Why Was this thread Locked? It wasnt Rented,Same As Ripping

[canadateck]

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=288316

Take alook Here

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=270764


Same as Ripping Protection from DVD's (Unless Rented).Makes not Sense to Call it warez.

Thanks

[Noahtuck]

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=288316

Take alook Here

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=270764


Same as Ripping Protection from DVD's (Unless Rented).Makes not Sense to Call it warez.

Thanks

Yep!!!
I've openly questioned similar such circumstances in the past but to no avail

[redwudz]

I did some further checking and it's a 'grey' area if you own it and are doing it for your own use. I'll unlock it for now.

[gll99]

Did the guy have unlimited use of the file ..ie not time limited.
In that case it could be considered just a fair use format conversion.
However if it's a time limited file then it's more like a rental.

I don't dl music so don't know about these files. I also tend to wonder when someone says they can't convert an aac or ac3 file because it may be a protected file and I'm not sure if I should comment to help them.

This must have been discussed with Baldrick. Maybe a couple of mods would be kind enough to clear that up.

oops posted late:

Would be good to set straight though

[waheed]

Did the guy have unlimited use of the file ..ie not time limited.
In that case it could be considered just a fair use format conversion.
However if it's a time limited file then it's more like a rental.

Not true. A good example is the region 1 version of T2: Extreme Edition which has the High Definition version of T2 playable in WMV being DRM protected and time limited for 5 days, in which case you need to download the license again to watch it.

[lordsmurf]

A good example is the region 1 version of T2: Extreme Edition which has the High Definition version of T2 playable in WMV being DRM protected and time limited for 5 days, in which case you need to download the license again to watch it.

Nice one.

[gll99]

Did the guy have unlimited use of the file ..ie not time limited.
In that case it could be considered just a fair use format conversion.
However if it's a time limited file then it's more like a rental.

Not true. A good example is the region 1 version of T2: Extreme Edition which has the High Definition version of T2 playable in WMV being DRM protected and time limited for 5 days, in which case you need to download the license again to watch it.

Like I said I don't know much about legally (purchased) downloaded audio files. I was under the impression that some had time limits like some downloaded rental movies. This is what I had in mind with my comment.

So if I understand correctly, the license is renewable every 5 days but is free after the initial purchase. You just need to go back online to revalidate your license. Then that could be seen as an unfair restriction on a purchase. In that case it is really a purchase but the seller is trying to maintain control to prevent redistribution. Treating everyone as a potential criminal is an infringement of your right to enjoy your purchase so in this case the principle of fair use should apply.
I understand Doom9 had a couple of threads dealing with this very controversial issue including methods and tools for those who hold valid licenses.

[waheed]

Thats more or less the case. You buy the DVD, you MUST download a license to watch the DVD because of DRM restrictions. Hence, you must have an active internet connection or you cant watch the legally purchased DVD.

And to make matters worst (for the case of me, I own T2 as well), as the DVD is region 1, when internet authetication occurs, it checks your IP to see where you are located. If you are outside of USA and Canada, you cant watch it or download the license. Period. Hard luck for those people (including myself) who have legally purchased the DVD outside of USA/Canana and cant watch it. (wonder why people are turning to piracy)

License lasts for 5 days, which you must download again after 5 days to watch it again.

This is basically what Blu Ray/HD DVD will be like if movie studios have their way.

PS. Sorry Mods for going a little Off Topic.

[gll99]

@waheed
Seems directly related to canadateck's question to me.

Actually you cleared up an important point for me. Worse than what you say is what if their servers go down then you are out of luck to watch the video you paid for. Worse still what if they decide to not renew and ask for payment again or the site closes down.

Something is seriously wrong with this one sided model. If Blu ray or HD DVD try that method they can forget my business.

[Cobra]

Something is seriously wrong with this one sided model. If Blu ray or HD DVD try that method they can forget my business.

Agreed. DVD is serving my viewing purposes just fine right now, and I don't see these newcomers to the market replacing DVD anytime soon - I know a couple of people who have just recently bought their very first DVD players! If it is restrictive, it should fail much more readily.

Not trying to be a Luddite here - I would love to see new technologies applied to provide better video quality and nicer audio, but I resent paying unfair prices for it and having to put up with new kinds of copy protection and "spyware".