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Do unto others....with a vengeance!
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Sony thinks Blu-ray will overtake DVD in 2011:
http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080801PD200.html
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the only Blu-ray movies I own are those I got for free from the mail-in deal that came with my PS3...
And I didn't even keep all of them!
Your choices for the 5 free movies were quite limited, so I mainly picked those that I thought were "popular" and would net me the most trade-in value at the game store.
I've rented a few BD discs from netflix and am seriously underwhelmed by what I've seen.
Connected to a 1080i TV via HDMI.
BD is consistently inconsistent!
A few discs have looked quite good, but most are no better than DVD.
Why should I pay so much more for a BD release when it's not that much better than DVD?
BD is doomed to become the LaserDisc of the 21st century.
DVD destroyed VHS because it was a HUGE LEAP forward in terms of technology and quality.
BD on the other hand is only a small step compared to DVD...
When the BD releases come down in price I may consider buying, but probably not -- I really don't think the format has a viable future. Digital distribution may or may not kill BD, but whatever kills it won't have to work too hard to do it."To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
"Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!"
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This report doesn't surprise me,the PS3 is the only thing keeping Blu Ray alive.The PS3 makes up 90% of all BD players in homes.
http://www.dvdtown.com/news/forbes-how-sony-and-blu-ray-won-over-hd-dvd/5754
Disclosure:I own a BD player but I don't own any movies,I still buy HD DVD's because they are <$10USD.
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I own a Sony PS3 and I love the quality of Blu-Ray movies on my 1080i capable HDTV (which is a 51" 16x9 Hitachi CRT Rear Projection Unit).
I currently only own 4 movies in the Blu-Ray format (all of which were bought ... no freebies). I have so few at this point mostly because choice is very limited right now and also because I think the prices are a bit high for now as well. It doesn't help that my current job is low paying and that gas is so damn expensive and that I also have many other things I buy (video games, comic books, music on CD, etc.)
However I love 'em (my Blu-Ray purchases) and I intend to buy more and there is a lot of stuff coming to Blu-Ray by year's end that I am excited about.
Since I got my Sony PS3 in December of 2007 I have only bought 3 regular DVD Videos (titles not available and not likely to be available on Blu-Ray anytime soon) and although I've rented some regular DVD Videos I do try to rent Blu-Ray when it is available (I use NetFlix).
So to me regular DVD Video is already dead ... I'm just waiting for the rest of you all to catch up.
Mind you this comes from a person who bought a LaserDisc player in 1990 and attempted to buy/rent only LaserDiscs while doing my best to avoid buying/renting commercial VHS Videos as much as possible since that time.
- John "FulciLives" Coleman"The eyes are the first thing that you have to destroy ... because they have seen too many bad things" - Lucio Fulci
EXPLORE THE FILMS OF LUCIO FULCI - THE MAESTRO OF GORE
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Xylob...
Indicated above that he found the quality of BR to be inconsistent. Well, he's right but the same can be said for HDDVD and even DVDs themselves. Usually, you can tell the qual of the hi-def version by watching the DVD. If the DVD looks like junk, chances are that except for a few scenes, the hi-def version will also look like junk. I rented a bluray recently. I don't remember the name. It could have been the Sentinal, I don't know. But I do remember it began with a S. Anyway, the bluray version, in a number of scenes actually had macroblocks. It seemed more like a VCD or SVCD on my big screen.
On the other hand Blockbuster movies with big budgets usually look good on DVD. They look even better with an upscaling dvd player and they really are an experience on hi-def.
Whenever I think of picture quality, I always think of the directors comments from the movie 'The Island'. It had a scene in this large high ceilinged room. What I remember him saying was how much money he spent just to light that scene. I also remember how clear that scene was on DVD.
Tony
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Well you guys are complaining of the quality of Blu-Ray Movies and only own a 1080I HDTV. DUH, Blu-Ray is 1080P. I have a Sony 60" 1080P HDTV and a PS3 and the quality is great for both PS3 Games (example GTA IV) and BLu-Ray movies. I'm a member of Netflix and receive Blu-Ray movies over DVD at no extra cost. I never buy movies (DVD or Blu-Ray). I watch them once and once is enough.
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Yes Blu Ray is 1080p(as is HD DVD) but 1080i tv's still have the same resolution as 1080p tv's.The points about some Blu Ray titles looking like crap are valid,the same can be said about some HD DVD titles.Originally Posted by rcguy1
Those reports from so-called experts that say Blu Ray will surpass DVD by 2011 are rediculous,DVD's will be the number one choice of consumers(worldwide) for years to come.
Until player and media prices come down(and title selection goes up) there is no reason for the average consumer to upgrade to Blu Ray.
If a majority of consumers think the same way then Blu Ray is doomed,digital downloads will be popular with those who only watch movies once.I watch them once and once is enough
NetFlix will be streaming movies to the XBox 360 and the new LG BD300 this fall.
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This is often not true. 1080i displays are mostly CRTs. They usually don't have small enough a dot pitch to resolve the 1920x1080 resolution of a 1080i/p source. They often can only resolve about half that, 960x540. On the other hand 1080p LCD and Plasma displays can resolve all 1920x1080 pixels.Originally Posted by MOVIEGEEK
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I was reading some video industry trades this week, and there was heavy coverage of the BluRay symposiums at the recent ComicsCon which have some relevance to both BluRay and regular DVD. It seems the studios have done some in-depth research and discovered the majority interest in BluRay is the same demographic that would attend ComicsCon, i.e. a respectable but not huge market. And *within* that market, there is little to NO interest whatsoever in the "BD Live" and other gimmick features which caused all the delays and snafus at BluRays introduction. This tallies with the companion mass-market studies: the "special features" that were a boon at the launch of standard DVD are a total failure for BluRay and interest has waned for additional features on standard DVD as well. Apparently all the little extras on DVD were a compelling novelty for the mass market in the late '90s because they could finally see what the tiny LaserDisc fan base got to see, but now the thrill is gone and special features are just a drain on studio resources with no marketing value. Going forward, expect to see hardly any extras on standard DVD and limited implementation on BluRay.
Sheesh: there are benefits to mass acceptance of a format, but boy their indifference to the cool stuff can screw up a wet dream sometimes.
I'm not a particular fan of BluRay, and Sony certainly deserves a kick for their ill-conceived development process, but it's unfortunate that home video is about to become a duller experience. Most "bonus material" on DVDs is not that great, but the stuff that's good can be amazing. One of the best examples is Douglas Trumbull's 1972 sci-fi flick "Silent Running", a cheap catalog DVD from Universal and one of my "cult faves". The movie itself runs 90 mins, but the extras clock in at something like 8 hours! All of it is fascinating behind-the-scenes coverage made at the time of the film, which was a studio-sponsored experiment in "guerilla filmmaking". Would all of this intriguing historical material been put on a $13 DVD if Universal had research proving it had no compelling sales value? Probably not, so all of that footage detailing a pivotal moment in film history (post-Easy Rider pre-Godfather) would have remained buried in the UCLA archives unseen by anyone as it quietly rotted away. And who knows what will go missing from Blu-Ray: with its extra storage it could hold tons of extra material, but it looks like the studios probably won't bother now.
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I'm planning on getting the new Stargate video CONTINUUM on Bluray. I have 3 right now. I have about 7 hddvd movies. I like the quality a lot. The newer movies have better prints. I have the original Stargate movie on Bluray and its quality isn't quite as good as my bluray copies of Xmen 3 and Final Fantasy. FF looks great on Bluray, especially since it was a cg movie.
Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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I don't know about you guys but,I find it harder and harder to go back from watching a Blu-ray flick with the PS3 on my 61" 1080p DLP, and viewing same flick on standard DVD.To each their own....JM2Cents...
" Who needs Google, my wife knows everything"
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I'll say this I rented 10,000bc on bluray and it looked very, very good. Bad movie but good visuals. I like being able to rent a movie at its top commercially available quality (albeit on a 1080i set...).
Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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Although I feel the Sony PS3 has excellent DVD Video upscaling capabilities I still find DVD Video to be overly "soft" looking after watching so many movies in the Blu-Ray format.Originally Posted by t0nee1
In fact I've downloaded some 720p movies and even they seem a tad soft compared to 1080p movies.
- John "FulciLives" Coleman"The eyes are the first thing that you have to destroy ... because they have seen too many bad things" - Lucio Fulci
EXPLORE THE FILMS OF LUCIO FULCI - THE MAESTRO OF GORE
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The thing is...people like you have absolutely no impact on the industry. 4 movies in 9 months it was keeps the technology expensive. Until the public is sold on it, you might as well be prepared to complain. IMO, no one in their right mind should be paying 10+ more dollars for a movie when our economy is so terrible in the first place just because the quality is debatable at best. better.Originally Posted by FulciLives
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Not everyone has a 61 inch TV. I have a 42 inch that broadcasts in 720p that I cannot see much difference at all. If you have that picky of an eye, then maybe you should spend more on a product that is a 50% increase over a yet similar product. One thing I cannot do is go back to SD for tv however.Originally Posted by t0nee1
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I guess if I'm honest about what I feel about the technology (BD or HD) it would be - resentment. I just got done replacing my library of VHS tapes with DVD. Now I wanted to do that because the advantages of DVD technology were many and obvious - but I'm damned if I want to do it again. And suppose I do? You can bet in five years time the new thing will be BD2 and they'll be pushing me to spend the money again. eff off!Originally Posted by Xylob the Destroyer
Now this is from someone who's both a videophile and a bit of a technogeek. I hate to think what average Joe consumer really thinks.
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well all i can say is blu-ray is a lot better picture than the standard dvd,yes it is expensive but so was dvd when it first came out,as for 1080p and 1080i you can only really see the difference once you start getting to the 50" tvs and above,you dont like dont buy it then,there must be a lot who is as all the major companies are fetching new machines out all the time
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I don't deny that the picture quality can be (but is not guaranteed to be) better than DVD. But, that is not the only factor in play here.Originally Posted by sunderland
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True, but on average, it's much better than DVD if you have the proper setupOriginally Posted by mpack
It depends on the production values. Many early cheap blu-ray titles were just upscaled high bitrate DVD's that didn't use a quality master.
Of course I've also seen some VHS tapes better than some DVD's too
But most recent modern releases are getting it right now. You must be blind or not have a proper setup if you cannot see the difference.
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Blu-ray (and HD DVD for that matter) are clearly superior to DVD in every way... but the difference is really only noticeable on larger 1920x1080 native resolution screens. That's one of the big problems facing the HD disc format. Many HDTV owners have 720p native screens (1366x768 or 1280x720 native), or they have 1080i CRT's (that can only actually resolve about 900x600 or less in real world use), or they have 1080p screens that are relatively small for their viewing distance. So, the difference between a 1920x1080 source and upscaled standard DVD is not that noticeable for most people that currently own HDTV's. I have a 62" 1080p DLP, so the difference is obvious to me. But I am probably in the minority of HDTV owners having a full resolution 1920x1080 screen that large (or larger).
Like others have mentioned... the only Blu-ray and HD DVD discs I own I got for free with mail in rebates. I rent them from Netflix. They're too expensive to invest in right now.
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you will have to sit close to see the difference between a 720p and 1080p to tell the difference in picture quality unless your using the big projectors,and it will not be much difference,but you go out and buy say i robot on SD and blu-ray and tell me you cant really tell the difference,its great you can go into the menus without having to come out of the film,film prices are coming down now to what SD dvd was
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Uh, well maybe you weren't aiming that at me, but I didn't say I couldn't see the difference: I said that picture quality is not the only factor determining the acceptance of BD. Cost vs benefit, and likely longevity of the technology are also factors.Originally Posted by poisondeathray
VHS lasted for what... 30 years or so? How long has DVD lasted? How long will BD last, assuming I upgraded, and how much would upgrading cost me?
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If the studios, pressed by Sony in some backroom deal start to limit or delay standard DVD releases in favour of BluRay, then the bleating sheep that is the average consumer will likely follow suit regardless. People want their stuff and they want it now! (which is often why new releases of movies cost double what you can buy them for in a few months time.) If the BR flick is out a couple of weeks sooner, or if the std DVD is in short supply but the BR version is sitting there etc, off the sheep will go.
I'm sure now that Sony has gotten rid of HD-DVD it won't be long until they turn their attention to phasing out std DVD using every method they can find. If they didn't let the market decide between HD_DVD and BR, they aren't likely to wait for the market to naturally switch over from std DVD to BR either.
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Didn't they? Well, ok the market didn't decide between BD and HD, instead the market decided that it was going to basically ignore both sides until the format war was sorted out. That war ended with HD-DVDs surrender at Camp WB, and now we will see how BD gets along on its own.Originally Posted by Snakebyte1
I very much doubt (to say the least) that Sony has the muscle to sweep DVD aside. DVD is by now an established and widely (almost universally) accepted technology. Getting people to move away from it, and incidentally spending a lot of cash in the process, will be tricky - especially today, when peoples discretionary income is not what it was...
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Of course I have a picky eye! that's why I purchased a big screen 1080p HD TV and a PS3...Surely you can understand ,since you say"One thing I cannot do is go back to SD for tv however"..Originally Posted by jstewart
Nothing like watching HD right? to each their own! 8)" Who needs Google, my wife knows everything"
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As someone else stated, Blu-Ray does not look that great on large screens (65"+). Let's skip this interim format and go directly to 4k. This is the standard that Hollywood is using to archive its celluloid films and, if we want true lossless video reproduction, is the only way to go.
F*** Sony. Let's move on to TRUE hi-def. JVC, Panasonic and others have developed 4k TVs. Let's have a 4k disc and player and I'll promise never to copy discs again!
Roberta
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robertaz wrote,
"someone else stated, Blu-Ray does not look that great on large screens (65"+)"...
Why don't you go to your local BB or CC and see for yourself...
Lets face it, HD is here and we might as well get on the train,else be left back at the station waiting for the stagecoach,hoping to catch up..JMHO!..." Who needs Google, my wife knows everything"
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Sony does not have the power to muscle standard DVD off to the graveyard: for all of the posturing by Wall Street and the studios that standard DVD has reached a "plateau", in reality standard DVD has floated the entire entertainment industry these last few years. Profits did not increase 20% year-on-year as they had been earlier, but there were no losses, either. Standard DVD still fuels 50% or more of the Hollywood food chain, no one is going to screw with that until consumers themselves press for change. The obvious point raised by most of us, that BluRay is not the huge lifestyle shift over DVD that DVD was over VHS, will hold fast for quite a long time yet. There are certain "benefits" to standard DVD that people got very used to that they are not likely to give up in a faltering economy: $30 PC drives, $50 home players and $60 portables. These price points are ingrained now, BluRay has no staggering advantage it can offer on a small screen that would convince anyone to spend $300 for a portable/car player, etc. Video consumption is no longer centered around the big living room television: cable and satellite have taken over that niche, while rented and purchased media are increasingly being viewed on laptops, portable players and even converted to iPod and PSP files. YouTube videos look like total sh*t yet they're the hottest thing since VHS. If not for the PS3 BluRay would be so screwed, at least PS3 can maintain a foothold until people are in more of a mood to make a format change. For that to happen, though, Sony might have to accept another sucker punch and subsidize cheap hardware for a few years. The days of people spending more than $300 for anything (other than game consoles and flat televisions) are gone: there needs to be a Sony-branded luxe Blu Ray set top player for $99 at Wal*Mart. Immediately.
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I still think Sony has more clout. They are not just hardware providers, but they also own and produce a lot of content which they can thrown around if they choose. The tactic we saw in the HDDVD vs BR war of only releasing some content on only one format can be used in an attempt to hasten the switch over. Sony and its partners in this have been much more aggressive with BR than in the past such as with Betamax. It doesn't make much sense for them to put this much effort into BR and then sitting back and waiting to see if it will in fact displace std DVD.
I recall back when CD replaced vinyl, CD sales took off after vinyl become increasingly harder to find . Yes, its true that CD is a much larger quality jump than BR is, and that certainly had an effect, but vinyl was phased out faster because the industry decided not to provide it.
Only time will tell. Personally I have no interest in BluRay and I'm hoping I'll not have to ever buy one
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