HELP!!! I've ripped DVD -> AVI, but Premier don't like it

[BMORIN]

HELP!!! I've ripped DVD -> AVI, but Premier don't like it

I used #1 DVD Ripper to rip a DVD to a single .avi file using divx 4.2.1. My machine will play the .avi file just fine. Even when I use Premier 6.5 to "open" the file, it will open it and play it.

HOWEVER, when I start a new project, I CANNOT IMPORT MY AVI FILE TO EDIT IT. As soon as I try to import, Premiere crashes. I have tried several different codecs with my #1 DVD Ripper but the result is always the same when I try to import the .avi.

Can anyone tell me what's going on? I desperately need to get the stuff from this DVD editted.

Thx

[junkmalle]

What codecs did you use in your AVI file? I think Premiere is very limited in the AVI codecs that it can import. Try a DV codec.

[reboot]

Why rip to avi?
Cannot Premiere work with mpeg?
It would sure save a ton of time in re-encoding.

[BMORIN]

What do you mean "work with mpeg?" It's all .vob files on the disc, right? I use the #1 DVD Ripper to get 'em to .avi so I can edit them, right?

[dcsos]

Here's the deal on Premiere and MPEG-2 its very iffy and often CRASHES or RE-COMPRESSES, when it should JOIN or just CLIP..
There are several overpriced HELPER APPLICATIONS that allow MPEG-2 to be JOINED not re-rendered.
One is called MAIN CONCEPT MPEG-PLUG IN

AVI is the correct choice therefore for editing in PREMIERE.
It is mysterious when PREMIERE refuses to "see the VIDEO"
on a codec oviously installed on yer system..
This is often just due to the fact that PREMIERE's install PRE-CEEEDED
the CODEC and tho the sysmem will play the file, even within PREMIERE will play it as a clip
BUT THE KEY TEST, playing the TIMELINE, shows audio and BLACK picture..
YOU NEEED TO REINSTALL FIRST THE CODEC then pREMIERE
this'll fix it (what a pain)

*Premiere rarely works on VOB's directly anyway because of the AC3 which it cannot import*

[Abond]

@BMORIN
There is mpeg2 video inside the vobs. Delultiplex it.

[dcsos]

and do what with the sound?
...right above your comment I stated why you cannot import vobs into PREMIERE..
even if its demux, you face 2 insurmountable obstacles
1. Premiere doen't accept ac3 audio
2. premiere doesn't properly edit mpeg-2 files

If you have different procedural eidence post it and the corresponding methodology.... and not the
CRYPTIC post above "DEMUX IT"

[Baldrick]

FrameServe
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261416

[Abond]

and do what with the sound?
...right above your comment I stated why you cannot import vobs into PREMIERE..
even if its demux, you face 2 insurmountable obstacles
1. Premiere doen't accept ac3 audio
2. premiere doesn't properly edit mpeg-2 files

If you have different procedural eidence post it and the corresponding methodology.... and not the
CRYPTIC post above "DEMUX IT"

I am sorry, I didn't say anything about the Premiere. This site is full with software which handle properly mpeg2 and ac3 files. Even there are free programs rated as one of the best.

[dcsos]

Which do you like?
Bypassing premiere sounds ok too.....

[Abond]

It is depend on the aim. The original poster did not say what exactly want to do with the video...
But let say DVD to avi ("mpeg4" type)
GordianKnot and XviD
Audio BeSweet

DVD to (S)VCD
DVD2AVI
Audio BeSweet
Video FitCD, Avisynth, FreeEnc
alternatively: DVD2AVI, HC encoder
alternatively: Avidemux2 (output is very, very close to TMPG, speed also, it will accept mpeg2 directly, codecs independent - has everything built-in, uses mpeg2enc dll for mpeg2 encoding, can encode audio to mp2 or ac3 with ffmpeg engine, templates - VCD, SVCD, DVD. It can do also mpeg2 to avi (XviD). Can be used also for editing of mpeg2 files - AFAIK it has DirectStream copy functionality for mpeg2 files)

If I need to cut
Cuttermaran + Cuttyenc - frame accuracy

For DVD to DVD - well, the same

All they are free tools
Ah, I forgot the ripping DVDDecripter or vStrip or Smartripper. Also free.
One correction though. With DVD2AVI I mean DGIndex and DGDecode

[reboot]

I would demux .vob to mpg using ReJig, then import into an editor that can work with mpeg and ac3. Avidemux 2 maybe? Cuttermaran?

[BMORIN]

To respond to DCSOS:
I already tried uninstalling Premiere 6.5, installing codec, then reinstalling Premiere and it didn't resolve the issue.

ABOND:
I didn't understand your post at all, lol. Sorry, but I'm a little new to this. You listed a lot of stuff that I don't even know what process it's used for. If you could break it down line by line on why I would need and how I would use each program, I would much appreciate it.


Help me to make sure I'm getting the general idea. I'm getting the impression here that I won't be able to use Premiere 6.5 to edit video from DVD (unless I purchase "main concept mpeg plugin" but even that wouldn't handle .avi but rather mpeg-2 & ac3 audio, correct?).

Am I understanding that it would be better to "demux" the .vob and find a shareware editting program that can handle mpeg-2 and ac3 audio? (I assume "demuxing" takes a .vob and turns it into 2 files - mpeg-2 video & ac3 audio (a .wav file?)

Of course, I would rather edit with Premiere since it's what I'm familiar with, but it seems I don't have much of a choice without buying a plug-in.

Sry for being such a noob on this. I appreciate all the help.

[reboot]

If all you want to do is cut commercials, then ReJig in File Mode, will rip (demux) the m2v and AC3 out of the .vob's.
Load the m2v into Cuttermaran (it loads the AC3 automatically) edit as you like, and it will save an m2v and AC3 out.
Use ReJig again, to author the .vob's.
Burn with Nero or whatever...

[BMORIN]

I need to be able to cut scenes, move them around, transition betweeen VideoA and VideoB, things along that line. Does Cuttermaran do that?

[reboot]

No, cuttermaran is a simple cut and splice editor.
If you want transitions and stuff, then you need a good NLE that will work with mpeg streams, and take AC3 audio, and hopefully do it all without re-encoding the whole thing.
I know of no such app. Every one I have tried, will re-encode the whole video, which sometimes isn't such a bad thing.
So you're back to ripping to avi, then editing, then re-encoding

[mpiper]

Bmorin,

Premiere does not work well with any form of MPEG video. even though the DiVX is an AVI, it is still an MPEG4 derivative.

To edit it as you describe, you need a program such as premiere. To use premiere (especially 6.5 instead of the newest Pro 1.5) rip the dvd and then convert the rip to an AVI with an mJpeg codec, which is what Premiere likes best.

PegasysVideo (PICVideo MJPEG) version 3.00.12 is their newest mJpeg codec and it will play flawlessly in Premiere. It is pro-quality and only $14 as an upgrade.

Morgan mJpeg is another that is very good and realistic in price.

Do NOT use LEAD MJPEG or the "generic" MJPEG codecs. They are low quality, slow and not reliable or as adjustable as PICVideo or Morgan.

Once the video is in MJPEG AVI format, yopu can edit as needed, since the audio will also be converted to PCM wav format.

By the way, as one video editor to another, using professional video clips is very useful in training films, personal "portfolio" videos and such, but be careful about copyright issues on the video clips you use.

Generally, if you use less than a minute, and it is not "for profit" you can slide under the radar. But if 20th C FOX sees a 20 minute clip of X-MEN in the middle of a video about special effects in the movies, they'll be knocking at your door.

Hope this helps!

Mike

[mpiper]

By the way, if you need AC3 sound, consider Vegas 5. I think it has AC3 capabilities.

Also, transitions, fades, and other edits require re-encoding, so the best bet is Premiere and use WAV audio in editing. For output, export the video as one file, then the audio as another file.

Then use BeSweet and AC3Machine to convert the WAV to a 2 channel AC3, which will play in all channels with simulated surround (a la Prologic)

[reboot]

That brings up another question.
Vegas 5 will transcode to, and EXPORT ac3, but won't import it (at least my version doesn't).
Never did figure out if that's something I'm missing, or if it's a "feature" of Vegas 5.

[canadateck]

Only output AC3.

[BMORIN]

Well, I'm am putting in tons of hours and getting nowhere with this stupid thing. What a puzzle this has become.

I appreciate all the help that everyone is willing to give.

MPIPER:
I tried the PICVideo MJPEG codec to make my .avi BUT Premiere 6.5 still will not let me import it. As soon as it starts importing, I get a windows error and it crashes. I tried the morgan mjpeg, but apparently the trial period was over before I could use it, lol.
I don't know what's happening here because I got my hopes up at the idea of getting my encoded .avi in Premiere. I tried to uninstall and re-install premiere to no avail. It looks like I'm stuck, argh.

REBOOT:
I used rejig to first get the .vob to the hard drive and then I went in file mode to demux my .m2v and .ac3 files. But, when I went into cuttermaran, it would load my video and link the audio, but when I pressed play it said that no audio codec was installed. I thought I already had it installed but just in case, I downloaded and ran ac3filter as well as ac3decoder but I still get the same error. What the heck??!! Does nothing come easy???

[troyvcd1]

Why dont you use virtualdub-mpeg2. Just load the vob in there and output the avi file. Premiere will accept this.

[junkmalle]

Why dont you use virtualdub-mpeg2. Just load the vob in there and output the avi file. Premiere will accept this.

And save as DV type 2 AVI.

[reboot]

The virtualdub-mpeg2 idea is a good one, but I hate doing an unnecessary avi save inbetween.
Baldrick has a VERY good guide on frameserving from virtualdub/mpeg2/mod to Premiere. It's in the guides section, and this would be ideal in this case!

I have no trouble playing ac3 in Cuttermaran, and I'm using the same stuff you are, with one exception. I also have the tmpgenc AC3 plugin installed. That could make the difference, and I'm sorry if I was misleading. I was assuming that Cuttermaran would simply work.
Did you restart after installing the AC3 stuff?

[mpiper]

Bmorin,

The newest PICVideo codec was a fix so it would load correctly in Premiere Pro. Version 3.00 always crashed, exactly as you describe. Check the version of PICVIdeo you have. It has to be 3.00.12 or it will crash.

The other option is the fix for pro broke it for 6.5

I hate codec packs, but the ACE Mega codec pack has PICVideo 2.2, an older version that will load and play in premiere 5.1, 6.5 and Pro. It is also free, so locate the ACE mega and try that. But the way, ONLY load the PICVideo codec, ACE will try to install everything, and that will fry your existing codecs and software. (thats why I hate codec packs.)

Hopefully that will solve the problem. Premiere should not crash on importing a mjpeg file, so let me know if it still does.

Mike

[lordsmurf]

If you MPEG in Premiere .. it's not hard..

If you have 5.0 - 6.5 use LSX Encoder engine .. it adds the Ligos MPEG-2 import codecs system-wide

If you have Premiere Pro use the MainConcept MPEG Plugin.

Premiere works fine with MPEG ... if you have proper software...

MPEG -> AVI -> MPEG is a nasty extra step

[Baldrick]

FrameServe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261416

[Safesurfer]

FrameServe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261416

I was wondering why everyone was ignoring your post

This is the perfect way to achieve what you want.

[reboot]

I said the same thing, about 5 posts up...

[mpiper]

As far as frameserving, how would that allow Premiere to be used as an editing engine?

I have only used frameserving to send individual frames to an encoding engine one at a time, such as after filtering, etc.

To edit with transitions, etc. you need the entire video in Premiere so you can identify the exact frame to start and end duts, transitions, overlays, etc.

As far as editing MPEG, yes, premiere pro does a very good job. The Ligo engine for Premiere 6.5 is primarily for exporting mpeg2, and it has low quality compared to the favorites on this board. Premiere was redesigned from 6.5 to Pro 1.0 specifically to adress the issues with editing mpeg video, since premiere was never written to edit a codec of that type.