Trouble With Taiyo Yudens

[Nightcrawler]

I'm confused and need some advice - I've been buying TY's (02 and 03) from supermedia store for several months. The first several batches I burned played fine in my DVD players - but the last couple batches will not play in my Sony or Phillips DVD players - in fact, the discs are not even recognized - but all the discs play fine in my 9yr old Toshiba.

I use NERO as the burning program, and use an NEC3550A burner.

The question is, could this just be a compatability issue with the discs, or is there an issue I'm overlooking ???

[FulciLives]

I hate to say it but supermediastore has been known to sell fake TY media as well as something called, I think, "budget" TY media.

Most people have found that the only 100% reliable on-line source of genuine non-budget TY media is RIMA.COM

So it could be the discs have "issues".

However I do see that you are burning with NERO and some versions of NERO do poorly at burning DVD Video discs. It is unfortunately next to impossible to keep track of this as it seems the ability of NERO to burn DVD Videos correctly changes from one "update" to the next.

As a result many have given up using NERO for DVD Video burning.

The favorite tool for that is ImgBurn ... a simple freeware program (that started out as DVD Decrypter) that is known to be one of the best if not the best program for DVD Video burning.

So try ImgBurn and if that doesn't solve your issues then ... send them back for a refund or another batch etc.

Some other things to consider:

1.) Make sure you have the most up-to-date version of the firmware for your DVD burner. Sometimes "hacked" firmwares are better than "official" firmwares.

2.) Try burning 8x media at 4x speed and try burning 16x media at 6x speed.

Good Luck and remember to keep us updated on the results of following this advise.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Nightcrawler]

Thanks for the quick response.

I will definately try IMGBurn - appreciate the advise

I have never tried updating my firmware - because until recently, I never had any problems. In fact, I've tried different brands of media, and they play fine on the DVD players in question.

I always burn at 6X - I do alot of burning, and found that the life of my burners was greatly decreased by burning at max speed all the time.

Thanks also for the advise about RIMA.com - I'll give them a try.

BTW, I did run the discs through DVDIdentifier, and both the working DVD's and non working DVD's show the same manufacturer - Taiyo Yuden

[Nightcrawler]

Just wanted to give a little update - I tried using IMGBurn, and I'm still having the same problem.

[FulciLives]

Just wanted to give a little update - I tried using IMGBurn, and I'm still having the same problem.

Well this is both bad and good.

Since ImgBurn is as good as it gets for burning software we can now rule out the burning software being an "issue" here. That's the "good" news.

The "bad" news is that you still have an issue of some sort. The "bright side" here is that at least you have narrowed it down somewhat.

My "hunch" if you will is that the media is to fault. Many of us here (those of us that have been here since the "early" days of DVD burning) know not to trust supermediastore. I bet Taiyo Yuden discs from RIMA.COM would be "issue" free.

Another option is to buy some 16x Verbatim DVD-R discs. Despite the fact that they are made in Taiwan they are just as good as real Taiyo Yuden discs.

BEST BUY and OFFICE MAX often have the 16x Verbatim DVD discs on sale. No such luck this week but BEST BUY does have a sell on the Sony 16x DVD discs this week (a 50 pack for $12.99). Now I know this might sound a bit convoluted but Sony packages that have a hex shaped foam piece on the top of the cake pack (as opposed to a perfect circle foam piece) is a "trick" to identifying that the package is Taiyo Yuden (simply "re-branded" by Sony). Finding such packs can be hard at times ... it is not unheard of to find 1 or 2 on a shelf that has 10 or 15 or 20 packs of non Taiyo Yuden Sony DVD discs.

So as you can imagine my suggestion is to try and buy genuine Taiyo Yuden media (via the Sony discs or RIMA.COM) or try Verbatim (chances are they will be on sale next week since they aren't this week) and see how those burn for you.

This of course is all based on the idea that the Taiyo Yuden discs you got from supermediastore are crap but it could be that your burner is "going" or needs a lens cleaning or that the DVD has some major authoring error, etc.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[CrayonEater]

I use an almost identical combo of everything - ND-3550a, originally with the 1.05 and now with the Liggy's 1.06 bitsetting firmware, 1,000+ TYG02 from Supermediastore, and Philips and Toshiba players, and Nero 7.0.8.2, and have had no problems, save for a few coasters or bad discs.

I HAVE noticed that my TYG02s lately from Supermediastore do not scan well, with total PIE errors of 4,000,000-6,000,000. However, the NEC is said to be a little fuzzy when it comes to error data. SMS also has been shipping them recently in 100-disc cake boxes, which I'm not too fond of.

[Nightcrawler]

I am so damn confused now. I bought some SONY DVD-R's today and burned on one of them - that disc will still not play on the Philips, yet it plays fine on my Toshiba, Sony and my CPU.

I've made discs for other people, and they've never once complained about them not working.


This is extremely frustrating.


Guess I just need to go back to Maxell's - I never once had any issues with them

[FulciLives]

What was the media code of the Sony DVD-R discs?

What model Philips are we talking about?

Also did you check to see that you have the best firmware for your DVD burner?

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[cyflyer]

Have you considered that your Philips may have just given up the ghost, it does happen. Does anything play on the Philips ? All the discs can't be faulty and not play at all.

[Nightcrawler]

I've never upgraded my firmware, because everything (besides the TY's) that I burn will play in my SONY.

I guess my main concern is, why did the first batch of TY's burn and play fine in my SONY, but none of the batches I've received then will play.

Oh well - I've got some TY's coming from Rima (so I'll know if the ones I've received from Supermedia lately are junk). I've also got some Verbatim coming - I've never used them, but it appears as though alot of people praise them, so if the TY's still don't work out for me, hopefully the Verbatims will.

[Capmaster]

Most people have found that the only 100% reliable on-line source of genuine non-budget TY media is RIMA.COM

Agreed. You could have gotten counterfeit TY media.

Let us know how the new Rima TYs work

[Bix]

I hate to say it but supermediastore has been known to sell fake TY media as well as something called, I think, "budget" TY media.

Most people have found that the only 100% reliable on-line source of genuine non-budget TY media is RIMA.COM

When was Super Media Store last alleged to sell fake TYs? It's been at least a couple years, and they've been making an effort to point out the differences between the real and fake discs for awhile now.

[JimmyJoeBob]

I hate to say it but supermediastore has been known to sell fake TY media as well as something called, I think, "budget" TY media.

Most people have found that the only 100% reliable on-line source of genuine non-budget TY media is RIMA.COM

When was Super Media Store last alleged to sell fake TYs? It's been at least a couple years, and they've been making an effort to point out the differences between the real and fake discs for awhile now.

I agree Bix, I have been using SMS TY disc's for about 2 years now. No fakes and they burn and play very well. Their web site has an excellent guide on how to tell if real or fake. TY's "Value Line" that are sold not only from SMS but other places have proven to be an excellent product for the money.

[Bix]

And here's their guide: http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-how-to-tell-fake-or-real.html

[44echo]

Now I know this might sound a bit convoluted but Sony packages that have a hex shaped foam piece on the top of the cake pack (as opposed to a perfect circle foam piece) is a "trick" to identifying that the package is Taiyo Yuden (simply "re-branded" by Sony).

I've been on the lookout for this as well. Someone mentioned it some months back. Unfortunately, the spindles I've seen recently have a paper advertisement of some sort over top of the foam piece, so you can't see it. Now I just look for "Made in Japan." I'm also sorry to say that I haven't found any as of late.

[FulciLives]

I guess some people are so adamant on getting a "deal" that they will even buy from a company that once proved themselves to be extremely shady, i.e., supermediastore.

I for one do not forgive so easily.

Also since RIMA.COM is a totally dependable and reliable seller of TY media I can't imagine using a dishonest retailer only to save a few bucks. We aren't talking a HUGE savings even!

Alas people and their memory seem to be damn selective these days be it from sheer ignorance or wanting to get a deal and to hell with dealing with the devil for it.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Bix]

Searched the forum...anyone have any old threads that identify fake TYs from SuperMediaStore? I didn't find any.

They deserve credit for explaining how to tell real TY from fake.

[FulciLives]

Searched the forum...anyone have any old threads that identify fake TYs from SuperMediaStore? I didn't find any.

They deserve credit for explaining how to tell real TY from fake.

I hope you are not implying that I am making this up?!?!?

Anyways this is such old news and with the search function of this website being what it is (which isn't the greatest) I am not surprised you didn't find it ... but that doesn't make it false.

Perhaps another old timer will chime in but so few of those these days *sigh*

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[Laddydaddy]

If I remember correctly some internet establishments weren't selling fake Taiyo Yudens per se, but were selling their house brand with Tayio Yuden media codes. I could be wrong but Sonic, Linkyo, and Matrix come to mind. Maybe another "old timer" can verify this.

I believe the budget Taiyo Yudens John speaks of are the "value line" discs. As far as I know most people consider these genuine TYs.

[videobread]

NightCrawler said:

"I have never tried updating my firmware - because until recently, I never had any problems. In fact, I've tried different brands of media, and they play fine on the DVD players in question."

Have you updated your firmware yet? I'd be willing to bet the disc's are OK. Firmware. Firmware Firmware. The TY's sold a year ago are not the same as the ones sold today. Updated firmware is required. Disc's are constantly changing.

I just do not believe SMS is selling fake TY's. That's become an urban myth on this site. Too many people are blaming disc's for their hardware's problems. If you have problems burning TY's, it is your hardware and most likely your burner's firmware. You can rule out the disc's as the source of your problems when using TY.

You have four units. NEC, Sony Toshiba and Philips. They all have firmware. Update your firmware on the NEC. I have four Pioneer DVR-111D's that I purchased in the last two months. I had to update the firmware right out of the box. I had pixilation problems with TY 8x. Now I don't.

I stay current with my hardware. I get rid of old units. I go with Pioneer exclusively because they support their current models and keep updating firmware. The older units don't get that support. I gave my A106's away. I gave my A109's away. You have to stay current with burners and firmware.

I sell DVD's. They have to play in all player with no pixilation. They do, because I use new Pioneer burners and I keep the firmware current.

[Bix]

Searched the forum...anyone have any old threads that identify fake TYs from SuperMediaStore? I didn't find any.

They deserve credit for explaining how to tell real TY from fake.

I hope you are not implying that I am making this up?!?!?

I'm not. I realized later I should've clarified because it came out looking like an attack when it wasn't.

If I remember correctly some internet establishments weren't selling fake Taiyo Yudens per se, but were selling their house brand with Tayio Yuden media codes. I could be wrong but Sonic, Linkyo, and Matrix come to mind. Maybe another "old timer" can verify this.

This sounds more familiar.

[classfour]

I've purchased two or three cheap discs with fake media codes: sonic's at shop4tech, some from newegg that they issued a refund on - real bad ones; and some at an unremembered internet store. All were clearly not TY media upon receipt: standard cake boxes, smelled like cheap plastic upon opening. ProDiscs from supermediastore at the time were superior.

After trying Verbatims, I finally started buying TYs from rima, supermediastore, and lately, shop4tech: All have been legitimate TY media, with the tape wrap, Japanese writing on the top of the package, and no noticeable plastic smell when opened. I really haven't noted a peachy aroma as described elsewhere, but an overall lack of smell. The discs are obvious upon touch: The edges are smooth and rounded (all cheap media that I've seen had a sharp edge, with verbatims and prodisc being square-edged but smooth), and the printing surface is smoother than the fakes - but not as slick as Verbatims.

In over a year and a half of buying TY media from rima, meritline, supermediastore, and shop4tech I have not received any fake media. I've always received exactly what I ordered. If I bought ValueLine TYs, that was exactly what I've received - they burn fine. If I ordered 8X printables on sale, or early on, 4X printables: That was what I received.

I have no complaints with these suppliers.

I would, however, not purchase TY media from an ebay vendor without a clear history of selling TY media.

[zdfreak]

What type of DVD's are you using +R or -R? I've had the same problems with my Phillips player, where as I was using -R discs. I switched to +R (TY,Verbatim, & SONY) for my Phillips. I haven't had a problem since. It's been known that Phillips was one of the first creators of the DVD (+R). And for some reason the dvd players do not like -R discs. Maybe the case for you? It won't hurt to try it..........good luck!!!!

[Nightcrawler]

Okay - I installed the firmware update, burned a new TY disc, and it still doesn't show up in my SONY

BTW - I am using -R's

I'm still waiting on my shipment of TY's from RIMA - hopefully they'll do the trick. If not, I'm gonna have to assume that it may be my players. It's strange, but I can't see any other reason why the first batch of TY's played just fine in my SONY, but nothing since.

Just a recap...

I'm burning with an NEC3550A
I burn all discs at 6X
I'm using TY's (-r, 16X) from supermedia store

My original batch of TY's played just fine in my SONY, but the subsequent batches (2) won't...although they do play fine in my Toshiba

[oldandinthe way]

How do the TYs do at 16x? 8x?

Slower is not necessarily better.

[Nightcrawler]

I burn at 6X because it seems as if continuously burning at 16X had shortened the life of my past burners considerably

[FulciLives]

I burn at 6x because that is the fastest speed that gives a constant burn ... if you go over that then the burner will ramp up and down in speed through-out the burn and I don't like that. I like when it burns at a constant speed from start to finish.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[lacywest]

Searched the forum...anyone have any old threads that identify fake TYs from SuperMediaStore? I didn't find any.

They deserve credit for explaining how to tell real TY from fake.

I hope you are not implying that I am making this up?!?!?

Anyways this is such old news and with the search function of this website being what it is (which isn't the greatest) I am not surprised you didn't find it ... but that doesn't make it false.

Perhaps another old timer will chime in but so few of those these days *sigh*

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

Up UP and away ... swoosh ... Lacywest swoops down ....

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lordsmurf

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Posted: Apr 26, 2005 11:51

The SMS house brand TY are fake too.

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[oldandinthe way]

Nightcrawler

You may prefer 6x burns, but what does the media you are unhappy with prefer?

[FulciLives]

That old thread that lacywest dug up (and thank you for that) is just one of many from a while back ... there were more than one thread about how shady some of the on-line bulk DVD sellers were and that list as I recall included both supermediastore and meritline although as I recall supermediastore seemed to be the bigger offender of the two.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman