Can professional recorders bypass copy protection?

[kevs]

When I was having problems with copy protection with music, I was advised that professional CD copy decks don't have the copy protection problem that consumer ones have. they cost about double. any possibilities with DVD decks? (not interested in computer solutions, thanks -- just DVD burners underneath the TV)

[lumis]

it wouldnt be legal (atleast not in the united states) that allowed you to make a "copy" of a protected dvd movie.. considering you would have to break CSS & macrovision copy protections.

[FulciLives]

Get a full frame TBC device.

Look for the AVT-8710 or the DataVideo TBC-1000

A full frame TBC will strip any kind of copy protection.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[kevs]

thanks Fulci:
the AVT seems smaller and less expensive.
I guess this is the DVD equivalant of getting an RF modulator to beat taping to VHS?

[Markenstein]

Hey Fulci, does this device work when trying to make DVD copies from a copy protected digital cable signal? I'm having troubles copying movies from HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, etc,....

Yes, Fulic LIVES!

[ejai]

Yes it will work on cable signals.

[FulciLives]

Yes it will work on cable signals.

What he said

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Rob61]

Buy a LiteOn 5005 DVD recorder for $99 and apply the FW hack. It copies anything.

[lacywest]

Buy a LiteOn 5005 DVD recorder for $99 and apply the FW hack. It copies anything.

Hmmm .... sounds like a unit to add to my collection

Where is it available for $100 bucks ... nib ?? EBAY ?

addon ... I checked the user comments and this unit has a lot of comments that are not good .... what is the point in getting this unit if it is going to break down in a month or so .... My Panasonic units and my Pioneer unit ... are working fine and haven't broke down.

Only one of my Panasonic units are store bought [Wal-Mart] ... the rest are from EBAY ... the Pioneer is from Wal-Mart.

[kevs]

Rob,
actually, I did get lite on, and it was very easy to use, and beat copy protection right out of the box, without a hack!
But after couple days had problems. Would not update well or eject disk. then read some reviews, and it's very problematic brand. So going with Sony, hence this post.

[FulciLives]

The Lite-On DVD recorders tend to be very unreliable.

They just are not well made.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[lordsmurf]

The Lite-On DVD recorders tend to be very unreliable.
They just are not well made.
- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I would not say that. Too all-encompassing.

I would agree, however, that a percentage of them (likely a small percentage, or at very least a minority percentage) are plagued by any number of random errors, which can range from making the unit quirky, to making it a boat anchor.

[kevs]

Want to ask:
AVT, seems cool, but at $200, more expensive than my new Sony DVD! is there a less expensive alternative?

Also, guy there says to try to use it only when need to, best not to have it there always, but why? seems like real hassle to be taking it on and off. thanks!

[Rob61]

I've read about the problems with just about all DVD recorders, not just the Lite On units. My first unit, an Apex, lasted just over a year then stopped working. It too was only $99.

DVD recorders are not quite there yet, and many are plagued with problems. I look at them as a disposable commodity at this point. A lot of the cheaper ones probably use cheaper components thus adding to their woes.

However, I first bought a Sony, $350. I figured I'd get a better picture. Well, first of all, the picture quality was inferior to my earlier Apex. Maybe I just got a bad one. But the REAL problem was the SONY would NOT COPY lots of programming right off my satellite. I'd get a copy protection warning. Now, the whole point of this DVD recorder was being sold to me as a replacement to my VHS tape unit which could copy (TIMESHIFT) any program material I wanted.

I am not going to replace my VHS machine (used for timeshifting) with a so called "better unit" that has an inferior picture and will not even let me timeshift TV content. The Sony had inferior picture quality and would not record movies for later viewing.

So, for a LOT LESS than the Sony, I bought 2 LiteOn units, which combined will probably outlast the one Sony, AND it gives me a better picture, AND I can timeshift TV content including movies, AND I can back up my VHS tapes, movies and all, to DVD, AND I can even back up a DVD movie.

For me, it was a simple matter of finding a unit that was fit for my purpose. The fact that it also gives me a superior picture and allows me to do even more with it than my old VHS machine is a bonus.

I use my Lite On machines several times a week. Its not real heavy duty use, so I don't know how long they will last. But I can assure you, with ANY DVD recorder, its not IF it will break down, its WHEN it will break down, no matter how much you spend or what name is on the unit.

[kevs]

the LIte-on I bought broke down immediatly, that said, any ideas on my last question?

"AVT, seems cool, but at $200, more expensive than my new Sony DVD! is there a less expensive alternative?

Also, guy there says to try to use it only when need to, best not to have it there always, but why? seems like real hassle to be taking it on and off. thanks! '

[LCSHG]

Can't agree that LiteOn/ilo are not good
I have three ilo units. 2 with HDD and 1 without [sometimes it thinks its a 5005x.
All over 2yr old and work fine I would replace a drive or do most any thing to keep them working.

I have gone back over many posts, some quite old
The merits of a TBC or the use of a PC is a given

As there has been much said concerning circomventing CP
I would be intrested in the opinion of -- [Fulcikives] & [lordsmurf] or anyones
Will a TBC remove all CP including CPRM, C5, etc And alow a Unit to operate, [non compliant].
What is the opinion of Clarifiers and other ?CP removers?
When one looks at the fine print, Questions arise


This is my quote from another site [on digital stabilizers]
QUOTE
I have found that most so-called CP eliminators Don't work most times. Work somwhat on one recorder but not others, mostly on the early MV and Have no meaningfull effect on the latest CP

[FulciLives]

My understanding is that a Full Frame TBC ala the AVT-8710 or DataVideo TBC-1000 will remove any and all forms of copy protection including Macrovision and CGMS/A and yes even the "broadcast flag".

So far I've had no issues with the broadcast flag so I haven't personally used a TBC to combat it because so far (knock on wood) I've yet to find something on my cable system that I cannot record using my Pioneer DVD recorder (model DVR-531H-s).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[LCSHG]

Thanks

I have not had any problems with using the ilo 04 units including one with a broadcast flag [DVD Has not been a problem] If needed I will try a top TBC but I really would hate going back to a PC or/and TBC.
Thanks Again