dvd recorder does not show up

[hitenmdesai]

i am planning to buy a dvd recorder and connecting it to my pc. a friend suggested that this gives extremely crystal clear quality compared to burning the same on my dvd burners installed on my pc.

since he has 2-3 recorders he offered me to take the panasonic dmr-eh60 and try out. i connected the recorder to the tv and connected the pc to the recorder using the firewire cable. (its the same i use to capture video from the panasonic md 9000)

however the recorder does not show up as a connected device on the pc. im using movie maker, also have pinnacle studio 10.5 but even that didnt help! the settings on the recorder is DVD- DV.

what am i doing wrong?

ps. : if this does get sorted out, hows the panasonic es15 or es17s ? i believe the ones with hard disk conk off easily, and besides (a) no budget for hd (b) have 320 GB on pc.

[FulciLives]

DVD recorders with a DV IN port are purposefully made NOT to work with the DV port on a computer.

So you have to record to a DVD disc on the DVD recorder then RIP that DVD to your computer if you want the video on the computer.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Bjs]

You'd have to render the video to file , then play it back out to tv via tv out from pc video card ... you will need a couple of cables to complete the circuit , including audio out from pc speaker jack .

[hitenmdesai]

sorry guys i dont agree. this friend has recorded DVDs in this fashion. infact he suggested to me that i buy a dvd recorder and connect it this way.

he brings the entire file onto the timeline, edits adds music few titles and then renders and presses play and immediately the record button on the recorder and it works!

sure there is a way

[gshelley61]

Depends on the specific DVD recorder. JVC units can do this, but some other brands and models don't allow it. It may also depend on the specific NLE software you have installed on you PC.

[hitenmdesai]

like i said its the panasonic dmr-eh60 its working fine on his pc with i guess pnnacle 10 or 11. another person is workin on studio 9 but with a JVC 3in1

guys its possible somehow were missing something somewhere....

[Bjs]

DVD recorders with a DV IN port are purposefully made NOT to work with the DV port on a computer.

So you have to record to a DVD disc on the DVD recorder then RIP that DVD to your computer if you want the video on the computer.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I tend to agree with this from FulciLives on the grounds of complaints created by film industry .

I think it wasnt long ago that sony pulled the ability to pass through their cameras from one device , directly to pc , on the grounds to prevent circumnavigating dvd protection .

Its been a while since then .

But vista is coming , and they want to protect both video and audio path ways between devices in order to protect video / audio content from being ilegally copied without authorization / applicable fee's .

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There are a number of differences between units , which are not uncovered until one actually tries to .

Its all well and good to see it in black and white , but the pudding is actually using it to perform such tasks .

I'll have to give my wintal dvdrx250 a run , as it supports two functions , both dv input and usb , just plug in a usb flash disk, or external hard drive and archive your files on to a blank DVD .

Seem's a simple process .

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he brings the entire file onto the timeline, edits adds music few titles and then renders and presses play and immediately the record button on the recorder and it works!

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Big difference between "RENDER" vs "PLAY"

Are you sure he's not

A: render project to file output
B: Play back file using tv out (including audio out)
C: Bang record button on remote in order for dvd recorder to record incoming signal

If he is , he's doing it the way I mentioned before .

Either that , or the unit is almost part of the pc , as usb / ilink cables are not long .

[FulciLives]

At first I thought you wanted to use the DVD recorder to get video from it to the computer.

Now I see that you want to get a video from your computer to your DVD recorder.

Problem is hardly any DVD recorders allow this via the DV/FIREWIRE/IEEE 1394/i.link connection.

What to do?

If you have a video card with a TV out port you can use that to go into the analog video inputs of your DVD recorder. This is a "dirty" way of doing it but if you have an ATI with Avivo tech or an Nvidia with PureVideo tech then it could/should look pretty decent.

Another option would be to output the DV AVI to your camcorder via FIREWARE then connect the camcorder to the DVD recorder via FIREWIRE. That should work but you have to first copy to the camcorder then play back from the camcorder to the DVD recorder. The good point here is that it is all digital. The bad point is that it takes a while to do it as it is a two step process.

However there are a very few DVD recorders that will accept the FIREWIRE out of a computer to the FIREWIRE in of the DVD recorder ... but damn few ... I am not aware of any Panasonic models that do this but I'm not up on the newer models. I can say that historically Panasonic DVD recorders have not allowed this. The earlier model JVC DVD recorders did but not sure about the current models.

However if you know what you are doing then there is no reason why computer based software MPEG-2 DVD conversion would be inferior. If anything it should be better especially if the source is DV AVI type video.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[StuR]

JVC SR-DVM600/700 ......(HD/DVD/DV) pro-model costly
JVC DR-DX5S ...............(HD/DVD/DV) still costly
JVC DR-MX10 ...............(HD/DVD/VCR) not so costly
JVC DR-MH300 .............(HD/DVD) not so costly

All have DV in/out, to and from the harddrive. Should link to PC via most good software.
Designed for DV editing but should allow any quality. I've been looking for my own purposes.
More info on the JVC websites. Pal euro models.

[handyguy]

I don't get the point of editing on your PC & writing with your recorder, when you can just write it on your pc too.

[JCWBobC]

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