WOW - AMD XP really kicks

[randallc]

I just today upgraded from my AMD Thunderbird 1300mhz to an AMD XP 1600+ (which actually runs at 1400mhz).

I encoded the same clip on the old cpu and with the new cpu so I could guage the difference in speed.

WOW - its is an amazing 40% faster! damn!

This was with a DVD ripped, using a D2V file and encoding with TMPGEnc. I'm so happy that TMPGEnc took such a huge increase in performance from the new instructions in the AMD XP. This really made my day.

btw - fwiw, the numbers are:

[2Pass encode - SVCD MPEG2 at 720x480 (xSVCD)]
1300mhz TBird: 2.8 fps
1600+ AMD ZP: 4.7 fps

I didn't test VCD as it pretty much sucks in comparison to SVCD.



Randy

[sommersby]

I agree, installed XP this weekend, ran all video capture and encoding programs including dvd rip, all ran perfect with about a 10-20 percent increase in speed!

[randallc]

Are you talking Windows XP or the AMD XP cpu?

I'm talking about the AMD XP CPU.

[ember]

I tried encoding a film on Win XP - using TMPGEnc2.0 - that I had encoded on win98. There is no change in time taken to encode.

[alexb]

I just purchased 1600+XP, 256 SDRAM, 40Gb 7200RPM,G4ceMX 400,24X Sony burner and using my old Samsung 12x DVD

Results are as follows.
90 min Movie

Encoding (TMPGEnc): 2h 15m
Smartripper: 6min
DVD2AVI : 9 min

2 1/2 hours all together. Very happy with it.

[OnErr0r]

I should get an AMD, my room is cold with this weather

http://scali.eu.org/AMD.txt

[homerpez]

AMD seriously rocks. Forget the overclocking crap, for geeks only.

I just hope my MB supports the XP (Athlon 1600 XP chip that is)... I have a 1 Ghz now...

What's so special about it? Just curious, since you said you had a 1300 Mhz before, and the XP is only 1400 MHz... what's the difference?

If I find out before you all respond, I'll post whatever I find out.

[randallc]

the AMD XP includes the SSE instruction set. WOW what a difference it makes when a program is written to take advantage of it (as TMPGEnc is.)




Randy

[Sefy]

homerpez, any Socket A with 266mhz bus will support the AMD XP cpu's, at the most you will need a BIOS update, which if you still don't have, i suggest you email your board manufacturer and ask for one, I know EPoX already has one for my board

[StudeBarc]

Yo, AMD Athlon XP 1600+, Rules. Just went from 1gig Athlon Ran at 1.4 no probs to XP 1600+ on Asus A7v266e with 512meg DDR. In CCE2.5 thru DVD2SVCD VBR 4pass at 1.6 X actual speed each pass. Now that is seriously quick!!! Curious though with TMPGEnc is it still being optimised around Pentium instruction set? Hmm i'll do a compare on TMPGEnc and see how it goes.
Luv my XP1600+

[Sefy]

I'm surprised we aren't hearing any P4 lovers trying to bash the XP, i'm planning on getting the 1600XP as well, for 106$ it's one heck a CPU upgrade

Heck, maybe I can sell my T-Bird 1ghz for the same price it would cost me to import a XP1600 CPU, wish me luck guys! i'm going to jump on the wagon!

[randallc]

My delivered cost on the AMD XP 1600+ and ECS K7S5A motherboard was under $175. Tough to rationally bash that.


Randy

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[Sefy]

I'm form Israel, I doubt my delivery will be cheap, either way, i'm only gonna get the CPU, my mainboard is confirmed to support it, although I do wish I had bought the 3x512mb DDR a month ago, it was 50$ per 512mb unit, now it went up to over 90% and even SDR is starting to climb back up for some reason.

[Shabubu]

Just to defend the other side, go to http://www.tomshardware.com and see what happens when he takes the heatsink off an athlon and a P4. Yep the p4 survived, and the athlon... it's fun to see silicon bubble

I'd still go athlon though.

[Sefy]

Why would anyone be idiot to take of the cooler off the CPU ? you'd have to be pretty low on IQ to do that, and if you did, well, that's your fault.

I've got an AMD T-Bird 1000, and the same cooler, and it hasn't fried on me yet, no errors and no nothing.

[Kdiddy]

A) tomshardware is crap, they've been in bed with Intel since day 1

B) Again, what idiot would remove the fan?, I love it when people talk about, well if you this or that to an AMD chip it won't perform good, well duuuuh. However, if you treat it as you normally should, it performs great. For common user, IE, thus who just surf the net & use office documents, the majority of PC users, AMD is the best bang for the buck especially the XP. I only give the nod INTEL high end gaming & CAD type apps.

[Shabubu]

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On 2001-11-29 17:24:20, Sefy wrote:
Why would anyone be idiot to take of the cooler off the CPU ? you'd have to be pretty low on IQ to do that, and if you did, well, that's your fault.

I've got an AMD T-Bird 1000, and the same cooler, and it hasn't fried on me yet, no errors and no nothing.

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The excercise is actually to show what would happen if you had a fan FAILURE !!!!,

and to kdiddy he actually prefers AMD, just knows that Intel are better for the server market and high end professionall use (i.e. money no object).

[randallc]

Tom likes both Intel and AMD. This should show he's no in bed with Intel...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q4/011031/index.html

LOL - I love that picture.

[Vejita-sama]

To be fair I went to Tomshardware trying to find this article (couldn't) but did find one that states that the AMD 1800XP beats the P4/2000 for both MP3 and MPEG4 encoding!

I've got a Tbird 1.2Ghz 266Mhz now and really love it. Plan to upgrade to either a 1800XP or 1900XP, 2-3mo after the 2000XP comes out. Projecting that this will cut my encode times by 50%!

[Shabubu]

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On 2001-11-29 18:09:10, Vejita-sama wrote:
To be fair I went to Tomshardware trying to find this article (couldn't) but did find one that states that the AMD 1800XP beats the P4/2000 for both MP3 and MPEG4 encoding!

I've got a Tbird 1.2Ghz 266Mhz now and really love it. Plan to upgrade to either a 1800XP or 1900XP, 2-3mo after the 2000XP comes out. Projecting that this will cut my encode times by 50%!
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Thankyou, someone who comments AFTER they look at the site

The articles here btw http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html

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[Kdiddy]

First of all I didnt have to look....and did not make my statement on just that particular, Ive made it base upon what Ive read on Toms for years.

[tinycorkscrew]

kdiddy - "I only give the nod INTEL high end gaming & CAD type apps."

High end gaming? Name one game that runs faster on a 2ghz P4 than on a XP 1900. Even Quake 3 (which has always run faster on Pentiums) runs faster on the 1900. On newer games (Serious Sam, Max Payne, etc) the AMD blows the Pentium away.

Somehow (the cute commercials with the aliens?) Intel has led people to believe that the P4 is faster with multimedia and gaming. It's not.

[Kdiddy]

Before this gets seriously out of hand, I could give 2 flying f*cks about what beat whats & where to be honest, I surely dont even care to argue about which chip is better..I was just commenting on Tomshardware on the fact that when people DO argue about chip is better,...that you get those who want to argue about how the chips will perform in conditions that majority of time will not happen...yes a fan can fail, and of the 20+ plus computers Ive had/have, only 1 has done so....an even it didnt just blow up in a ball of smoke, most fans die a "slow death"...basically you can hear it when it starts to go bad.

[tinycorkscrew]

I definitely agree with kdiddy's last point.

Who cares what happens in a test that simulates something that rarely happens in the real world? It's up to the user to make sure that the heatsink is mounted properly and working.

By the way, there is freeware software (K7 Tiger Temp) that will warn you if your processor reaches a certain temp and shut the computer down if the processor reaches a higher temp. So if anyone is really worried about that happening, just get that nice little program.

[volswagn]

I'm thinking of getting a P4 1.8 and am planning on making use of the 400Mhz FSB. Doesn't that factor into the debate at all? I won't be using it in the future, but RAMBUS is so cheap, I'm sure I could put together a pretty good video editing/gaming system with the RB memory & 400Mhz FSB/P4?

[tinycorkscrew]

If you're comfortable with the Intel, go ahead and buy it. In the end, all the matters is that you're happy with whatever computer you buy.

Personally, I had bought (and still own) two Pentium computers in the past. I never even considered AMD. However, while building my most recent computer, I wanted the best components available. The AMD processors I chose beat the top-of-the-line P4 in the majority of benchmarks, and the AMD was best at every benchmark that mattered to me. So even though I had never bought anything but Pentium processors, I bought AMD because I wanted the best performance. The fact that I was able to put a system together for $800 less than a comparable Pentium system was nice, too.

As for RAMBUS, the bandwidth is nice but RAMBUS also has a very high latency. Even though it's cheaper now than it used to be, it's still more expensive than DDR. Personally, I'd rather have a gigabyte of DDR than 512k of RAMBUS.

RAM is nice for video editing, but doesn't matter very much for capturing or encoding, which are dependent on the hard drive and processor(s), respectively.

[Sefy]

I'm gonna be brief here and comment to everyone who posted some noted which seem to go without a reply.

volswagn, P4 does NOT have a 400Mhz bus, it's a 100mhz QuadPumped! and considering RDRAM's performance is highly overrated (like everything Intel does) it's true performance in the real world isn't even half close.

Kdiddy, I absolutly agree with yourlast sentence, if your fan is about to die, you will HEAR it, and know it's time to get a new one!

As for benchmarks, on Tom's Hardware, and Ace's Hardware and practicly anyone's Benchmarks, XP practicly beats the crap out of a P4 at any day and any time.

[sommersby]

What mother board did you use with your XP?

[randallc]

I got the ECS K7S5A, only $55 and its awesome. Its not an overclockers motherboard but everything else is spot on. At half the price of competing models I had to go for it.

One big drawback to it is the very limited FSB selections, I was able to boot into WinXP running with a 150mhz FSB, but then it froze. I have a feeling that if the BIOS allowed me to bump up the voltage it would run find like that. damn!

Even still, I got a small increase from the operating 1400mhz to 1450mhz by using a "hacked" bios that offers 138mhz FSB. Great motherboard, I'd recommend it highly. Nice having built in LAN (and sound) too.

Randy

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[tigerwolf]

You know in reality, pentium 4 and athlon xp are pretty close, many of the benchmarks show differences that the average use won't even notice. Plus its not just the processor but everything that makes the big difference.

what type of motherboard you use as well as the chipset on it, the hard drive, vid card, cd-rom, all play a part.
just like are you running scsi or ide, most scsi drives take less load on the system then their ide counterparts.

the only thing that AMD has done that bugs me is the way they mark their systems now. Such as 1600+ which runs at 1400.

does it really matter whether someone has a p4 or an athlon xp?

though I do wonder if the athlon could take a true full out workload non-stop in the role of server.

Okay another interesting question, does anyone know if they make a multi-processor athlon board? I haven't seen one, but imagine there is one.

though it does appear that majority of the battle with intel and amd is in the consumer market, which most consumers look at price.

on a side note I love this headline
"Sun Opens New Processor Design Compute Ranch "

an apple is an apple, they just taste a little different
when you bite into them, but doesn't change what it is.