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    Now that I am getting cable net, I am faced with a problem. Two computers need to use the same modem, however unless we move them, they are on oposite sides of the house.

    What should i do?

    Just run a Ethernet cable under the floor?


    how long before I need a repeater?
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    Yep, that's what you'd do.

    No worries on distance unless you live in one hell of a house. Cat. 5 standards allow for up to a 297 foot distance on any horizontal run before you will fall out of Cat. 5 performance and spec's.
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    If you want both to use the net at the same time? You will need a cable/dsl routre. Like Linksys Etherfast Cable/DFSL router. You can get them in a wireless model if you don't want to run wire. 8)
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    I'd rather go under the house and run wire because those wireless things scare me.


    I never got over someone telling me u could kill a man by transmitting 1 gig per second through him.

    Plus i might it interference.
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  5. Originally Posted by Greg12
    I never got over someone telling me u could kill a man by transmitting 1 gig per second through him.
    Hmm, well our entire planet is one humongous radio transmitter these days, not to mention the largest significant source of radiation - the SUN. BTW - you ever hear how the theory about electromagnetic fields causing cancer was debunked a few years back when the author of the study admitted he fabricated it to get government grant money? The amount of radiation, as it were, that would be caused by your wireless network should be the least of your concerns.

    Oh yeah, and not even ethernet can come anywhere near 1gig/s.
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    You don't need a router i'm sharing my net find to all computers in my house with only a hub and each computers connected on it.
    Internet is hook-up to one computer and sharing Easily without additional program to the others
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  7. Whether you need a router will depend on your type of service and the configuration used by your ISP. Many will not work with just a transparent hub and multiple computers connected under different IP addresses, some might even consider it a violation of the contract. This is also a huge sin if you care at all about security.
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    For my cable company you especially need a hub, they do not authorize sharing with a router and/or multiple ips
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    I will ask them when they come out.


    I know you only get 1 IP, which is dynamic.
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  10. Originally Posted by WildParadise
    For my cable company you especially need a hub, they do not authorize sharing with a router and/or multiple ips
    That makes sense, but what you call a hub is in fact a router, and what you call a router is in fact a hub. A router is a device that is actually assigned an IP and then uses network address translation to link that single IP to multiple computers on an internal LAN. A hub has no IP and is invisible to machines on the network.
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    all i need is a machine to split the connection between two computers.


    or have it so i use my laptop to connect to the big computer which connects to the modem
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    The hub has no Ip that's why I need it to share my internet because I can only have one Ip, if I take a router, the router will multiple the ips with the one giving by the internet, that's what i'm saying
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  13. Let's try this again...

    A hub has no IP address. Thus, if you connect it directly to your broadband connection, every computer on your network will attempt to access that broadband connection and obtain an independent IP. That almost never works, and almost always pisses of your service provider.

    A router is assigned an IP address, often statically. That IP address is the only IP visible to the outside world, including your ISP, thus they think you only have one computer connected. The router then maintains the internal IP addresses on the LAN and acts as the DHCP server for the network. When a computer on the LAN wants to access the internet, the router uses network address translation (NAT) to properly map that computer's communication through the single externally visible IP address, and direct responses back to the correct computer on the LAN.
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    8) think I understand now
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    but Comcast now uses dynamic ip's assigned when you log on.
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  16. I think most of the routers can now be configured to handle the login and IP retrieval automatically for ISPs that use PPPoE.
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  17. Doesn't matter, you can configure you gateway/rotuer to use dynamic IP address the same as your PC. In fact this is sort of recommended as your ISP might just up and change your IP w/ or w/o telling you (not to mention the whole @home -> ATT -> comcast -> ??? mess).
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    Greg12,

    Don't sweat the IP issue. All larger companies have the same problem, too many computers, not enough IP's. The way around the problem is free. Use ICS, "Internet Connection Sharing". This is included with all windows products after 98. They all use NAT, (Network Address Translation). This allows many users to access the Internet over one IP address. On Google, do a search on ICS. There is a wealth of How-To's on the subject. I have used ICS, even with a Dial-Up connecton and it works! If both computers have network cards, then run your network cable. Don't let the CAT-5 stuff get in your way either. Even regular phone lines will work if the distance is short enough. In the scenario you describe, you don't need a hub. Just reverse pins 1&2 with 3&6 respectavly. If you don't have the tools required, then just use the store bought stuff with a hub. You don't need a Router either. ICS has all the tools needed for this. I will monitor this post for further questions but I will not be able to respond until tomorrow. If you have any further questions please post here. By the way, I posted this earlier and lost the post. To Baldrick, I Know you are doing your best, THANKS!!!!!!

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  19. hi,
    if you realy want just to share the internet connection on only two computers then you dont need to spend a lot of money to set up a network with a hub and other things just buy a cat5 "cross over cabel" and set up a home network. i have done this and you can share the internet. look in to the windows help to set up the home network. the cabel is 4.99 $ in circuitcity.

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    you do not need a router/hub/switch or so to use net on both puters. You could just have 2 net cards on one of them and connect internet on one card and the outher comp one the outher card.
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  21. My 2cents.....

    I would go with a router and cable (if your worried about going wireless). You can use one computer as a server but then that computer always has to be on.

    Just get a decent router and its easy. perhaps a linksys or even a SMC. The linksys is better but the smc is cheaper......
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  22. My thoughts..

    Defintely go with a router, ICS is full of bugs, and is not a sophisticated NAT which is easily hackable. Also, I would not go with a Linksys router, it too, is full of bugs. Just check there website for the many firmware updates they have had to issue. CompUSA has a great Siemens router on sale for 50 bucks this week, that also comes with a printer port connection, which allows you to share your printer via the network as well.

    Using ICS or network printer attached to computer makes your printing capabilities & internet access VERY dependant on that machine ALWAYS being on. So if that machines needs to be rebooted or is off, then your whole net access is gone. With this router, what you do on one machine will not affect the access to internet & printing of the other.
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  23. Take a look at www.analogx.com under network and download Analog Proxy.

    You gonna need 2 network card in one PC, a hub and one network card in your other PC.

    Set up a privat IP range between all your PCs and leave the one card connected to the cabelmodem Dynamic.

    In the readme file of the Proxy you gonne fined all information needed to set up. It works well and are free. You gonna also need a free Firewall like one from Zonalab.

    Have fun.
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    Kdiddy's comments are true but ICS is simple and works. There are many ways to accomplish sharing an Internet connection but generally require a fairly high understanding of networking. The Linksys routers are a common discussion at work. Once the firmware is updated they seem to work OK but still a hassle to configure. I'm not familiar with the Siemens router but a hardware firewall is always better than a software firewall. The problem is nobody understands how to configure them.

    No matter what solution you choose, USE A FIREWALL! The Zonelabs firewall works well and has the highest marks from everything I have read.

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    i use tiny personal firewall
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