Does anyone have and advc50 from canopus?

[ingeborgdot]

If you do I need a little info. The manual is a couple pages of not much info.

[edDV]

I have the ADVC-100.

Better you list your questions and describe what you are trying to do.

[ingeborgdot]

My 50 can be a pci plug in. If I do that do I need to connect the firewire port that is on the card? If I don't connect it to the pci slot then I need to connect the firewire port that is on the card to a firewire port to make it run. That is what the tech said. I forgot to ask him about pci connections.

[pippas]

My 50 can be a pci plug in. If I do that do I need to connect the firewire port that is on the card?

Yes - the ADVC50 only takes power from the PCI buss.

[ingeborgdot]

Well, when you say power do you mean from the power supply power because mine came with a bay for the 5.25 bay and I plug in the power with a 4 pin molex. If I use the pci slot it says to not connect any power cable (4pin molex) to it. My question was about the firewire cable attachment that is on the card itself. The tech said that I need to connect a cable to a firewire port and connect another to the advc50 to get it to run. My question was if I don't use the bay and connect it to the pci slot do I need to connect to firewire cord to get it to function. I thought that you could get the firewire info through the pci slot??

[edDV]

Well, when you say power do you mean from the power supply power because mine came with a bay for the 5.25 bay and I plug in the power with a 4 pin molex. If I use the pci slot it says to not connect any power cable (4pin molex) to it. My question was about the firewire cable attachment that is on the card itself. The tech said that I need to connect a cable to a firewire port and connect another to the advc50 to get it to run. My question was if I don't use the bay and connect it to the pci slot do I need to connect to firewire cord to get it to function. I thought that you could get the firewire info through the pci slot??

OK, I don't have one but from your description it can be plugged into the PCI bus and get power there or it an be used externally and power must be supplied from a different source. Which are you trying to do?

https://www.videohelp.com/capturecards.php?CaptureCardRead=150

XP can support multiple IEEE-1394 devices. No need to shut off the mother board ports.

[ingeborgdot]

I don't really have a preference of what to use. I just want to know how
about whether the pci slot hook up has to have the firewire port connected to another firewire port.

[edDV]

I don't really have a preference of what to use. I just want to know how
about whether the pci slot hook up has to have the firewire port connected to another firewire port.

I'm pretty sure, no. Plugged into the PCI bus, the card becomes an analog to DV hardware codec. Analog in, DV out like all the other ADVCs.

The IEEE-1394 port may or may not function as a IEEE-1394 port under DirectShow.

If it were me, I'd use the motherboard IEEE-1394 ports first for DV transfer or networking..

[ingeborgdot]

If it were me, I'd use the motherboard IEEE-1394 ports first.[/quote]

You mean use the bay and connect to the firewire port of connect to the pci?

[edDV]

You mean use the bay and connect to the firewire port of connect to the pci?

Are you trying to capture analog? If so ignor the IEEE-1394 ports. There are analog connections on the card.

If you are using the IEEE-1394 ports for DV device interface (like a MiniDV cancorder) or you if want to use IEEE-1394 for network connections, I'd use the motherboard ports before the one on the ADVC-50.

I'm not sure how the ADVC-50 connects from the PCI card to the front tray. Follow the installation instructions.

[edDV]

Looking at this
http://www.canopus.us/US/pdf/ds_advc50.pdf
it isn't clear how the card connects to the computer when mounted in the 5 1/2" inch bay. You have the installation instructions so tell me.

Externally mounted, the card clearly gets power from the Molex 4 pin. Do they interface to the computer with the "internal" IEEE-1394? That seems plausible . But you have the instructions. I don't.

[ingeborgdot]

The instruction manual was written by a first grader or by someone who knew all about it and expects everyone else to know. It is not very clearly written. It leaves out many things. When I talked to the tech he laughed and said It was written in Korea or China or someplace like that.

[ingeborgdot]

Externally it gets power from the molex. Right. Internally it gets power from the pci. My question is about the ieee port. When attached to the pci slot does it not now have ieee automatically? Because I know when it is not attached and attached in the bay you have to hook up an ieee cable to the port and connect it to an open ieee port to get it to recognize and power up the ieee.

[edDV]

Externally it gets power from the molex. Right. Internally it gets power from the pci. My question is about the ieee port. When attached to the pci slot does it not now have ieee automatically? Because I know when it is not attached and attached in the bay you have to hook up an ieee cable to the port and connect it to an open ieee port to get it to recognize and power up the ieee.

I see. That's what I thought they were doing for the external mounting.

As for PCI mounting this is what I would do. First look in XP Device Manager for the motherboard IEEE-1394 host controller. Then shut down and plug in the card. See if a second controller opens up.

The ADVC will most likely be connecting as a IEEE-1394 host controller over the PCI bus. My ADVC-100 shows up as a "AVC Compliant DV Tape Recorder/Player" under "Imaging Devices".

If you are going to connect a DV camcorder to the computer, I would use one of the motherboard IEEE-1394 ports rather than the one on the ADVC. Let them operate in parallel.

[ingeborgdot]

If you are going to connect a DV camcorder to the computer, I would use one of the motherboard IEEE-1394 ports rather than the one on the ADVC. Let them operate in parallel.

How would this work??

[edDV]

If you are going to connect a DV camcorder to the computer, I would use one of the motherboard IEEE-1394 ports rather than the one on the ADVC. Let them operate in parallel.

How would this work??

The ADVC is capping analog normally.

You could be capping analog, say off a cable box or VHS, while simultanously using the DV camcorder to monitor the editor (e.g. Premiere or Vegas).

I do all that off one IEEE-1394 controller.


VHS ----> ADVC-50 ----> PCI --> HDD
Under control of the capture program.

HDD ----> PCI ---> IEEE-1394 controller ----> DV camcorder ---> TV Monitor
Under control of the editing program.

[pippas]

Externally it gets power from the molex. Right. Internally it gets power from the pci. My question is about the ieee port. When attached to the pci slot does it not now have ieee automatically?

No - it only takes power from the PCI buss - you will still have to connect the firewire connector on the card to a IEEE1394 port, as I mentioned in my first post.
Sorry if ' the ADVC50 only takes power from the PCI buss' did not make that clear.

[ingeborgdot]

When you say power what are you meaning? Are you meaning power power like from the power supply? Or are you talking about ieee port power?

[pippas]

The ADVC50 requires about 800mA from the computer 5 volt supply, and 350mA from the computer 12 volt supply.
It can obtain this power from either the PCI buss or the 4 way Molex power connector.
It is not possible to power the ADVC50 from the Firewire connector - only the ADVC55 and ADVC110 have that option.
There are no IEEE1394 connections from the PCI buss. You will have to connect to IEEE1394 port using either the front mounted 4 way firewire connector, or from the 6 way internal firewire connector.

[ingeborgdot]

Ok, I know all about the power supply power. Either the molex or if I go pci slot that powers it up. So you are saying that if plugged into the pci the ieee port still won't function and I will still need to plug the ieee cord into the socket on the card and an open ieee port. I guess I get confused about that because are there not add on ieee cards that all you have to do is plug into the pci slot and now you have extra ieee ports?

[pippas]

So you are saying that if plugged into the pci the ieee port still won't function and I will still need to plug the ieee cord into the socket on the card and an open ieee port.

Yes

[ingeborgdot]

Got it. But can you tell me why? Am I wrong when I say about the extra ieee ports you can add??

[edDV]

There are no IEEE1394 connections from the PCI buss. You will have to connect to IEEE1394 port using either the front mounted 4 way firewire connector, or from the 6 way internal firewire connector.

Finally, someone that has the card.

I wish Canopus would make their manuals downloadable.

I guess I get confused about that because are there not add on ieee cards that all you have to do is plug into the pci slot and now you have extra ieee ports?

There are such cards but this isn't one of them. Either inside or outside the chassis you need to connect the ADVC50 card to an existing IEEE-1394 port.

You can still connect your camcorder to a second IEEE-1394 port as shown above.

[ingeborgdot]

Ok, so I got it. You have to hook an ieee cable to it. I have 2 internal connectors on my motherboard. I am getting a special cable that will connect for the mobod to the ieee connector on the card. I think I have that. Even if you put in on the pci slot you still connect an ieee cable.

Now, let's get this straight. If I want to connect something to the little connector on the front all I have to do is plug it in. The only cable that will plug into the front 4pin ieee is the special cable they sent with it. What if I want to plug into a 6pin ieee. What do I do. Get a cable with a female end and a male end and connect it to the cable they send or can I just connect it to the ieee cable on my case that will be connect to the ieee pins on my mobod. You guys are clearing things up but still just a little bit more. Thanks so much.

[redwudz]

The difference between 4 pin and six pin 1394A cables is that the six pin can carry power for some devices. A four pin to six pin cable is common as not too many devices use the six pin power.

A small external hard drive is one that can. I use a six pin to six pin to a 2.5" hard drive and it powers it.

There are also mini plug Firewire cables that are most all 4 pin. But there are mini to 4pin and mini to 6pin cables available also.

[ingeborgdot]

It does say in the manual that I can only use the cable supplied to plug into the 4pin. I have another 4pin from a camera but it does not fit. A little different shape. I was going to send a pic of the cabling inside of my computer to show you what the special cable I am using looks like but I can't get it to go.
How will I hook up a 6 pin to the advc50? What will I need to do? Will I need other cables? Could you lead me to some if so? Thanks again.

[ingeborgdot]

Here is the pic

[edDV]

Typical external firewire cables
http://www.cwol.com/firewire/1394_cables.htm

When posting pictures remove any spaces in the file name and it needs to be smaller that 150KB.

[ingeborgdot]

I understand what the cables look like but here is my question again. Sorry for so many. I have the 4 pin on the front used by 4 pin. I have the inside one connected to the internal mobod. How will I use a 6 pin to connect to the advc50? Where will I connect it???

[edDV]

Don't you have the external 6pin connector on your computer or the mobo to 6pin connector plate?

If not contact the mobo maker for it.

Something like this



http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://www.epoxstore.com/Product_Images/ieee13...ial_s%26sa%3DN