Does anyone have any experience with Mitsubishi HS-HD2000U?

[BrainStorm69]

Although this is a D-VHS VCR, it will play and record both VHS and S-VHS also. It has a TBC/DNR function for analog playback. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this VCR and would it be as good or better than the JVC units with TBC/DNR?

I know that the JVC D-VHS units are not particularly good for VHS and S-VHS, but was hoping maybe the Mitsu was a different story.

[Suds-N-Spuds]

I have one of these decks but unfortunately I do not have a JVC to compare it to.

I seldom use it's TBC/DNR function as it appears to perform some sort of temporal chroma smoothing which can leave chroma ghosts that are visible at scene changes. Do the JVC decks have this problem?

On the plus side it plays tapes with less head noise than my other decks,
it has a good 3D comb filter and will rewind your tapes at unbelievable speeds.

[BrainStorm69]

I seldom use it's TBC/DNR function as it appears to perform some sort of temporal chroma smoothing which can leave chroma ghosts that are visible at scene changes. Do the JVC decks have this problem?

Thanks for the response. I've never noticed anything like that with the JVCs. Would it be possible for you to post a screen cap showing what it looks like? If using the TBC/DNR hurts picture quality, then it's not going to work for me. Are you sure that its not just a problem with your individual deck?

[tluxon]

Although this is a D-VHS VCR, it will play and record both VHS and S-VHS also. It has a TBC/DNR function for analog playback. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with this VCR and would it be as good or better than the JVC units with TBC/DNR?

I know that the JVC D-VHS units are not particularly good for VHS and S-VHS, but was hoping maybe the Mitsu was a different story.

I'm not sure what you're basing your statement about the JVC D-VHS units on.

I just got a JVC 40k D-VHS unit, and although I'll certainly be using it for HiDef stuff, my primary purpose was to use it for converting tapes that my Toshiba W-704 6-head VCR has trouble with. In email correspondence, Lordsmurf said that he thought I made the right decision in choosing this deck, and I know he was skeptical about it when he first learned of it.

As far as I've been able to make out so far, this 40k unit has the same TBC, frame memory, and digital filters (DigiPure Technology) that the 9800 and 9911 share. The Toshiba does a superior job on good tapes - even with all the DigiPure stuff turned off on the 40k - but so far the 40k seems to do what I hoped for on older, poor quality, EP recorded tapes that have been recorded on multiple times.

If you're only going to use a single deck and all your source tape is in good condition, the JVC may not be the best choice, but it still does a pretty good job on anything you give it if you experiment with all the settings. If you have tapes that really need a deck with a line TBC and DNR, I'll be surprised if you can do better than the 40k without shelling out quite a bit more.

By the way, as far as I've been able to tell in split screen comparisons, I think a line TBC and DNR always hurts the PQ of a good tape. I find it really only helps on the bad stuff.

All the best!

Tim

[BrainStorm69]

Tim, thanks for your input. I have just read some posts by folks here who bought the JVC digital VCRs (may not have been the 40K) who said the image quality was not as good as the 7000 and 9000 series JVCs with the built in TBC. Maybe the 40K is different. I already have a 7600, 9500, and 9900, and I'm just trying to see if there is anything better out there. I also have a Toshiba M784 which has DNR, but no TBC.

The Toshiba gives a sharper, less noisy picture in some circumstances, but the picture does have time base errors that I would like to get rid of, but can't with my current equipment See the following thread related to that:

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=289311

I'm trying to determine if I have to either live with a noiser picture (JVCs) or with time base errors (Toshiba), or whether there is a better player out there.

I"m also trying to find out if commercial grade external TBCs will fix the time base errors that my TBC-3000 cannot. See this post:

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=290273

Anyway, the hunt for the perfect VCR (which doesn't seem to exist other than gshelley's SR-W5U) continues.

[davideck]

I'm trying to determine if I have to either live with a noiser picture (JVCs) or with time base errors (Toshiba), or whether there is a better player out there.

What about that Panasonic AG-1980?
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=287476

[tluxon]

If you already have the 7600, 9500, and 9900, it's hard for me to imagine that the Mits D-VHS deck would do anything more than those.

I was thinking of the Panasonic AG-1980 as well, but you'll have to be patient and probably willing to pay over $300 for one, although pijetro just picked up a 1980P for $205 (https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1442181#1442181)!

[BrainStorm69]

I'm trying to determine if I have to either live with a noiser picture (JVCs) or with time base errors (Toshiba), or whether there is a better player out there.

What about that Panasonic AG-1980?
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=287476

Yeah, I'm still watching AG-1980s on ebay.

If you already have the 7600, 9500, and 9900, it's hard for me to imagine that the Mits D-VHS deck would do anything more than those.

I was thinking of the Panasonic AG-1980 as well, but you'll have to be patient and probably willing to pay over $300 for one, although pijetro just picked up a 1980P for $205 (https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1442181#1442181)!

I don't know that the Mitsu will, but I don't know that it won't either. If the AG-1980 is in good shape, pijetro got a good deal. I think that auction was one I was watching and forgot about until it was over.

[BrainStorm69]

I'm trying to determine if I have to either live with a noiser picture (JVCs) or with time base errors (Toshiba), or whether there is a better player out there.

What about that Panasonic AG-1980?
https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=287476

Well, I guess the Mitsu will have to wait. Just won an AG-1980 on ebay Hope it's as good as it looks. Got it for a good price. Will have to post some comparisons with the JVCs

[davideck]

Good for you, BrainStorm69. Congratulations! I hope its a good one.

I'm looking forward to your comparisons.
It will also be interesting to see if you still need the TBC-3000.

[Suds-N-Spuds]

Here's a couple 3-frame DV clips showing the chroma artifacts from a HS-HD2000U I mentioned above.

Without the TBC/DNR:
https://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1448759/nodnr.avi

With TBC/DNR active:
https://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1448759/withdnr.avi

I can't say if it's a bug or a feature. According to the manual when using the TBC/DNR "colors may possibly appear different than normal."

[BrainStorm69]

@Suds-n-Spuds - thanks for posting those frames. That's rather interesting. How easy is it to notice when watching a tape normally? With only three frames, the only way I could see what you were talking about was to load it to vdubmod and look at it frame by frame.

[Wile_E]

BrainStorm69,

I and probably other people here would be interested in seeing comparisons with the AG-1980 and the JVC's. I currently have a 9911, and it's okay. But the DNR "Auto" setting has now gave me three tapes that are TOO SOFT. Edit Mode just makes it all grainy again. So I'd like a VCR that has a variable DNR slider, like the Panasonic AG-1980. Please let us know what you think, if you ever get one.

[BrainStorm69]

I and probably other people here would be interested in seeing comparisons with the AG-1980 and the JVC's. I currently have a 9911, and it's okay. But the DNR "Auto" setting has now gave me three tapes that are TOO SOFT. Edit Mode just makes it all grainy again. So I'd like a VCR that has a variable DNR slider, like the Panasonic AG-1980. Please let us know what you think, if you ever get one.

Should be getting an AG-1980 this week. I won it on ebay Friday night. Hopefully it's a good one, and believe me, I will make plenty of comparisons (with screen caps) between it and the JVCs.

[vhelp]

Don't forget to use the test scenario from this thread as part of the
test(s) too:
** Confused: Why a VCR with TBC if separate TBC needed anyway?

Looking forward to those tests also

(sorry, but you were so insistive about it in that thread, when I
was performing the tests with my equipment, hehe)

Cheers,
-vhelp 3779

[Wile_E]

Does Mitsubishi, Toshiba, or Sony have any others that would be good? Most people have been just talking about JVC and Panasonic recently. What to look for on Ebay?

[BrainStorm69]

Don't forget to use the test scenario from this thread as part of the
test(s) too:
** Confused: Why a VCR with TBC if separate TBC needed anyway?

Looking forward to those tests also

(sorry, but you were so insistive about it in that thread, when I
was performing the tests with my equipment, hehe)

Cheers,
-vhelp 3779

Don't worry, I plan to.

Does Mitsubishi, Toshiba, or Sony have any others that would be good? Most people have been just talking about JVC and Panasonic recently. What to look for on Ebay?

Wile_E, I have two Mitsubishis, two Toshibas, two Sony's (although one has audio problems and neither are top of the line), a Philips (made by JVC, I think, but no TBC), and a couple of Pannys (and the AG-1980 on the way). I may do the test vhelp refers to above on all of them. If so, that may also help us see what vcrs we like or should look for).

And speaking of being insistent (as vhelp mentions I can be ), I'd really appreciate if you could do the test referred to above with your 9911 also. The Test DVD TS_VIDEO folder contents are available for DL from a link I posted in that thread.

[Wile_E]

Okay I downloaded the vob. I'll try and do the test in the next couple of days. I suppose I'll try all modes, auto/edit and turning off the DNR/TBC.

[BrainStorm69]

Okay I downloaded the vob. I'll try and do the test in the next couple of days. I suppose I'll try all modes, auto/edit and turning off the DNR/TBC.

Great, thanks alot! BTW, I have some preliminary pics on the Panasonic AG-1980 posted over here:

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=289311&start=60