SVCD AND MINI-DVD ON ONE CD-R!!! IT'S GREAT!!!

[laurens]

cDVD or mini-DVD is great, but only few stand alone players suport it. SVCD is near DVD quality and great also but menu creation is a bit of a problem (see my other post) and software based DVD players don't allways work with svcd. Some of my friends have only a computer, no DVD and other vice versa.
It would be nice if we could have hi-quality Mpeg 2 video's with advanced dvd menu's, easy UI etc for Apple or PC playback, AND the ability to see the movie on TV using a standalone DVD player.
--movies shouldn't be on computers anywayz--

anywayzz.. I FOUND THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!

I burn both on one CD! How? It's easy. More easy than trying to create moving svcd menu's
these are the steps:

1. encode your video with your favorite mpeg encoder.
encode in two resolutions. For both DVD and SVCD.

2. author a cDVD with your favorite DVD authoring tool. Don't use any authoring tools you dont like, they will be a pain to work with. Burn a cDVD. Copy the folders video_ts and audio_ts to harddisk.

3. for your svcd, multiplex your encoded audio and video into a .mpg file using TMPEGENCODER.

4. open nero 5.5 (demo available). Select new-->svcd. Drag
your .mpg file onto the cd layout. With this you created a svcd structure. Now drag your copied video_ts and audio_ts folder from your harddisk into the root of your SVCD layout. With this you have your dvd content on disc also.

5. Pres the burn button.

6. Get ready to be happy..

7. Be happy!!!

Now you have a disc that shows DVD-video on your PC and SVCD-video on a standalone dvd player!
Goodluck!

PS. if you like this info, post a reply. That way it will stay in top of the list and others can benefit from the info...

I shot my movie on 16mm kodak/eastman film, scanned it to digital betacam, captured it with voodoo d1 desktop via SDI input to uncompressed video, did my editing in finalcut pro, colorcorrection and compositing in adobe after effects and combustion, encoded it with cinemacraft sp, authored my dvd with dvd-it and my svcd with nero, burned them on one cd-r: AND IT LOOKS GREAT!!

hope you'll have as much fun as i..


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[kabanero]

Hey laurens,
When you put this hibrid disk in standalone DVD player, what does it play:
MidiDVD or SVCD?

[Ciovo]

I think it will play SVCD ....

[Ciovo]

I think it will play SVCD ....

This hybrid is made in order to have the possibility to watch something also in standalone DVD player (because most don't support miniDVD).

[laurens]

Standalone players start looking for dvd media or dvd content. If your standalone player supports mini-dvd it wil play mini-dvd. If your standalone player does not support mini-dvd it wil start looking for svcd and it will find it.

[mfh]

thank you for doing all the hard work and working this out.
I'm a newbie at this but pls see my post below re burning mpegs from archive.org avg 10-20 mins each.

http://www.vcdhelp.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=52166&forum=1&2


I'd love to burn cDVDs & SVCDs from them - I confess I'm an absolute idiot whne it comes to this stuff - which authoring tool should I use and exactly how do i do it - just point me to the web page or some pointers would be helpful

thanks
mark
"Friends don't let friends burn mp3"

[laurens]

Hi MFH,

making a miniDVD/SVCD from your archive.org movies is quite easy, it can be done in minutes!

Just use tmpgenc (freeware) to resize your movies to dvd and svcd format. Make sure to convert to the right size and bitrate.
Try n get nero 5.5 (demo available)and dvd-it or other dvd auther prog. Follow my previous described steps...Done!

Give it a try it's that easy!

[kitty]

But how many minutes long are your films. miniDVD takes up alot of space and SVCD is no small potato either. With both aren't you limited to 10-15 mins max?

[laurens]

hello kitty!
About your potato story, you'r right. Better don't try this if you want to make a backup of your dvd collection. But why would you? The hybrid part solves a compatibilaty problem you'll encounter when you want to give a regular svcd or cdvd to your friends. That's the benefit!
At 5 mbps for dvd and 2.6 mbps for for the svcd part you'll be able to put about 11 minutes on disc. If you lower the datarate to say both 2.4 mbps (stil good image) you can put 17 minutes on disc. If you want longer movies on your disc, you can always speed your movie up before encoding and play it back in slow motion.

My films take up max 15 minutes so for me this is an outcome..

[xms]

"If you want longer movies on your disc, you can always speed your movie up before encoding and play it back in slow motion. "


Laurens,

Could you please elaborate on this i.e. how much exactly to speed up and how (by changing clip speed in premiere?).
e.g. will reducing speed to 50% and then playing it at 2X speed on the dvd player result it normal motion with perfect audio?

I will appreciate a detailed reply.
Thanks in advance.

[laurens]

sorry xms,

the part about slowing down and speeding up was intended as a joke. Although most dvd players play well at diferent speed, you would loose audio.

[vitualis]

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On 2001-07-28 14:37:07, laurens wrote:
Now you have a disc that shows video on your pc and standalone dvd player!
Goodluck!</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR size=1 color=black></TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you actually tried this? I think not.

1. miniDVDs do not work on most stand-alone players
2. You haven't even made a miniDVD. For miniDVDs to be even recognised as a DVD structure on those few players that support it, you at least have to burn the CD with the correct DVD structure and filesystem. DVDs don't use ISO9660 (which is what the filesystem of a S/VCD is in).

3. As other people have stated, you are limiting the video time on your disc to only a handful of minutes.

Regards.

[pacmania_2001]

Vitualis is right, most DVD players dont support cDVD. In fact more support SVCD than it. If you wanted a really compatible disk you should make a hybrid of VCD and SVCD. You could have a really high quality VCD and a SVCD. If you wanted advanced menus you can do them on VCD and SVCD. Also on the multi angle issue, most ppl would never be able to do these. Plus with this hybrid you could put longer video on it

[laurens]

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No, duh, that's why the standalone player plays the SVCD part of the disc!!!
Once again: the standalone player sees it as SVCD and plays the SVCD, the computer sees it as a mini-DVD and plays the mini-DVD.

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No, duh, that's why when you put the disc in a PC it plays the miniDVD part!!!! The pc don't care if the filesystem is UDF or ISO9660.

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Yes I know, I was one of the people pointing that out!!

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To this I reply: Virtualis, have you even read my story? I think not.

Regards.

[vitualis]

I apologise for misunderstanding your post. I didn't read your first long post but read this:

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A stand-alone DVD (even on the few that support miniDVD) will never play an ISO disc as a DVD.

Regards.

[laurens]

at this point i must agree.
i made a mini-dvd program same as the svcd program so it was hard to tell the difference.
but you're right about this disc only playing the svcd part on a standalone player.

[Dhruv]

Is there a way to make a hybrid VCD/Audio CD or a hybrid Audio CD/mpeg files (to be read in computer)?

[zx80]

Actually I'd be very interested to hear about combining VCD and SVCD formats on the same disc, if this is even possible.
Particularly if I could also have a shared JPG slideshow w/ audio.
Thanks in advance!

[vitualis]

@Dhurv,

hybrid VCD/audio CD: VCD2.0 already supports CD-DA tracks. I believe VCD Toolkit can make such discs.

hybrid audio CD/data CD: You can already make mixed audio/data CD with most CD burning programs (e.g., Nero, Easy CD Creator).

@zx80,

You cannot have a mixed VCD/SVCD. If you are only interested in hi resolution still images, VCD2.0 is more than adequate as it supports that same high res images as SVCD and is better supported.

Regards.

[zx80]

Michael,
Thanks for your advice. I doubted that a combo VCD/SVCD was possible given their file hierarchies, but the confirmation is nice to have.
I've used VCD2.0 sucessfully to produce hi-res slideshows, so I'll continue with that technique.
Cheers!