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  1. Member KeepItSimple's Avatar
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    I'd like to back up some of my DVD movies by putting 2 of them on 1 DL disc. Between the originals and the backups I'm drowning in discs.
    I've seen DVDs such as Don Knotts' "Shakiest Gun In The West/The Love God" where, after choosing which movie to watch from a simple "Main Main" Menu, each movie has it's own separate full set of menus, extras, scene selections, etc to choose from.

    I'm not sure exactly what they call those but I'd like to make some those! How hard would that be and how do I do it?
    I have Toast, iDVD, MTR, DVD2ONEX, Fast DVD Copy and FFMpegX to work with.
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    Well,I won't even get into the fact you could do this
    rather easily with DVD Studio Pro.....
    so....

    Since you have the following tools:
    MTR, ffmpegx,and Toast ( I assume 7?)

    here's what I would do.

    First rip each Main Feature of the two original discs in question.

    Next, take each ripped VOB, and process through ffmpegx
    as DV Streams, to maintain quality.

    Last, Open the Toast video tab, select the DVD option,
    drag and drop each DV Stream into the window,
    Name each movie a short name for their button in the menu,
    choose a theme ( I'm rather fond of Corporate) and choose
    as target media "DL DVD", rather than "DVD" or "CD",
    and then Set it to encode, pop a disc in, and walk away.

    four to five hours later, you should have the disc you want.
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    What I do is use the Toast 7's Media Browser to drag the Titles from the DVDs to the Toast Video Window. Then I burn the new DVD. This presumes the multiple titles will fit on the DL disc.
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    Originally Posted by terryj
    Well,I won't even get into the fact you could do this
    rather easily with DVD Studio Pro.....
    Yes PLEASE get into that fact terry. Actually I do have Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro 3. I knew the day would come when I would outgrow those other apps in some respect and need the big boys, so BRING IT ON!
    Remember I want to put 2 complete movies with menus and extras etc etc on 1 "partitioned" DVD. I've seen them I know it can be done. Tell me please!!!

    Of course at the same time I'm still trying to perfect the "2 main features only on a disc" technique:
    Originally Posted by terryj
    take each ripped VOB, and process through ffmpegx
    as DV Streams, to maintain quality.
    Ok I was just taking the ripped V.O.B.s themselves into the Toast Video Tab hoping they would just burn, without re-encoding, or maybe compress a little if needed. It works sometimes, but never when I really need it to heheheh. I'm trying to put 2 Single Layer disc movies on 1 Double Layer disc so that shouldn't be much of a stretch....errr...squeeze for Toast.

    Thanks!!!!
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    Originally Posted by KeepItSimple
    Originally Posted by terryj
    Well,I won't even get into the fact you could do this
    rather easily with DVD Studio Pro.....
    Yes PLEASE get into that fact terry. Actually I do have Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro 3. I knew the day would come when I would outgrow those other apps in some respect and need the big boys, so BRING IT ON!
    Remember I want to put 2 complete movies with menus and extras etc etc on 1 "partitioned" DVD. I've seen them I know it can be done. Tell me please!!!
    Thanks!!!!
    Well,
    my mistake. You cannot currently multi session (which is what you are asking)
    a DVD-R with available Mac software. You can create two titles, each with their
    own seperate menus ( start with a treed structure ( think like the letter Y)
    Disc Menu--tree--Main Menu Track One Title One
    --tree--Main Menu Track Two Title Two

    and then burn that onto SL or DL media, depending upon your amount of compression/
    and audio file type (PCM, Ac3).

    Since the Disc has to open into Something, your Disc Menu could simply be a menu
    that auto plays a loop movie then brings up at the loop point a set of buttons
    for each movie--then you blur/dissolve to that (sub)menu for that title ( Track 1/2).

    But I don't even know of any DVD Players that could handle switching between what
    would be perceived as two inserted UDF volumes, and allow for switching between the two
    "discs" in one DVD tray.
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    Terry,
    Do one of the apps I mentioned before (not FCP or DVD Studio pro) have a way for me to analyze the tree structure of Don Knott's Shakiest Gun In The West/The Love God double feature commercial DVD to see how they did it?

    I could do a screen capture, post it here and you could see how they've done it.
    The structure of that Don Knotts DVD sounds like what you are describing -- not multisession but 2 titles with separate menu systems that you get to from a simple Top/main menu. I don't know about UDF volumes etc etc but the DVD plays!
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    If it is the same as the "Horror" double feature DVDs
    you can buy at Suncoast for $4.99, then yes that is
    how they do it.
    They use DVD-9 ( in our case DL-DVD-R), and author
    both movies to fit the disc space, taking into account
    menus and audio.

    I have one that has "the Vampire Lovers" and
    "The House that Dripped Blood" on it, and MTR reports it as 7.73GB
    ( not the full 8.5GB of a DL). So backwards de-constructig it,
    I used BitRate Calculator to figure to get 3hrs10mins15sec of
    video, onto that space, the must have encoded
    (with AC3 192kbps audio)at about a target of 5.56kbps.

    then following the steps I listed earlier, they authored the disc in
    such manner to make appear as two, but is actually one disc.

    The best way you could anaylze it, after ripping with MTR,
    is put open it with DVD Player and do a run through of
    the titles and chapters. Each title corrosponds to a VOB set
    on the disc, once you have broken down what title plays
    which movie, then you you can understand what they have done.
    ( you could even do this somewhat with MTR itself, but you would
    have to know the running times of each movie, because
    all you would see is time codes and cell/chapters, not actual
    content.)

    it is similar to, but with a couple of steps removed obviously,
    to what studios do now, releasing both WS and FS version of a movie
    on one DVD-9 (non-flipper), like Freedomland, etc.
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