New CPU what should i buy?

[dnmnbg]

okay thinking of buying a new CPU b/c my current PC is to slow to do video capture(capturing stuff on my desktop/screen capture) and video editing. Basically i want to use my PC for capturing video of my desktop games and other stuff . Also want something that will make my programs work fast when i start to re-encode all my anime and movies ....The problem im having is that i have no clues on what to buy or what my PC can handle/limit. So basically looking for other people opinion and know how atm cause i don't really understand this part of the PC or what G Hertz is what it does

MY PC Specs
What it looks like
http://www.shopping.com/xGS-28244524...kin_id-6019813
P4M800 <- whats it say s on the mother board

From my System Info page
Windows Xp 32bit Service Pack 3
2.00GH Genuine Intel Processor
1.25 gigs ram
AGP 256 mb ATI Radeon 9550/X1059 series graphic Card
1 x 55gb Harddrive main Harddrive
1 X 320 gb Harddive
1 X 1tb hardrive


the processor i get i want to be in the 0 - $110 price range

Some sites i looked
http://hardcoreware.shopping.com/xPP...kin_id-7000833

Not sure if this one works with my type of mother board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...AMD-_-19103244

http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CPU

Should i get a dual core,quad or just get a processor with more power?

[disturbed1]

From you description of parts, you have a motherboard with the Via P4M800 chipset. This chipset was used on both socket 478 and socket 775 motherboards. A CPU has a socket type. A socket 775 CPU will not fit in a socket 478 motherboard. There are adapters, but that makes it even more confusing, because they do not work with all motherboards and all cpus, and even if you find the magic combo, it's really a waste of time and money

If you have a socket 478 motherboard - short answer, get a new motherboard and CPU. Upgrading the CPU on a socket 478 motherboard is (IMO) not a wise investment. You can get a decent motherboard for ~$50.

If you have a socket 775 motherboard - purchase the fastest cpu for your $110. Newegg has the Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz for ~$120 right now.

You can not use an AMD CPU in a motherboard designed for Intel CPU's. Different sockets, chipsets .................

If you wanted to go with AMD, the AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz is a smoking deal @ ~ $87. This CPU is slightly slower than the ~$150 Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz. Buying that AMD CPU would also need a new motherboard.

[dnmnbg]

an way of telling which socket i have i mean if i opened it up and tok the cpu out would it tell me ?or should i look in system info?

[disturbed1]

http://www.cpuid.com/
http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

[dnmnbg]

ok used cpuid and it turned out 478 chipset ...are u sure there wouldnt be any significance in getting a cpu for this kind of motherboard? i m ean just want it to run fatser better i dont do extreme gaming. just want something that will help with my intention screen caturing and playing games and encoding movies..

[disturbed1]

Encoding movies is far more CPU intensive than any game could ever be.

It is your PC. A $110 socket 478 CPU will not match the performance of a $50 socket 775 CPU. Socket 478 does not have dual core cpus. You will still have a slow machine - faster than your current setup yes.

The only benchmark I could quickly find that puts an old 478 CPU vs. newer CPUs.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Celeron+E1400+%40+2.00GHz

The $50 Celeron scores 1.072 - the socket 478 3.2GHz scores 508

[redwudz]

You could look into a Micro-ATX motherboard and at least you wouldn't have to replace the video card. You will need new RAM memory, but your hard drives and optical drives should be fine, along with the case, if it's adaptable to a different motherboard. RAM is fairly cheap at present.

You just can't squeeze much performance out of a old motherboard, even with a faster CPU. The rest of the hardware will limit you most times. You might get a 10 -20 percent or maybe more boost, but upgrading the motherboard and CPU and RAM will give you a much better speed increase and a better value for the money spent.

[jagabo]

Upgrading from a 2 GHz P4 or Celeron to a 3+ GHz P4 will give you significant improvement in video encoding speed. Socket 478 CPUs are getting hard to find but here's one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116027

You will need a big fan/heatsink to go with it. You might need a BIOS update, a bigger PSU, and more case fans too. It's really to the point where a new computer makes more sense.

[ocgw]

okay thinking of buying a new CPU b/c my current PC is to slow to do video capture(capturing stuff on my desktop/screen capture) and video editing. Basically i want to use my PC for capturing video of my desktop games and other stuff . Also want something that will make my programs work fast when i start to re-encode all my anime and movies ....The problem im having is that i have no clues on what to buy or what my PC can handle/limit. So basically looking for other people opinion and know how atm cause i don't really understand this part of the PC or what G Hertz is what it does

MY PC Specs
What it looks like
http://www.shopping.com/xGS-28244524...kin_id-6019813
P4M800 <- whats it say s on the mother board

From my System Info page
Windows Xp 32bit Service Pack 3
2.00GH Genuine Intel Processor
1.25 gigs ram
AGP 256 mb ATI Radeon 9550/X1059 series graphic Card
1 x 55gb Harddrive main Harddrive
1 X 320 gb Harddive
1 X 1tb hardrive


the processor i get i want to be in the 0 - $110 price range

Some sites i looked
http://hardcoreware.shopping.com/xPP...kin_id-7000833

Not sure if this one works with my type of mother board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...AMD-_-19103244

http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=CPU

Should i get a dual core,quad or just get a processor with more power?

Yeah, save your dough man until you can afford a nice upgrade imho

ocgw

peace

[DarrellS]

Or get the 3 Ghz P4 at newegg for $80 and then save for a better machine.

I Bought a Q6600 and Gigabyte MB with P35 chipset when my socket 478 MB fried over a year ago but decided to get the P4M900 MB for my 3.2 P4 as a backup computer. $80 isn't going to break the bank and will be a major improvement over the 2 Ghz CPU. Not as much as a quad core but you'll spend over $600 for for a half azz decent build.

[budz]

save up your money and upgrade by buying a low end Intel quad core cpu, mobo, video card and ram.

[blinky88]

I just upgraded my P4 2.0g CPU to a P4 Northwood 3.0 dual processor, socket 478. Picked up the new CPU on eBay for AU$45 delivered, should be cheaper in the USA.

I'm happy with it, maybe not the fastest but plenty fast enough for me.

[deadrats]

@dnmnbg

don't take this the wrong way, but from your post it sounds to me like you should not be attempting to upgrade your pc on your own, anyone that thinks they can just drop a new cpu into a socket 478 equipped motherboard or even better, actually thinks that their motherboard is using a 478 chipset (<--no such thing) doesn't have the technical knowledge to perform a pc upgrade on their own, there's more than a good chance that you would damage any new hardware you bought trying to install it.

if you are absolutely sure that you are comfortable performing an upgrade you will need at least a motherboard/cpu combo + new ram, you can pick up a nice x3 720 + am3 motherboard for about $200 + $100 for some good ddr3.

no matter which way you look at it a minimum of $300 is how much it will cost to properly upgrade your pc.

[blinky88]

Forgot to mention, I stayed away from the Prescott chip as they run very hot, here's a link to a socket 478 3.2g Northwood on eBay for <$40, delivery free. Keep in mind, your M/B has to have an 800 FSB.

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-P4-3-2-GHZ-512-800-HT-Socket-478-PC-CPU-SL6WG_W0QQitemZ160340770441QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C omponents?hash=item25550dfe89&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 &_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|240%3A1 318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

[jagabo]

Forgot to mention, I stayed away from the Prescott chip as they run very hot, here's a link to a socket 478 3.2g Northwood on eBay for <$40, delivery free. Keep in mind, your M/B has to have an 800 FSB.

http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-P4-3-2-GHZ-512-800-HT-Socket-478-PC-CPU-SL6WG_W0QQitemZ160340770441QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C omponents?hash=item25550dfe89&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 &_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|240%3A1 318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

Note that is a hyperthreaded CPU, not a dual core.

[blinky88]

Hi jagabo,

Funny you should mention dual core, from what I've been told the single core is the faster chip. I happened to buy the H/T dual core Northwood 3g thinking the dual core would be faster, it would seem .... I goofed, didn't do my homework.

Many members are suggesting new board, new CPU, new GPU etc. has anyone given thought to he simply wants an upgrade not a new computer, times are tough .... he also said he wasn't into heavy gaming.

Cheers.

[blinky88]

A couple of suggestions which may help increase the speed of your existing system.

DO THE FOLLOWING ON A REGULAR BASIS:

1. Windows>Prefetch>select all>DELETE.
2. CLEAR all contents of your web browser and unwanted e-mails.
3. DEFRAG.

You could also check the following:
Control Panel>System>Hardware>Devise Manager>IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers>Primary IDE Channel>Advanced Setting .... be sure the transfer mode is DMA not PIO.

Hope this helps.

[SingSing]

okay thinking of buying a new CPU b/c my current PC is to slow to do video capture(capturing stuff on my desktop/screen capture) and video editing.

From my System Info page
Windows Xp 32bit Service Pack 3
2.00GH Genuine Intel Processor
1.25 gigs ram
AGP 256 mb ATI Radeon 9550/X1059 series graphic Card
1 x 55gb Harddrive main Harddrive
1 X 320 gb Harddive
1 X 1tb hardrive

You really want to look into buying a newer motherboard, The MB you have now is most llikely DDR only.
Your PC is going to be slow until you update your MB and RAM to DDR2.

You most likely can't find anyone is going to argue or oppose this change.

[lacywest]

@dnmnbg

don't take this the wrong way, but from your post it sounds to me like you should not be attempting to upgrade your pc on your own, anyone that thinks they can just drop a new cpu into a socket 478 equipped motherboard or even better, actually thinks that their motherboard is using a 478 chipset (<--no such thing) doesn't have the technical knowledge to perform a pc upgrade on their own, there's more than a good chance that you would damage any new hardware you bought trying to install it.

if you are absolutely sure that you are comfortable performing an upgrade you will need at least a motherboard/cpu combo + new ram, you can pick up a nice x3 720 + am3 motherboard for about $200 + $100 for some good ddr3.

no matter which way you look at it a minimum of $300 is how much it will cost to properly upgrade your pc.

Im going to agree with ... deadrats thoughts ... one of reasons are the links you provided ... not one of them went to anything useful ... when I provide a link ... they will link up correctly ... if they dont ... I will delete it ... not going to look ... uhm ... bad.

What do I use ... I have a Abit AN-M2 mother board ... not available anymore ... getting hard to find them.

CPU is a AMD 4400+ ... runs at 2.2 GHZ Dual Core. Just recently upgraded to a AMD 5800+ ... but I cannot run it at 3GHZ because it is too freaking hot out here in the garage ... except after midnite. So in the Bios ... I've got the multiplier turned down.

If you go with AMD CPUs ... a mobo and CPU and new DDR 2 ram ... you could spend $200 bucks.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Brisbane 2.7GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103218

ASRock A780LM AM2+/AM2 AMD RS780L (760G) Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157153

If you go with a fast AMD CPU ... go with a good heatsink and fan

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185125

This is the fan I added to my system ... not difficult to addon ... and it did fit in my tower.
Does block the first two rows of ram slots [they stay cool ... lol] ... so put your ram in first.

If this sends you in the right direction ... next question to ask ... what AMD motherboard do the folks here use that wont be a dud when it arrives at your home. Seems like the folks with the reviews at NewEgg are filled with bad reviews. But how many boards are sold that are good of same type and only a few people get the duds.

NewEgg does have a good Return policy ... but it is a pain in the butt to take everything out and start over again.

Also ... do you have a friend who is a PC builder ... dont forget you will want some Artic silver 5 heatsink compound for mounting your heatsink to your CPU. Most heatsinks do have some stuff already there ... but most people scrape it off ... carefully .... and use Artic silver 5.

[ocgw]

If a mobo @ newegg is rated "5 eggs" and has been reviewed by over 100 folks you have a good chance of using that mobo w/o probs

if 500 customers have tried it and love it that is a "no brainer"

That's how I look @ it anyway

My mobo-GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P (all the new "2 ounce" Gigabyte mobos are server quality and great overclockers)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387&Tpk=GIGABYTE%20GA-MA790X-UD4P

Reviewed by 250 customers and rated excellent-to-good by 94% of purchasers

probably half of the other 6% don't know what they are talking about or don't know what they are doing, had unrealistic expectations, or broke the board themselves by improper handling

ocgw

peace

[budz]

Interesting the OP hasn't posted since June 22, 2009. Wonders what he decided on!

[deadrats]

Hi jagabo,

Funny you should mention dual core, from what I've been told the single core is the faster chip. I happened to buy the H/T dual core Northwood 3g thinking the dual core would be faster, it would seem .... I goofed, didn't do my homework.

there is no way you bought a hyperthreaded dual core northwood @ 3ghz, the first dual core hyperthreaded cpu was the 840 EE which was 2 prescott cores at 3.2 ghz.

Many members are suggesting new board, new CPU, new GPU etc. has anyone given thought to he simply wants an upgrade not a new computer, times are tough .... he also said he wasn't into heavy gaming.

Cheers.

i did consider that, did you consider that more than likely, based on what he's posted, his pc is an oem, perhaps a compaq or a dell and as such it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to upgrade the pc as he would like to. for one thing most oem's usually use proprietary bios' that prevent just dropping in a new cpu, or at least that used to be the case.

as a matter of fact many oem's used to use proprietary power connections on their motherboards and in some cases the mounting holes are placed in non-standard locations on the board (compaq used to be infamous for these 2 practices) so that you couldn't upgrade anything the motherboard or cpu unless you went through them.

it's like he's asking to upgrade the cam on his engine without regard to lifters, valves, intake, timing or chip reprogramming.

in short, fat chance.

[blinky88]

Hi there deadrats,

Why would you say> there is no way you bought a hyperthreaded dual core northwood @ 3ghz, the first dual core hyperthreaded cpu was the 840 EE which was 2 prescott cores at 3.2 ghz.

The Intel Pentium P4 3.0Ghz/512/800Mhz FSB Socket 478 SL6WK does have dual processors, it also has 30 capacitors on one side.

[jagabo]

No, it's a single core hyperthreaded CPU. It looks like two processors to the O/S and applications but it is one core pretending to be two. You can only squeeze about 10 percent more performance out of it compared to the non-hyperthreaded equivalent.

[deadrats]

Hi there deadrats,

Why would you say> there is no way you bought a hyperthreaded dual core northwood @ 3ghz, the first dual core hyperthreaded cpu was the 840 EE which was 2 prescott cores at 3.2 ghz.

The Intel Pentium P4 3.0Ghz/512/800Mhz FSB Socket 478 SL6WK does have dual processors, it also has 30 capacitors on one side.

simple really, saying you bought a hyperthreaded dual core P4 means that you claim to have a cpu with 2 cores and each core is capable of handling 2 threads each, for a total of 4 threads. if you did indeed have a hyperthreaded dual core processor then your task manager would show 4 graphs and your device manager would show 4 cores: 2 physical ones and 2 virtual ones.

intel did make a couple of hyperthreaded dual core processors, but they did not use northwood cores they used 2 prescott cores or as intel named it, "smithfield". the first such processor was the 840 EE which was eventually replaced with the 955 EE and the 965 EE.

the main difference between the northwood P4's and the prescott P4's is that the northwoods only had 512kb of L2 cache and the prescotts had 1mb L2. in addition the northwoods had a 20 stage pipeline and the prescotts had a 31 stage pipeline.

now intel is planning on releasing another hyperthreaded dual core processor, the clarkdale, which also features and integrated gpu, pcie controller, and memory controller, but that isn't due out until the end of this year.

[lacywest]

If a mobo @ newegg is rated "5 eggs" and has been reviewed by over 100 folks you have a good chance of using that mobo w/o probs

if 500 customers have tried it and love it that is a "no brainer"

That's how I look @ it anyway

My mobo-GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4P (all the new "2 ounce" Gigabyte mobos are server quality and great overclockers)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387&Tpk=GIGABYTE%20GA-MA790X-UD4P

Reviewed by 250 customers and rated excellent-to-good by 94% of purchasers

probably half of the other 6% don't know what they are talking about or don't know what they are doing, had unrealistic expectations, or broke the board themselves by improper handling

ocgw

peace

109 bucks ... that is too bad ... better to get something that works ... and its ATX too ... more pci slots to work with

[lacywest]

Hi jagabo,

Funny you should mention dual core, from what I've been told the single core is the faster chip. I happened to buy the H/T dual core Northwood 3g thinking the dual core would be faster, it would seem .... I goofed, didn't do my homework.

there is no way you bought a hyperthreaded dual core northwood @ 3ghz, the first dual core hyperthreaded cpu was the 840 EE which was 2 prescott cores at 3.2 ghz.

Many members are suggesting new board, new CPU, new GPU etc. has anyone given thought to he simply wants an upgrade not a new computer, times are tough .... he also said he wasn't into heavy gaming.

Cheers.

i did consider that, did you consider that more than likely, based on what he's posted, his pc is an oem, perhaps a compaq or a dell and as such it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to upgrade the pc as he would like to. for one thing most oem's usually use proprietary bios' that prevent just dropping in a new cpu, or at least that used to be the case.
as a matter of fact many oem's used to use proprietary power connections on their motherboards and in some cases the mounting holes are placed in non-standard locations on the board (compaq used to be infamous for these 2 practices) so that you couldn't upgrade anything the motherboard or cpu unless you went through them.

it's like he's asking to upgrade the cam on his engine without regard to lifters, valves, intake, timing or chip reprogramming.

in short, fat chance.

Pertaining to what I highlighted up above ... I agree ... I have a Dell GX280 with Intel Celeron in it ... I took it out and put in a Pentium instead that ran faster ... did everything to make it work okay ... I even changed the heatsink to compensate for the higher speed.

When it booted up ... message popped up ... saying the CPU was not compatible ... crap ... my only guess was the bios has specific instructions for only a Celeron inside it and not the faster Pentiums ... both CPUs were ... Socket 775 processors

[lacywest]

now intel is planning on releasing another hyperthreaded dual core processor, the clarkdale, which also features and integrated gpu, pcie controller, and memory controller, but that isn't due out until the end of this year.

That sounds interesting ... I would like to see how that goes

[lacywest]

Something else I did ... last year I bought about 5 ACER AST 180 pcs from Dealtree on Ebay.

Of all of them ... one of them ... was screwed up big time ... power leads from power supply were cut and messed with.

I thought if I repaired the wires on it ... it would work again. Didn't work ... still messed up. So okay mother board is screwed up.

So I salvaged the AMD 4400+ CPU from it ... took it to my bathroom and gave it a cleaning. When I took the CPU off ... the heatsink compound looked strange ... the pattern of the compound looked different after removing the heatsink from other CPUs I have removed.

So I am cleaning the CPU and decided to look closely at the pins [ I am nearsighted and can see very close with my glasses off].

Oh my gawd ... about 10 pins were bent ... FUBAR ... to the max ... some had been bent 180 degree angles.


I dont think I can use a mechanical pencil with the lead removed to bend those pins back ... not quite 180 degree angles but definitely bent down as far as possible.

I do believe some dude wanted to return this PC and went to great pains to make sure this happened.

Anyways ... I now believe the motherboard can be used over again.

What I wanted to say is ... I took the motherboard out and put instead a ABit AN-M2 MATX and that PC is working again ... I had to get another CPU for it ... but its working ... again.

I had already replaced the motherboard when I found the pins bent on the cpu ... should have checked it first but who would have guessed that someone would go to that much trouble to screw up this computer.

Hmm ... thoughts are going through my mind ... I wonder with a really good magnify lense on a workbench and a sharp pair of sewing needles ... could I fix it ........ or just spend 40 bucks at Newegg and say ... F%&*#K it ... LOL.

Hmm ... guess I wont ... NewEgg is not selling it anymore ... oh I know I can buy one at Ebay ... someone is selling them for $89 dollars plus another 10 bucks to ship it to you ... golly ... what a deal ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-ADO4400IAA5DO-ATHLON64-X2-4400-2-3GHZ-SKT-AM2-CPU_W0QQcmdZView...lenotsupported

P.S. ... camera took picture with ... Olympus SP-510UZ ... with macro / flash ... edited and cropped with ACDSEE 5.0

[Nelson37]

What you want is some small flat screwdrivers and needlenose pliers. Use some old foam packing material to prevent sharp metal-to-metal contact. Try to support the solder joint while straightening the pin. Bend in small increments. Take several breaks, and take your time. Be gentle.