able to blow up res from 352x240 or 352x288 to 480x480 without quality loss?
I know CBR doesnt work since it makes blocks majorly but i notice when using CQ, it does better, is this what i should use?
2nd question- i know 480x480 is NTSC standard svcd res, what is pals?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

I can't believe what I'm reading, 1st you make statements that you have CREATED a NEW Rainbow Book Standard Movie Format, then you ask questions.

I know you have helped out many, many students like myself, but you don't need to try to big-note yourself, we know you are already great at what you do.....

Have you created it already, yes or no?

PS: Pleasez don't take offence to my post.

Cheers.


©.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-- KennyC --·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.©



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: KennyC on 2002-01-05 01:48:58 ]</font>

[sean madison]

OK, what do i have to do to prove this?

Do i have to send one a movie over 80 min long to someone whos dvd player only supports standard vcd\svcd and let them burn it to see for themselves?

I will do this
There is no other way to prove it.
If anyone wants the NRG cd image of one the movies i have done that has a dvd player that only supports vcd\svcd standard, reply, u WILL SEE!

[kinneera]

In the case of SVCD, I'm not contending that it won't work in a player that only accepts standard formats. You can make the bitrate very low and still have a standard SVCD as long as the resolution is still 480x480 or 480x576. But in the case of VCD, it is going to be an XVCD, no matter what. Still, it wouldn't be surprising if most players that handle standard-compliant VCDs only would still be able to handle low-bitrate VCDs, since the barrier is often drive spin speed.

Still, I stand by my earlier assessment that the quality will be nowhere near comparable to video at higher bitrates.

[d4n13l]

"Do i have to send one a movie over 80 min long to someone whos dvd player only supports standard vcd\svcd and let them burn it to see for themselves?"

Why not just encode a small sample? Like a minutes worth? Cut a minutes worth out of your 80 minute sample and send it to someone, or put it on some web space and give us a link.
I have to say though, I am a bit dubious about your claims that it is identical quality.

[Greg12]

Or post a template.

You know someone will disect the file and find out everything.

[bilbogod]

I think this could be that thread that will get over 500 replies

[sean madison]

HMM, u know, thats a good idea

How bout this people-
Everyone knows that in standard terms for VCD-
1 MIN = 10 MB
For SVCD-
1 MIN ~~~ 20 MB
So, how bout this, i'll put the mpg on my web site ok!
1 minute SVCD-X(my new standard)

Not only that, here is the file size for this file-
7.01 MB for 1 min 00 sec SVCD-X file.
Make sure your dvd player only supports vcd\svcd standard formats so that this test is valid.
I hate to prove myself to people who have to see to believe.

What will I have to do next? Prove that God exists?
Here is link on my site- http://shizzzon.xk5.org/test.htm

[sean madison]

Oh and one more thing, The guide or template is not being send to VCDHelp!

It is being sold for money.

[bilbogod]

Wow !!! Dude it works!!!!!!!!
My player is an Eclipse 695 and is certainly not compatible with anything other than svcd/vcd and it plays fine on it. I had to burn a bin and then load the cue into CDwin as I got probs with my version of Nero. By my reckoning thats what 114 mins on 1 cd!! The quality looked bloody good (albeit not 100% perfection - was this a dvd rip??) I'm sure the sceptics here will wish to see a longer clip though.

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>What will I have to do next? Prove that God exists?</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude that's easy just upload your photo

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>It is being sold for money</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Hopefully flattery will earn a discount

[t1955feb]

DVD2SVCD THE BEST

[t1955feb]

your asking money for this?????????????????????????????

[JCPicache]

you seriously expect to make money off of this?

c'mon, we all know that just one person will pay, then i'm betting they'll post it up somewhere on the web (probably here).

sorry but that's just the way it is.

[flaninacupboard]

erm.

have -any- of you got a sense of humour? he's clearly taking the piss out of those spanish wankers. see? hello?!
clearly humours remains in the realm of the intellignet.....

[bilbogod]

No actually It was my silly idea... I told him to sell it
Btw Sean please change the title of this thread a.s.a.p to something that will provoke a much wider response. Being a seasoned expert at provoking reaction I hope I can give you an idea. Change your thread title to something like "REVOLUTIONARY VCD FORMAT - FEEDBACK REQUIRED!!!!!"

[KennyC]

Hi,

Guyz, how do you feel about giving this guy assistance/advice/feedback and now he wants to make money from it.

Cheerz. ;(

[KennyC]

Hi,
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Now here is my question-
If i get this successfully answered, i will upgrade my guide before its released and you will have svcd standard pic quality as low of a bitrate as 700!! without using filters!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>Now if someone doesnt answer my 2 questions because it benefits u and vcdhelp, this guide will NEVER be released but only to people in person.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
Pleasez release your template so we can TEST it, I think otherwise you will start to lose more credibility than you already have and pleasez stop the big-note talk, I don't think it impresses anyone, but your work WILL.

Again, pleasez don't take offence, I'm just stating the facts.

Cheerz.

[vhelp]

to all...

I'm not on anybody's side, but. . .

You all have understand from his point, he found something that
seems to work very well and he's very EXCited about it and can't
control is his irges - no affense - he means well, so give him a
chance to spam us with his svcd-"X" system. I'm D/L'ing the file
as we all speak (from my 56k)

Course, it could be a conspir. where he's collecting our address and
stuff to his master spam list, he, he.... ad mine to your list, he, he....

Na, ceriously though, give him the freedom to speak out!!
And, if he wants to charge - let him! You and I and anyone else
don't have to buy! Not so hard, is it!

...so, sean, go on adead with your celibration!!
and good luck!

-vhelp

[next]

I downloaded the file and took a look at it. I think the quality pretty much sucks. It's not for me even if it was free. I have no interest in seeing how many minutes I can force into a CDR at the expense of quality.

Like I said the quality pretty much sucked.

[d4n13l]

"I hate to prove myself to people who have to see to believe.

What will I have to do next? Prove that God exists?"

Well if I told you pigs could fly would you believe it?
And no, the quality is not identical IMHO.
Nice effort though, well done.

[KennyC]

<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>
On 2002-01-05 17:43:00, next wrote:
I downloaded the file and took a look at it. I think the quality pretty much sucks. It's not for me even if it was free. I have no interest in seeing how many minutes I can force into a CDR at the expense of quality.

Like I said the quality pretty much sucked.</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree that he's compromised the visual quality to reduce the filesize, in my opinion this is a definite NO-GO.

As soon as there is a little movement, you get severe, yes the dreaded MACROBLOCKS and this was tested on 2 standalone DVD players.

I have conducted hundreds of TMPGEnc template tests to find the best compromise, but I won't sacrifice VISUAL viewing quality for a slightly reduced filesize and possible incompatible .MPEG.

I'll stick to my own X-VCD's for the time being, virtually NO MACROBLOCKS and acceptable filesize.

Cheerz.

[vhelp]

Ok,

I've just finished D/L'ing the file. I will give my honest opinion as to quality
as soon as I figure out exactly how to burn to CD via Nero w/out any
errors.

Be right back. . .

-vhelp

[KennyC]

Hi vhelp,

Nero v5.5.6.9 checked and burned the so-called SVCD-X with no problems, I checked NTSC cause that's what I thought it would be, I live in OZ which is PAL.

ShiZZZon:
<TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE>ShiZZZoN- Biggest In-depth convo- I expect over 500 replies!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>
I think you were wrong about your other post with the topic ShiZZZoN- Biggest In-depth convo- I expect over 500 replies!, but I think this thread may get there.

I can be people's worst nightmare on discussion forms, I've been Co-Administrator for 3 years now on a D/F, getting 1.5 to 2 million visits per year and I won't tolerate on mine when people make statements that can't be backed up with solid evidence. Sorry m80y, but this probably comes from the fact that I'm no teenager, and thinking about it, not even close to being one.

Cheerz again m80y. HeHehe...



©.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·-- KennyC --·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.©



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: KennyC on 2002-01-05 19:10:32 ]</font>

[vhelp]

Ok,

Here's my opinion and findings on this clip.

* I tested this clip on both my Apex AD-500 and AD-1500
* I wanted to know if it was really 700mbts, turns out it was 1.2mbits
...per MPEG2VCR and MPEGPROP.exe
* as far as what others here were saying on blocks, yes, there were
noticable blocks during viewing.
* during the transiitons, there were noticable blocks

Notes:
-------------
at the very begining, the scene of the globe was spinning. In the movie,
"The Mummy Returns" the same scene show that globe. My version of my
VCD's of this same globe spinning showed no blocks at all. I only noticed
just a hint of blocks (if you analy looked closely at it) during this sequence.
As for the transitions, well, they were obvious. However, since this clip
was encoded at 1.2mbts, I just can't help to wonder how the 700mbits
will look

It was a good trial!

-vhelp