ShiZZZoN- I have made a NEW Rainbow Book Standard Movie Form

[Leehro]

"Again i say to you, I dont have to, because I KNOW the compression schemes are the SAME, and AGAIN pose to you, if mpeg-2 sucks below 3000 mbps, then why the hell is SVCD standard 480x480 @ ~2500 bps??, and why do most everyone consider SVCD far superior than VCD (mpeg1), if the mpeg2 "SUCKS big time" below 3000, for the last time I IMPLORE you to answer that question, I would love to hear that"

Just something quick to say about the SVCD Standard, and standards in general. Companies want to make money. I'm sure when SVCD was created, they wanted to make money selling players. Now, if they used MPEG-1, it's possible that a VCD player could play the disks. Yeah it's a different resolution, but its one less thing to differentiate between formats, and one less selling point. The compression algorithms are not identical.

Arguing about "standards" really doesn't support anything here, since the argument is about quality. There are lots of video compression formats, and the "best" one for a certain application (movies on CD) might not be what makes it into the players. Remember Beta? better quality video, but VHS won that fight for home video.

I have worked a lot with VCD, and some with SVCD, and now DVD. There are so many variables, that you can't really say which is the best for a given bitrate. The only thing I can say is that most of the APPLICATIONS of MPEG-1 are lower bitrates and lower resolutions. VCD and lower. And most of the applications of MPEG-2 are higher bitrates and higher resolutions. DVD, HDTV, DirecTV... So I wouldn't be surprised if MPEG-1 produced its best picture at low bitrates, and MPEG-2 produced its best at high bitrates. People working on these weren't exactly doing it as a hobby to rip off movies.

One other point -- MPEG-2 does have some additional overhead like all of those audio standards. Remember the mpeg 5+1 that is part of SVCD standard? Even if it's just a flag of one bit indicating whether that is enabled or not, that's still one bit that the MPEG-1 stream has freed. Now, my argument is not abot 1 bit, but the concept of this. If you're doing stereo MPEG Audio and a low bitrate, why NOT use MPEG-1?

That's more than I planned on saying, but oh well.

Dan

[Kdiddy]

"Just something quick to say about the SVCD Standard, and standards in general. Companies want to make money. I'm sure when SVCD was created, they wanted to make money selling players. Now, if they used MPEG-1, it's possible that a VCD player could play the disks. Yeah it's a different resolution, but its one less thing to differentiate between formats, and one less selling point. The compression algorithms are not identical."

Well considering that mpeg-1 is the subset of mpeg-2, any decoder that decodes mpeg2 CAN decode mpeg1, so thought of of making the consumer have to choose between a mpeg1 decoder & mpeg2 decoder is invalid. SVCD was started in part by the Chinese to offset the beginnings of DVD. They wanted offer a lower cost/almost same quality option. Which is why they chose mpeg2 video in order to be able to support the added features that you mentioned that DVD would support, not becuase of a dislike or low performance of mpeg1. Well obviously it didnt fly to well in the rest of world, which is why you dont see high support for it on DVD players. Nor do you see any or very few retailers that actually selling SVCDs. Very few AVERAGE consumers will by a DVD player based on SVCD support or not. Most are buying to play DVDs, not like us hobbyist who create VCDs/SVCDs.

" The only thing I can say is that most of the APPLICATIONS of MPEG-1 are lower bitrates and lower resolutions. VCD and lower. And most of the applications of MPEG-2 are higher bitrates and higher resolutions. DVD, HDTV, DirecTV... So I wouldn't be surprised if MPEG-1 produced its best picture at low bitrates, and MPEG-2 produced its best at high bitrates. People working on these weren't exactly doing it as a hobby to rip off movies. "

I agree mostly, but the main arguing point for a LOT of people around here is exactly what is considered high/low bitrate...Now you say "mpeg1 at lower bitrate AND resolution" "wouldn't be surprised if MPEG-1 produced its best picture at low bitrates", with this I completely agree, depending on what you termed "low" bitrate to be. The key is also the LOW RESOLUTION which you stated, which Kwag's 720x480 is not.

[Leehro]

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Well considering that mpeg-1 is the subset of mpeg-2, any decoder that decodes mpeg2 CAN decode mpeg1, so thought of of making the consumer have to choose between a mpeg1 decoder & mpeg2 decoder is invalid. SVCD was started in part by the Chinese to offset the beginnings of DVD. They wanted offer a lower cost/almost same quality option. Which is why they chose mpeg2 video in order to be able to support the added features that you mentioned that DVD would support, not becuase of a dislike or low performance of mpeg1. Well obviously it didnt fly to well in the rest of world, which is why you dont see high support for it on DVD players. Nor do you see any or very few retailers that actually selling SVCDs. Very few AVERAGE consumers will by a DVD player based on SVCD support or not. Most are buying to play DVDs, not like us hobbyist who create VCDs/SVCDs.
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My argument here was that maybe some of the motivation behind choosing MPEG-2 for SVCD was to guarantee that people would never have a chance of playing SVCDs on a regular old VCD player that decodes only MPEG-1, or even on a PC perhaps. Yes I'm aware that MPEG-1 is a subset of MPEG-2 (rather, MPEG-2 is a superset of MPEG-1 because it was devised after MPEG-2, but that's just a matter of words...). If SVCD had become popular, and VCD had previously been popular, thats where they would make their money choosing MPEG-2. Say I've got all these VCDs, and now SVCDs are coming along. I have no hope of playing them on my regular VCD player, so I have to buy an SVCD player, and it will also play my old VCD movies. Another thing to think about is wasn't just about selling players, but the encoders too. The content producers have to spend money on new encoders for MPEG-2. If they had stuck with MPEG-1, but gone VBR, yeah you'd probably need a new encoder, but they can justify a higher price if they've got some "great new technology" to push with it.

If they wanted to keep cost low with the design of SVCD, why not just use 480x480 VBR MPEG-1? or some other MPEG-1 resolution...I don't think either of us know enough about the details of the bit streams to answer that question, but I'm just saying that I'm willing to bet that money making had a lot more to do with it than the quality and benefits of choosing MPEG-2 over MPEG-1.

You were defending MPEG-2 at low (say 2500kbit for SVCD) birtates because thats what the SVCD standard was. I'm saying that just because it's the standard, it's not the best way to get the job done.

[SatStorm]

Most of the satellite DVB transmissions are mpeg 2, 528 X 576 with bitrate about 2200....
There is a PORN channel, X-zone (astra 1g, 19.2 east, encoded to Seca - Mediaguard) which is 720 X 576 mpeg 2 with a bitrate never more 1500 and looks great! And you all know what kind of bitrate, Hardcore PORN scenes needs...
People say mpeg 1 is better than mpeg 2 is silly.
They are equal on all matters!
Mpeg 2 looks better if you use interlace output on TVs, while you need progressive output to PCs....

TMPGenc is a great encoder, but it is not the perfect solution for mpeg 2 encoding. Use Cinemacraft and you will see the HUGE difference!

Examble: If you grabb the DVB stream from VH1 European (Astra 1G satellite, 19.2 East, Encoded to seca/viaccess/cryptoworks), you get a perfect 33 min xSVCD like file for on a 80min CD.
If you try to re - encode it with tmpgenc to anything mpeg 2, the result sucks!!!! I know, I try to make a good template to publish it on VCDhelp months now, and the results sucks! (if you compare them with the original stream). TMPGenc distroy the quality at all! And I am not a newbie... My avis are perfect with cinemacraft, on smaller bitrates...
The newest TMPGenc 2.5 is better the older versions, but CVD 352 X 576, 2 pass vbr (min1200, av23500,max 2650) for example and different mpeg gop than the presets, the quality is far lower the grabbed stream! It is TMPGenc for sure!.
Don't use the results of a encoder to proove the world you are right! It is stupid!

Think also the Mp3 scene. There are many wav2mp3 encoders. There are huge differences between them!

The real true is that Mpeg 2 is EQUAL with mpeg 1 at ANY bitrate and any resolution. For TV, mpeg 2 supports Interlace and that is the huge difference for quality.
while mpeg 1 encoders are plenty and there are great, for mpeg 2 we have FEW solutions, and those are not so good!
If you want to see what mpeg 2 is capable of, look the satellite transmissions! Full Pal, VBR, Low bitrates ~2200!!!! Look the german FTA channels, there are excellent examples!!! Some of them are even 352 X 576!!!

One more thing: Mpeg 2 is the future, while mpeg 1 is the past. Let's all try make (and find ways) to make our mpeg 2 look better... DVD-R is coming. We gonna keep do mpeg 1 with DVD-Rs?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SatStorm on 2002-01-07 05:17:59 ]</font>

[Kdiddy]

"If SVCD had become popular, and VCD had previously been popular, thats where they would make their money choosing MPEG-2. Say I've got all these VCDs, and now SVCDs are coming along. I have no hope of playing them on my regular VCD player, so I have to buy an SVCD player, and it will also play my old VCD movies. Another thing to think about is wasn't just about selling players, but the encoders too. The content producers have to spend money on new encoders for MPEG-2. If they had stuck with MPEG-1, but gone VBR, yeah you'd probably need a new encoder, but they can justify a higher price if they've got some "great new technology" to push with it. "

Where have you seen a DVD player tha supports SVCD but NOT VCD...I have yet to see this kind of player, Im speaking of DVD players that are capable of VCD/SVCD...not standalone VCD players. Also, most mpeg2 encoders offer mpeg1 enocding as well, see TMPG or CCE, so the idea of mpeg2 being sold to fade out mpeg1 is not logical.

[SatStorm]

SVCD is not supported for political issues....
That is the reason DVD standalones don't support it

All the "made in China", "Taiwan", "Korea", etc standalone players, play with no probs SVCD and CVDs
All the made in Japan or "based in japan" standalones, don't support the issue.
US market is most Japan related. In Europe we have more solutions
In Europe, almost all the new DVD players support SVCD, don't mention -X-SVCDs
Do yourself a test: Go to the DVD standalone list, and see what you can find from there in the us market...
Nothing, only well know companies: Panasonic, Sony, Hitachi, Shart, Aiwa, etc.... Apex is the only alternative

Think Global, not Local!
The answers are never hidden on local questions...

[bilbogod]

Sticking to the thread, has anyone actually got that template from Shizzzon yet???

[Kdiddy]

No they havent, because I believe he wants to charge money for his template.

[Macros746]

This whole this is better than this arguement is, and always has been, silly. SVCD and VCD are each great in their own areas of expertise. I usually do very high quality VCDs but the other day I wanted to do a perfect rip of City of Lost Children...a French film with english subtitles. It seemed to be a no brainer that SVCD would be easier for this purpose. But when I just want a simple no nonsense rip that looks (more or less) as good as a DVD on my standard crappy 20' TV I do VCD...it takes less time and will run on anything. So, once more, ONE format is not clearly better than the other period! They are both great. So stop fighting girls you're both pretty.

Macros

[bilbogod]

I can tell people have lost the plot on this thread
The template is currently free providing you go through Shizzzons IM on AOL and request it. Not being a seasoned expert I think its better if one of you other arm chair generals scrutinise it
p.s. I think he's offline at the moment but keep trying periodically.

[sean madison]

Yea, im at school right now, but i will be home at 1:30 and i will turn my server back on and AIM back on.

I have a good reason why my server was down yesterday.
People were complaining that when dl-ing movies, music, etc... off of my website, when they try to resume later on, it would start dl all over.
I got an email from the company from whom i got the free server and they told me why it wasnt resuming.
I need someone to test it out and IM me or email me and tell me if its working or not.

Oh, and one more thing. I notice that this thread has become an SVCD mega quality ring so let me ask yall something.
Anyone here dl movies by CTP, TFE, Legion-VCD, Freedom, or TEG-VCD?
If quality is such a high, what do u think about these?
Of course the quality isnt dvd, its either a camera, vhs, or telecine(asof yet to figure out what the hell that is).

Anyways, all my guides are done to better these quality movies.
I do not get into dvd ripping yet cuz i dont have a dvd rom. I plan on gettin one soon, like a 16x for $40.

Anyways, give some feedback bout what u think about quality of those movies.

Oh, one more thing-
My guide is going to be emailed to baldrick today with a licensing agreement.
This is a true guide as it corresponds to standard specs so it must look profesional.

Inside, it will have an introduction to vcd\svcd\xvcd\xsvcd and their differences, who am I?, F.A.Q., troubleshooting, and method of making the new vcd format.
The new SVCD format will NEVER be submitted to vcdhelp or EVER retrieved freely by me.
There is, in the guide, my full name and location of where I live.
If you want the new Standard SVCD format, Mail, not email, but mail me a letter with your email address on it and $5. It can either be cash or check. If its a check, just make it out to me, NOT PzN. If you make it out to PzN, i will never cash it and you will never receive your guide.
I will keep in touch with you thru AIM or MSN messenger only, once your letter has been mailed.
Once it has delivered, i will immediately EMAIL you the guide on how to do it along with its own F.A.Q. and troubleshooting tips.

Once your money has been sent, there is NO refund.
The reason is simple, once u get the guide, you have it!
there is no just deleting it, i'm not stupid.
I will make sure that this works for you, Operating System wise and speed wise.

[vitualis]

I consider this SPAM.

DO NOT SPAM ON THIS FORUM.

I'm not stupid either. For all you newbies:

• the only way you can fit your 2 hour movie onto ONE CD is by reducing the bitrate
• to do so on a VCD = XVCD and is not compliant and will not work on many players
• to do so on a SVCD (without changing framesize) will pull the framerate so low that the quality will very likely be inferior to even VCD (in terms of perceptible MPEG artificing)
• if you change the framesize on the SVCD = XSVCD and is not compliant and will not work on many players

Regards.

[sean madison]

OK virtualis, another disbeliever.
What gets me about you and some others is i even put up a sample for you to dl and test just to PROVE that this method is new and official which is called VCD-X and SVCD-X made by ShiZZZoN.

If u dont believe me, then understand this then dl the sample.
VCD standard- 1min=10mb
SVCD standard- 1min~20mb

Once u agree on that which is TRUE!, u can dl my clip
It is SVCD-X Standard, 1 min=7.01MB
Now the quality on this wasnt meant to be perfected at the time, i was in a hurry making this. If u want good quality, i'll take the time to prove that too.
Wait another 2 hrs 20 min, i'll be home from college.

Then i'll turn my server back on and let u dl sample and prove it.
Its not SPAM.
OVer 15 people have emialed me and IMed me saying this works fine in their dvd player which only supports vcd\svcd standard and again, if thats not good enough, dl the sample when i get home.

I'm not trying to offend anyone here but i think the people who disbelieve this since they never dl the sample is a cause of jealousy.
Just quit being hardheaded people.
This NEW format is as compatible as standard vcd\svcd and is the new format of the future for us who back up stuff until of course we get dvd players that read divX or wait until they finally crack the xbox and they send me that cd image so i can play DivX on the XboX

[next]

All this from somebody who doesn't know what "telecine" is. Amazing. And may get a DVD Rom soon.

It's a ripoff. I d/l'd the clip and it blows. Blocks all over the place.

[Kdiddy]

"If you want the new Standard SVCD format, Mail, not email, but mail me a letter with your email address on it and $5. It can either be cash or check. If its a check, just make it out to me, NOT PzN. If you make it out to PzN, i will never cash it and you will never receive your guide. "

Dude this is soooooooooooo lame and tacky to actually charge people for a template. You are as bad as those that actually try to charge for a crap ass divx guide. I will say this though, buyer beware, and whatever dumbasses you get to actually pay for this template, send them my way, I got a round trip ticket to mars to sell them as well.

[VidGuy]

Geez, there's nothing special about this thing....
128 kbit audio,
480 x 480
790 kbit avg, 1360 peak (I should note that the 790 avg
is probably not quite right because Teco's bitrate viewer
underestimates the bitrate of 3:2 pulldown video, so the
actual bitrate used was somewhat higher).

I've done this kind of thing many times with CCE, but
you get much better quality at this low bitrate by
dropping to 352 x 480 (which is still a legal SVCD).
You'll also get decent quality doing a VBR MPeg-1, which
I think is also a legal SVCD (I don't remember whether SVCD
HAS to be MPeg-2 or not).





<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: VidGuy on 2002-01-09 11:52:09 ]</font>

[kv5]

Why dont you make a Decent quality clip for the people of this forum to down-load (It should'nt take much more than half an hour to do... DVD rip ?) and then perhaps you may be taken a little more seriously ? - I dont wish to sound patronising (!*#?) but there is only a handfull of people that actualy managed to D/Load the clip from your site ( Server Hang-Up! ) and in total honesty....... It does leave alot to be desired (As you have already pointed out - A RUSH JOB! ) take the time to make a descent quality clip using your template (SVCD X) - I look foward to it

Paul - UK

[d4n13l]

What will you do when your guide and template gets made available for free download somewhere else?

[Guyver]

I allready told him there was no way that his 'copy protection' wouldn't get cracked but he thinks there must be a way.

I still think it's strange that someone would try to make money on something like this. And yes the testfile worked on my standalone but the people here are right, if you even expect to see one dime from anyone ever you'd better make at least one good quality sample

[adam]

Of course this test file works, it is nothing more than a svcd. It does not deviate from the standard at all, it just uses an ultra low bitrate. I honestly don't understand the point of this thread, this is not a new format. If you had used mpeg1 it would simply be an xvcd but in either case this is nothing new. Everyone knows that if you lower the bitrate you can fit more of your movie onto a disk. It doesnt matter that his source is low quality or that he encoded it numerous times, with an avg bitrate of 700kbits per sec I guarantee that the output is going to look like crap no matter what your encoding process is, especially with a resolution this high.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but it appears that all you did was lower your bitrate and in the case of Vcd-X, used vbr with mpeg1. Not only is this nothing new but for the vast majority of people this will produce quality which is simply not acceptable. Regardless of the usefullness of this "template," legally there is no way you can make money off of this. Your format is simply a derivation of the vcd and svcd formats and your template is simply a collection of settings for a program which you did not create.

Vidguy svcds requires that the resolution be either 480x480 or 480x576. 352x480 is not a compliant resolution for svcd, however a disk in this resolution may conform to the cvd standard which is backward compatible with svcd players, so yes it will still play on your standalone player but it will not be a svcd. Also Svcds only support mpeg2. If you use vbr with mpeg1 than you are making an xvcd and it will not be guaranteed to play on your dvd player.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: adam on 2002-01-09 13:37:09 ]</font>

[d4n13l]

How this kid has the audacity to think that he should charge for what he got for free, is beyond me. All this pathetic "new rainbow book standard movie format" does is compromise the ultimate quality of the movie to make it fit onto one CDR. Like *WOW*, big deal.
What does he do to sweeten the "deal"?
His own words...
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Mmmm, all that sounds EXACTLY like what this site can tell you, for FREE.
Kid, if you want a little extra money, get a paper round. I suggest that you just stop spewing bullshit like this in an attempt to earn some bucks of the back of this site (and the FREEWARE that your "guide" uses) at the expense of newbies.
And if he thinks "there must be a way" not to redistribute his "guide" then he is sadly mistaken.
There is a hint of hypocrisy here: It seems OK for him to distribute cracked software like what he has available on his site, but he thinks that he can stop a TEXT file being redistributed! ROTFLMAO. Kid, those people that make the software you redistribute for free, lose MILLIONS through it - You think a lousy ass text file will not be able to be redistributed for free? If that is your belief than I can only put it down to that you smoke too much dope. In fact, it wouldnt surprise me if you did, I mean look at your claims in this thread!
Lets review one of your claims:
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...the quality of this new format is same quality as if there were in true SVCD standard
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Dude, it seems as though the more knowledgable here have ripped you a new ******* regarding this. All you are doing is compromising the quality, period.
You blame it on the source video.
OK, tell me, do you have ANY high quality material? If not, then how can you make claims that it looks as good as "true SVCD"? Your clip sucks; crap in crap out, no matter what bitrate. Trust me, your "NEW Rainbow Book Standard Movie Format" compared to a decent SVCD will suck, so leave the ludicrous claims at the login.

I will tell you all what - If he does try to sell this, then I, jacKKKa$$ from PzN(tm), will make it available for free download and if anyone wants to help me then they are welcome.
After all, he cant complain if I do this, it seems OK for him to do it to others.

Sorry dude, but when you try to sell this shit to naive newbies, you are gonna get ripped.
Newbies - Note what the experts(not me) here have made of this "new" format and make for the "back" button on your browser if you were considering paying money to this joker.

Credability.
Lets look at the questions he initialy asked us(yeah, us!) in this thread:
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I need to know 2 things, (2nd question should be an easy one)
1- how will i be able to blow up res from 352x240 or 352x288 to 480x480 without quality loss?
I know CBR doesnt work since it makes blocks majorly but i notice when using CQ, it does better, is this what i should use?
2nd question- i know 480x480 is NTSC standard svcd res, what is pals?
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LMAO.
Now, even I know the answers to all of those questions and I am no expert so what does this tell you about how much this kid really knows?
So much for him "doing the impossible" (low bitrate SVCD) and being a "Video Performance Master"! I mean he even has the audacity to ask US what type of bitrate to use, then he tries to charge us for it!
Like I said, make use of that "back" button in your browser ... or even better just click here:
www.dvdrhelp.com/phpBB/index.php

[pinoy2201]

you make me luagh kid try to sell a template that is only anther form of an XVCD...and i know why you are not posting your SVCD-X guide becuase it is just bullshit becuase there is no way that a odinary person like yuo with a simple computer can compress a mpeg 2 file upto 7mbs if this is true then your "SVCD-X" is just crap in quality and i waste of time soo please stop with this nosence and quit selling a FREEWARE....

[KennyC]

Hi,

Remember what people were saying when there was talk about reducing a .WAV audio file by say 10x, impossible they said, then came along .MP3 format.

Your template may work, hell send it to me to test, it won't go any further, but Kid, you are 100% wrong in using a public forum to profit from trying to sell a template from knowledge/experience obtained from within, you should be banned, I'll tell your MUMMY on you.

Shame, shame on you.

[d4n13l]

There is no analogy there.
.wav is essentially uncompressed audio.
MPEG however is already very compressed video.
If someone said "I can compress your uncompressed AVI to 10 times as small", I would believe them.
SVCD is already compressed video, all this guy's guide does is to dispose of some (a lot) of the video information (with a text file template) that a true SVCD would otherwise have. This happens at the expense of qualty, which has been stated by 3 moderators now. At the end of the day it is just low bitrate MPEG video and at bitrates THAT low, no way would it be a patch on a decent SVCD which he is fraudulantly claiming it is the same as. Perhaps superior encoding techniques would help quality, but the same quality with bitrates THAT low just aint happening.

Look at it like this.
It is wrong to come to this forum/site and gather info from other people for free and then to try and sell what is essentially a low bitrate template for a freeware encoder. Not only that, but this kid has warez available for download at his own site, but thinks that he should make his text file uncopyable so others cant host it for free.
He is trying to make money off the back of VCDhelp and it's members at the expense of newbies. Not only that, but he makes bullshit claims that his "new format" is the SAME quality as a decent SVCD, when he doesnt even have a good sample to make a comparison with! He has not even seen a comparison himself! Its not *even* a new format!
That in my book amounts to ripping people off.
If he just gave it to VCDhelp then I would be cool, but this just takes the piss.



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: d4n13l on 2002-01-09 16:30:48 ]</font>

[Sefy]

I don't wanna barge in, but this new Rainbow Book Standard, is it recognised by Philips ? or any major company ? after all, for a standard to pick up, it has to be a known standard, you can't just declare one, it goes through alot of procedures.

[menace]

As an official newbie (signed on today) I have read all the posts up to this point and am trying to gleam out of it, a more efficient way to encode VCD's. It seems to me that I'm the only newbie in the newbie conversion forum!!! I mean you guys are using terms that I'm only just beginning to understand. And as far as buying this lame-ass guide to this revolutionary process--Newbie does not equal stupid
For all those actually contributing real information--Thanks a bunch, this site is by far better for it.

Now, with that aside--sum it up--whats the best settings for livable quality (not crap, not perfect) with best use of space.

[WildParadise]

you wanna sell this?? damn they should block access to this site for you, everything you learn on any site, you paid for it? wtf, and now that YOU can give back, you decide to SELL back, this is so damn, funny, i'll continue using two cd, I think paying for a great product (A CD-R) is better than paying for scam that is supposed if working to help people.

[d4n13l]

"Now, with that aside--sum it up--whats the best settings for livable quality (not crap, not perfect) with best use of space."

The subjectivity of quality.
Basically, what you have asked is an open ended question and there is no real answer. Only *opinions*.
My favorite colour is blue, but you may prefer red: Which is the "better" colour? Neither.
If you are going to learn one thing from this thread then let it be this - This "revolutionary process" (actually is nothing "new" as the experts here have said) will produce poor quality video for *most* people. All it does is to use a lower bitrate to fit the video onto one CDR. A good encoding technique may aid the quality, but with bitrates that low, the quality will not be there. The person that started this thread claimed that it is equal quality to that of high bitrate SVCD, though he has not even tested this fairly yet. Look at what the experts have made of his claims (vitualis and adam).
It is general consensus that you need 2 80min CDRs to get "good" quality from an average DVD rip. For a good 90 min film, 2 80min CDRs would give quality equal to that of S-VHS, (maybe even a little better) with barely noticable macro blocks in an average high motion scene. Use 1 CD and the quality will suck (but some people would rather not to bother changing the disks half way through and have the quality suck for it!).
But, like I said, that is only opinion.
You will have to try it for yourself to find out what you personally prefer.

BTW, this "Newbie Conversion" forum was only created a few days ago, it used to be called just "Converision". Baldrick created a new "Advanced Conversion" forum, which this thread should really be in. But it started off before the single "conversion" forum split.

[menace]

Thanks D4n13l-thats all i really needed to know--I'm just converting downloaded 1/2 hr programs so I'll just up the bit rates to fill 1 VCD at a time with a couple of episodes. Am I correct in thinking that normally people who solicit money in these forums are either burned or banned? This shizzzon guy should definitely be burned--if we have to put up with being solicited for crap just to get some expert advice, I think I'll pass--years of sci-fi(B5) have taught me that some things come with too high a price...

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[d4n13l]

It is the first time that I have heard of anyone on these forums trying to charge for something as lame as this.
He is not even an expert (look at the questions he asked us in this thread!). All he is trying to sell is a text file that tells you some settings for a freeware encoder. After you do some encodes of your own, you will realise that what he is trying to sell is just nothing you cant get from this site for free. The other stuff in his "guide", I bet is just modified text taken from this site.

Dont ever think you should have to pay for what he is trying to sell. In fact, dont ever think that you should have to pay for any information like that. I learnt everything I know for free from this site, not from jackass kids in the forum trying to make a quick buck. If you want to know something, just ask in the forum, it is free and you will get much better information.