will dvd look the same on a 720 and a 1080

[slimpickins]

hi
im gona get a hdtv, but in the uk 768 is like the whole market, if im watching my back up dvd's will they look the same whether wathcing on a 720 or a 1080

[guns1inger]

Is the upscaling filters are good, they will be OK (assuming they are good quality to begin with). BTW, standard PAL DVDs or only 576 lines, not 768, so they will have to be upscaled to 720 or 1080.

[slimpickins]

yes i know, but will mybackups look the same on a 720 and 1080 since the video will not be native, yes 1080 is better than 720, but how will my 576 look on the 2, i.e will it be identical since its 576

[slimpickins]

i want to know will the quality look better on a 1080 over a 720 even though its only 576

[guns1inger]

It all comes down to the quality of the original disc (how much did you compress the crap out of it and how did you do it), the quality of the upscaler doing the resize, and the quality of the TV. Most of the HD TVs I have seen haven't impressed me, even with HD DTV sources.

There isn't a definative answer as there are too many variables. You really want to find out, take some discs and audition the TVs you are looking at purchasing.

I personally do like the top of the line Sony Bravia LCD. We have a 40 inch model used for displaying still images from a PC. They are sized to the native resolution, and the quality is spectacular. However with a standard DVD player hooked up, and a 4:3 movie shot in-house using pro TV gear (and then slightly over compressed, so a good example of the quality of many backups) looks horrible. The player has no native upscaling capabilities, which may be the cause.

[slimpickins]

i understand all the variables, its enough to cause a hernia, all i need to know is, will a dvd look the same on a 720 as it would on a 1080, is a 1080 to much to upconvert, ordoes the 576 look the same on anything higher,

[guns1inger]

You have to audition the kit you want to buy to know for sure. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is image quality.

[jtoolman2000]

DO you mean 720P and 1080P? I don;t believe there are any 1080P out yet. 1080 i and 720P will pretty much look the same. So if that is what you are wondering, then no, it will both look pretty much the same.

A good brand will have a proprietary upscaler and most good DVD players with component, DVI or HDMI outputs will also upscale your SD DVDs to 720 progressive or 1080 Interlaced.

My Toshibal 52 DLP set has its own proprietary upscaler colled Talen and the results are superb on a good DVD. It does an amazing job on a good digital TV signal as well. Some DVDs such as Pixar and Dreamworks releases look ALMOST like true HD IMHO. Most of my back ups also look very good to great on it.

I now own the new Toshiba HD DVD player for which there are only a few movies yet available and that is truly a sight to behold. Phantom of the Opera looks majestic!!!

Good luck on your choice.

[greymalkin]

if you understand all the variables then clearly you know there is no way to give you a blanket answer for all televisions running at 720p/i or 1080p/i

This is the answer so far based on what information you have provided:

It all comes down to the quality of the original disc (how much did you compress the crap out of it and how did you do it), the quality of the upscaler doing the resize, and the quality of the TV.

[slimpickins]

, all i wanted to know was if my video content will be 576, will it look the same on either a 720 or a 1080, since both will be higher than my dvd resolution will 1 not look better than another, i dont know, because im upscalling to 1080 will it look worse than upscalign to 720,

[Cornucopia]

No. (Depending)

576i -->720p and 576i -->1080i will look pretty much the same.

Scott

[edDV]

Give us the model number of the TV and we will run the specs.

This assumes a standard commercial progressive DVD (720x480 or 720x576 at 24fps). If you are talking about PAL sources, well that is different.

If you are talking about a CRT HDTV then the dot pitch will result in less than 960x720 (much less usually) regardless of scan rates of 1080 or 720.

[slimpickins]

i am talking about pal dcd's will they look the same on both 720 and 1080's

[Dr_Layne]

And the answer is..

MAYBE!!

if you haven't figured that out yet.

Let's see if we can explain it in PLAIN ENGLISH.

It well vary depending on the DVD in question and the TV in question. It is not a simple YES or NO answer.

[slimpickins]

obviously, but ruloe of thumb

[jagabo]

Here's your rule of thumb: in a world of perfect resizing filters and perfect displays there would be no visible difference between a 720x480 source displayed as 1280x720 or 1920x1080.

In the real world where the differences in technologies are much greater than the differences between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 there is no rule of thumb.

[greymalkin]

i don't think it's sinking in guys...this is beginning to sound like a broken record...

trying to explain this to you is like trying to nail jell-o to a tree.

[Cornucopia]

Nailing it isn't hard (assuming you have something to support it), it's just the staying up and not melting/dissolving that's hard!

Scott

[jtoolman2000]

i don't think it's sinking in guys...this is beginning to sound like a broken record...
trying to explain this to you is like trying to nail jell-o to a tree.

NO it's not sinking in on you my friend. They answer will be a likely NO!!!!!
There will not be any difference between a Pal or NTSC source DVD displayed at 720P or 1080I. What it is not sinking in with you is that diferent brands and types of HD TVs will appear slightly diferent. Meaning one may look better than another. You cannot make a cut in stone statement as to which might look better.

Also when you say 1280, I don't believe you mean progresive. Those set are pretty new and cost small fortune. It is more likely to be a 1080 interlace which in that case will not look any diferent than a 720 progresive display.

The only time you will see a difference is between a standard def DVD and a High Def DVD. I know because I own one.

[slimpickins]

of course its a interlace, of course i know it all depends on the tv and player and disc, i was just asking if someone out there knew the answer to my question

all i was asking was with the same tv, i cannot test in the uk because i have yet to find a tv to test that is 1080i, they are all 768 and 720

[jtoolman2000]

Well,,, The answer is no.

[Cornucopia]

slimpickens> why do you say you're in UK, when your profile says you're in US?

(Baiter?)

Scott

[slimpickins]

i guesss my profile was left at original settigns or used my i.p adress, my ip is dynamic and sometimes shows up as american,
y u checking my profile?

i guess il start a new thread but a very weird question, is there anyway to use only like 21@ of a tv if u have a 50", so i wont stretch the picture and only use like half of it

[tgm4883]

you could reencode with black bars around it.

[slimpickins]

nah
is there a tv or player that lets u watch it in lets say 28" so the poor quality films dont look all blown up

[slimpickins]

28" on a 50"screen

[tgm4883]

Yea, I forget the name though, some obscure austrailian brand. It runs 2160p so its a better picture than both 720p and 1080p and it allows you to either set the amount of screen you want to use, or it will reencode on the fly for a better picture.

[slimpickins]

2160p, imressive, ive seen 10,000 (i or p?)used before.on some british program where they needed to fake the earth cos they convinced these guys they were in outer space, twas called space cadets

[tgm4883]

What just occured to me is why are you asking the difference between 1080i and 720p if the only things you can get are 720 and 768?

[slimpickins]

never said couldnt get 1080i, just that i carnt test it