DVD conversion problem's

[maxheadroom]

hi
i have been trying to convert a couple of films into dvd format, progs i have tried
neodvd, dvdsanta, nero6, divxtodvd and canopus precoder2
all have the same results either jumpy/jerky playback or the sound is out of sync. probably half the fims i have done are ok but the other half come out like this. The one's i am having problems with work perfectly fine on my pc, and its not my writer or media as i can see the jumpy/jerky problem in the preview, so its got to be in the conversion. ive checked with G-Spot and looks like the films are XVID and i have 4 compatible codec's.
any help please as im starting to pull my hair out now, Thanks

[Krispy Kritter]

You may want to try converting from xvid to mpeg2 with a standalone app such as tmpgenc before you author the disc.

[reboot]

He's already used Canopus Procoder, why go backwards to tmpgenc?

What are the aspect ratios, framerates, audio codec, and running times of the Xvid's?
If you're doing a framerate change, say from PAL to NTSC, it'll be jerky and out of sync.
If you've got a 23.976 NTSC source, and you're encoding to 29.97 without pulldown, it'll be jerky.

[maxheadroom]

aspect ratios, hope ive got this right, 576x240 (2.40:1) [=12:5]

frame rate 25.000 bitrate 836 kb/s

runtime 01:41:05 (151,636 fr)

audio codec, The following codecs all claim to be capable of processing this format:

--> {XviD MPEG-4 Codec}
{DivX Decoder Filter}
--> {XviD MPEG-4 Video Decoder}
{DivX Decoder Filter}

video codec, The following codecs all claim to be capable of processing this format:

--> {XviD MPEG-4 Codec}
{DivX Decoder Filter}
--> {XviD MPEG-4 Video Decoder}
{DivX Decoder Filter}

would post a screen shot of G-Spot but my webspace is down at the mo
not sure but isnt 25.000 fps PAL ?

[reboot]

Yes, that's an anamorphic widescreen PAL video.
In Canopus, select output to be 23.976fps NTSC with 3:2 pulldown.
I would recommend ripping the audio out of the avi, in virtualdub (audio, full processing...then file, save .wav)
Encode only the video in Canopus, then author.

[maxheadroom]

i want to keep this in PAL Reboot

[reboot]

Oh (DUH!) I read well, don't I? heh...

Have you got the latest XviD?
Having too many different versions can cause headaches. I would uninstall all Xvid codecs, then just install the newest. Gspot only reports 1 valid Xvid on my system, so this might be the place to start.
Have you got ffdshow installed?
What bitrate are you encoding to?
What's the running time (over 2 hrs)?
Have you tried 2 pass VBR?

You can post a screenshot here. just click the post reply button, and look down a bit, attach a pic.

[maxheadroom]

Oh (DUH!) I read well, don't I? heh...

Have you got the latest XviD?
Having too many different versions can cause headaches. I would uninstall all Xvid codecs, then just install the newest. Gspot only reports 1 valid Xvid on my system, so this might be the place to start.
Have you got ffdshow installed?
What bitrate are you encoding to?
What's the running time (over 2 hrs)?
Have you tried 2 pass VBR?

You can post a screenshot here. just click the post reply button, and look down a bit, attach a pic.

do you want a screen shot of G-Spot?
I havent got ffdshow instaled, do you think i need it?
dont know about the bitrate, i just put the films into neodvd make sure its on PAL and DVD
dont know about running time, not quite sure if i understand the question
and dont know about the 2 pass VBR sorry i am a bit of a noob.

i do think it might be codec related though, i may have too many divx, kazza codec pack, ect. wheres the best place to get the up to date codecs?

thanks for your help reboot

[reboot]

First uninstall EVERY codec pack, or standalone codec you have.
Open the file in Gspot, then post screenshot.
Find what Gspot reports the movie codec(s) to be. One for video, one for audio.
Download and install ONLY that codec. Don't download and install it if you already have it!

[DarrellS]

>>Have you tried 2 pass VBR? <<

That seems to be the biggest mistake that people who are uploading their XviD movies on the internet are making. Using VBR audio in an AVI.

They may play back OK in most PC players but the second you try to edit them or convert them to DVD, audio sync problems are almost 100% guaranteed.

I've spent the last month converting 24 such files to DVD and it was a major pain. The 23.976 files could be fixed with the Virtualdub (and Goldwave) method that you mentioned (a whole lot of work that could've been avoided if they were encoded correctly in the first place) but the way that I ended up fixing the two odd 24.11 files in the bunch were to save the wave file (using Virtualdub), change the framerate of the XviD to 23.976 and direct stream copy, reopen the file and check to see how long the movie is, open the wave file in Goldwave and timewarp the file to the same length of the move and then add the wave file to the AVI, edit as needed and recompress the file to XviD/MP3. CBR, not VBR. Convert XviDs to VOB using DivXToDVD and added menus and burned with TDA.

Most of those headaches would've been avoided if they would've used CBR audio in the first place.

[reboot]

DarrellS, don't confuse 2 pass VBR video encoding with VBR mp3 audio content in an avi.

[Dilemma]

maxheadroom

To fix your sync problems what you need to do is demultiplex then remultiplex. <---Ask if you need further explaining. I used to have the same problem with xvid avis and now its completely gone. Personally I think you should use Mainconcept Mpeg Encoder. That little proggy also fixed the jerkiness. Just try it and you will see what I'm talking about.

[DarrellS]

DarrellS, don't confuse 2 pass VBR video encoding with VBR mp3 audio content in an avi.

What is the advantage of two pass encoding? I hear this technique mentioned alot.
How much longer does it take to do a 2 pass encode and is it worth the extra time to do this type of encode.

As for the VBR MP3 encodes, maybe someone could post a sticky note stating to never use this compression and to explain to everyone why. Not sure why everyone is encoding their XviDs this way. If there is an MP3 codec that uses VBR by default then it should be listed as a "not to use" codec.

Not sure if that would help since people warn about installing codec packs and a huge number of people still install the codec packs. Easier than tracking down the 4 or 5 codecs that they'll need I guess.

[reboot]

How much longer does it take to do a 2 pass encode and is it worth the extra time to do this type of encode.

Twice as long, and only YOU can tell if it's better or not. (too many variables).

As for the VBR MP3 encodes, maybe someone could post a sticky note stating to never use this compression and to explain to everyone why. Not sure why everyone is encoding their XviDs this way. If there is an MP3 codec that uses VBR by default then it should be listed as a "not to use" codec.

Nobody here encodes that way, just those ID10T's who think they know every trick in the book to post their pirated crap on the net.

[maxheadroom]

ok im just tryin to go through the uninstaling of codec's first, ive uninstaled all i can find but G-spot is showing this now

DSH Nero Digital AVC Video Enc ** Codec not registered

DSH DIVX DivX Decoder Filter ** Codec not registered

DSH 3IV1 3ivx D4 Video Decoder ** File Missing: G:\K-Lite Codec Pack\3ivxDSDecoder.ax

[reboot]

It shows you have Xvid, needed for this video.
It shows you have mpeg layer 3 decoder, as above.
Rip the audio separately in virtualdubmod.
Load the avi as video source, and the .wav as audio source, encode.

[DarrellS]

>>Twice as long, and only YOU can tell if it's better or not. (too many variables).<,

Since speed is always an issue with me, it doesn't sound like it would be worth my time.

>>Nobody here encodes that way, just those ID10T's who think they know every trick in the book to post their pirated crap on the net. <<

The guys on Virtualdub said it's people who are bored with the good old reliable ways of encoding AVI who are always looking for new and different ways of doing things. I figured it was either people on this site or the Doom site which were teaching bad encoding practices since they're the two biggest video sites and it doesn't just seem to be a couple of users but the majority of the internet comunity that that uploads XviD clips. Legal or illegal. I haven't heard anyone here preaching those techniques and I'm not very familiar with Doom9.

I hear alot of people rave about Matroska (spelling?) but I guess I'm just old fashioned and too comfortable doing things the way I'm used to. Some of the codecs have gotten better along the way but my video editing techniques are still pretty much the same.

[reboot]

Most of the people using new and unconventional encodes for the web, are not the same people that frequent BBS's like this one. We (mostly) all know the problems associated with ogg, matroska, vbr mp3, etc.
Sure, maybe they're bored, which is maybe why they do such silly things, to try and prove their supremacy in the warez community.
I really have no idea, but I also have no use for people that do such strange encodes, for whatever reason.

[maxheadroom]

why do they encode? wouldnt it be easyer and quicker just to do the .vob files

[reboot]

.vob's are too big.
I think the ultimate challenge is to get the smallest file size, at the highest quality, without using any MS products/formats.

[nbarzgar]

Hello,

I have a very similar problem and since this thread deals with it, I just chime in: I have an avi, tried to encode with Mainconcept, CCE, Canopus Procoder and regardless if I use "video-only" encoding or "a/v-encoding", it always comes out jerky. It IS audio with VBR, BUT the video alone, encoded without the audio, plays back jerkily.

I also use G-Spot and it shows, codecs are installed, rendering successful...
(see screenshot)
Any suggestions will be appreciated!


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[reboot]

It's an anamorphic PAL.
If you're trying to make NTSC, it'll probably be jerky.
It'll get worse if you're upscaling it to 720x480/576.

[nbarzgar]

Thanks, I leave it PAL, but I have more than once resized files to larger resolution, almost every time with good and excellent success, e.g. using "LanczosResize" from AviSynth.
8)
Is there a solution other than that to this kind of problem...?

[Supreme2k]

Hey bugster, you sure you're not jumping the gun here? I know the warez police are (is) in full force today, but maybe a coincidence?

Remember?

But just because someone used the word 'download' it is not safe nor fair to automatically assume warez. Remember, there are quite a few porn site that allow downloading of full length divx/xvid version of DVD's and quite a lot of download only material (or so I hear ).

So, unless the OP says the file name is something like "Hitchhikers.cam.divx.avi", then we cannot assmume warez, it would be unfair to do so. If you aren't happy with a post, report it or ignore it. Do not jump on the poster just because the word 'download' or 'divx/xvid' was used.

Maybe it's "Bridget the Midget"

[reboot]

I would encode at half D1, highest bitrate and motion search precision possible.
For that framesize, 750kbps Xvid bitrate isn't much.
Using avisynth, with CCE, do at least 3 passes.

[nbarzgar]

You certainly DO jump to conclusions...! What kind of an assumption is this? A path to a file on my system might mean anything, don't you think?? It's interesting to note what conclusions you in fact ARE coming to!!!

@all-who-like-to-know:
Anyway, I solved the problem myself; although G-Spot showed "x-no. of codecs installed", still XviD was actually NOT included on my system. I installed it, and - now everything is fine.

[richdvd]

You certainly DO jump to conclusions...! What kind of an assumption is this? A path to a file on my system might mean anything, don't you think?? It's interesting to note what conclusions you in fact ARE coming to!!!

LMAO...just a bit obvious buddy.

[DarrellS]

LMAO...just a bit obvious buddy

I just did a Google search and got three hits on the exact file. Same file name and size. One was even from the [EFNet] bit torrent site.

One site had a username and keycode so it's possible that the file was purchased but highly unlikely.

[nbarzgar]

I did not know that, so...well: sorry.
Won't happen again.

[DarrellS]

I think the point is to not be so obvious. If everyone knows you're downloading DVDs off the internet, they'll be less likely to help.

Don't come out and say, and alot of people do, I downloaded a bunch of illegal copies of DVDs from torrent sites on the internet and I need to know how to burn them to DVDs so I can sell them at the flea market or how do I convert DVD movies to XviDs so I can upload them to the internet for millions to download freely.