PlayStation 3 Delayed, Over $800?

[BJ_M]

"Cnet is reporting that a research report issued by Merrill Lynch suggests that the Sony PlayStation 3's American release may be postponed until 2007. From the article: 'The analyst firm proposed the idea that high costs and Sony's decision to use an 'ambitious new processor architecture--the Cell' is making it look like the company might not be able to meet its goal of getting the PS3 out in the U.S. this year.' Sony did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
The official report would also seem to indicate that the console will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $900 when it launches.

http://rsch1.ml.com/9093/24013/ds/276873_0.PDF

[yoda313]

Woah! That would be a killer for them to reach high sales numbers with a price that high (a lot higher than some inexpensive desktop pc's).

If that's true Microsoft got smart buy beating them to the punch.

[Dv8ted2]

Nintendo is in the best position between the three companies. With the revolution, they will have the better price point for the console, and the entire Nintendo catalog of games will work for the Revolution.

[yoda313]

The only thing that will hurt nintendo is that they've never pushed the full cutting edge of technology. So those that want the highest end HIGH DEF gaming and surround sound will probably lean towards MS or SONY.

But Nintendo has nostalgia and a lot of long time users to back them up.

[Noahtuck]

well for $900.00....
Any & every other system will beat the PS3
That's just insane!!!!!!!
It better do more than any PC i have or can build

[lordsmurf]

The only thing that will hurt nintendo is that they've never pushed the full cutting edge of technology.

Why? I think that's what has hurt modern video games. Gamer nerds care more about how "powerful" a system is, and have lost the ability to merely enjoy a good game.

This has also had a side effect of the "old=bad" outlook, where non-new games are considered "junk". Pac-Man is just as fun now as it was 20 years ago. Yet many self-proclaimers "gamers" would refer to it as obsolete trash. Why should a gaming industry cater to these narrow-minded twits?

The only thing that can hurt Nintendo is a lack of quality games. The only power that is needed, is whatever a good game requires. That may be terahertz and terabytes, or megahertz and megabytes. History has taught us that power means nothing, and the games mean everything. A little propagandist marketing never hurts either.

[mazinz]

I still love the older games and systems. I was just playing vectrex on the pc (and xbox) a few days ago.


What will help the new nintendo is the availability of letting you download the roms from their past systems onto the newer system. At least that was one of the primary goals with their upcoming deck, unless they changed it.

At the sametime what would help most of us is getting the ps3 for 900$ and then selling it on ebay for $4000.00

[whitejremiah]

well for $900.00....
Any & every other system will beat the PS3
That's just insane!!!!!!!
It better do more than any PC i have or can build

according to the number's that they have thrown out, it should be able to beat any pc you can currently build..............on a side note, yes, gaming in general has gone a bit downhill, i still enjoy stuff such as super nintendo and genesis games.....heck i even rip out the atari 2600 and play me some pitfall occasionally.......it seems that gaming wise, it's come to a point that the masses are more concerned about graphics than gameplay...........pong is still fun if you got 2 people playing.........as far as buying the system for 900 and selling for 4000....one main flaw with that theory, is there's not gonna be enough people willing to shell out 900 bux for a system...even the xbox 360 was probably pushing the limits as to what people felt comfortable spending on a video game system......they will probably just build up dust on the shelves till they can pull their heads outta the sky and realize this is earth and video game systems should NOT retail for that high of a price........btw, i also heard that there could potentially be some bottlenecking problems with the system because the ram they are using isnt fast enough...............

[ROF]

Why? I think that's what has hurt modern video games. Gamer nerds care more about how "powerful" a system is, and have lost the ability to merely enjoy a good game.

This has also had a side effect of the "old=bad" outlook, where non-new games are considered "junk". Pac-Man is just as fun now as it was 20 years ago. Yet many self-proclaimers "gamers" would refer to it as obsolete trash. Why should a gaming industry cater to these narrow-minded twits?

Where did this come from?

Gaming is an art form to "gamer nerds". Most of those people you refer to as gaming nerds can respect that Pac-Man is a classic. For example,these gamer nerds when faced with a broken PC and the choice of plugging in a Atari 2600 or going outside to get fresh air, I dare say most (99.9%) of them would choose plugging in an Atari 2600.

These same gaming-nerds also require a tremendous amount of power in their system because games and gaming nerds have advanced since the times of Pac-Mans reign at the top. The games of today have become more complex, more graphical, more audio intensified. This isn't unlike the codex for encoding video. They have advanced and require bigger and better systems in order to properly and efficiently encode the video files.

Why should the gaming industry cater to these narrow-minded twits you ask?

Because they strive to provide a better audio/visual experience to their audience. Just like in the video realm, video games are becoming a better , more widely shared experience all the time. Newer hardware costs more than and is sought after more than 20 year old hardware. This holds true in the gaming-nerd universe and the video junkie universe.

I find the lack of respect for your fellow hardware/software freaks a little disturbing.

[genki500]

Did Sony secertly "leak" this? When PS3 comes, it will probably cost $400; and people will say "cheap!" for a supposed high priced, higher tech machine (higher tech than Xbox360). Sony already spent so much money, and their financially situation is still fine; the only money losing part will probably be "Blue Ray". (Many beleive Sony foots all the cost. No, it is more likely a "Xbox" model, when every machine sold, suppliers get money; the "Cell", IBM is in the whole project, they can choose not to make a cent, just for building up the base.)
Let's all hope PS3 will be cheap.

[Bullworth]

I think this is a marketing/price gouging scheme by Sony to make a quick profit off the PS3. I was reading in Business Week that last year the PS2 accounted for 38% of Sony's profit, $365 million. On the other hand their electronics division lost $290 million

I just don't know if they're getting their hands in too many cookie jars with this one. They released what was called the PSX in Japan in 2003 which basically had the same purporse as the PS3: To become the living room multimedia hub for gaming, movies and web surfing. I guess it bombed big time because of "a low, low price of just $800" and consumers weren't sure what to make of it. I think that creating an all-in-one will happen eventually but it's a concept that's a little ahead of it's time. They're offering a lot of features at a time when the infrastructure to support it is in place but there are not enough offerings out there for it to such as online movie services.

I know what the PS3 offers is more advanced than what the PSX offered, more bang for the buck, but it's hard to imagine sheling out that much money just to play games. Sure it will have Blu-ray capabilities but how long will it be before there are enough titles out there for it?
I just bought a PS2 less than a year ago (yeah, I know. I'm a Johnny-come-lately), and I really like the thing consideing it's "old and obsolete." The idea of using it as my all-in-one solution for home-entertainment doesn't appeal to me though. I like it for what it is: a gaming platform. I know that there is a trend now to want to make everything from games to movies available online but this is a huge leap for many and personally I just would't like the idea of not being able to pop in my disc, holographic cube or what have you not, and watch my movie right there and then.

Relating to what others are posting above about certain people drooling over the latest technology I agree. I have friends...wait, scratch that...I don't have any. But there are people who buy ever single new console, graphics card, processor, etc., out there. The moment a new one comes out they think their equipment is obsolete. I have really old games that I can sit and play for hours on end and still enjoy then as much as the first time I did.

Yet another pointless and off-topic rant

[handyguy]

$800 + scalper fees.

[shelbyGT]

First of all that's the estimated price of the components. It isn't going to cost $900 when it hits the shelves. The Xbox and Xbox 360 both sold at a loss originally. The ps3 looks to do the same.

This has also had a side effect of the "old=bad" outlook, where non-new games are considered "junk". Pac-Man is just as fun now as it was 20 years ago. Yet many self-proclaimers "gamers" would refer to it as obsolete trash. Why should a gaming industry cater to these narrow-minded twits?

You obviously don't know what it is you speak of. All of the classics that are on Xbox Live and available for download sell like hot cakes. Gamers like myself enjoy the classics as well as the most advanced we can get.

[Poppa_Meth]

I agree that nintendos problem is the games. They are stuck in a trend of remaking everything a thousand times instead of comming up with something new. How many versions of Mario can one stand? I think the SNES was nintendo's golden system and if they continue with the current progression, it always will be. As for the ROMs. I can already download those and an emulator for free for NES SNES and N64 so who cares?

[Supreme2k]

I think that Nintendo cares that you don't pay for their games.

[RottenFoxBreath]

I agree that nintendos problem is the games. They are stuck in a trend of remaking everything a thousand times instead of comming up with something new. How many versions of Mario can one stand? I think the SNES was nintendo's golden system and if they continue with the current progression, it always will be. As for the ROMs. I can already download those and an emulator for free for NES SNES and N64 so who cares?

riiiight...and western developers dont make driving sequel after driving sequel,football sequel after football sequel,fps sequel after fps sequel.arcade/adventure,etc,etc,etc,rpg etc etc..
nintendo games have that "special" something that gamers love,judging by the sales of the systems,and games,on all formats,beit console or handheld.
something that no other developer has ever emulated.
theres no better version of zelda,mario,etc..noone else had made games that are completly fun to play,yet sometimes hard to master,consistantly,well apart from sega.

[Raen]

The XBOX 360 was sold at a loss. It costs more to make the thing than they are selling it for. They do this to try to get a lion's share of the market. They'll make their profit off accessories, Xbox live, games and licenses. In a year or 2 production cost will come down far enough to even start making money off the xbox 360 sales itself.

Sony will do the same thing. it might cost them 800 bucks to make it but they'll sell it at a loss in order to try to garnish a larger portion of the market than their competitors(namely Microsoft) and win the licensing war. Thats what will keep them solvent over the next 10 years, not immediate profit off the PS3 but its market place.

[Poppa_Meth]

I never said western developers were any better. I don't play a bunch of sports games and racing games with one barely altered sequel after another. My point is the Playstation has a far superior library of games with a huge range of interest that nintendo simply lacks. How many good RPGs were on Gamecube?

My girlfriend wanted a gamecube for xmas a few years ago. It collects dust while the PS2 is in constant use. She has maybe three or four games for the GCN and can't find any others she would want.

I don't really care what nintendo thinks about me emulating their games. The SNES games are very difficult to find real carts for much of the time, not to mention the hardware to play them. I'm not dropping big bucks on a new system to play old games. (since I'm not forseeing any new games I'll be very interested in)

IMO between the three systems PSOne/PS2 have a much better selection to choose from. I won't make any guesses about the PS3. They could follow Nintendo's trend for all I know. I don't personally think XBox ever had much worth playing.

Something else I think will hurt the Revolution, unless changed by release, is the retarded controller. I can't for the life of me see how something designed like a TV remote will be comfortable to play on.

[vitualis]

It's the games that make a system.

Unless the next Final Fantasy RPG is also on another system, I'll be getting a PS3 (when it's cheap...)

Regards.

[LloydAZ]

It's the games that make a system.

Unless the next Final Fantasy RPG is also on another system, I'll be getting a PS3 (when it's cheap...)

Regards.

I've got the Beta of Final Fantasy XI for the XBox 360 sitting right here. It came with my last issue of Official XBox Magazine. Of course, I don't own a 360, so I can't play it.

[slacker]

I don't play video games at all. However, my kids do and, since they are sports fanatics (both as players & fans) as well in the real world, they play all of the EA football and basketball games. When I hear them talk about this game or that game, or this console or that console, it is all about what the game will ALLOW them to do, in terms of strategy and realism, and, of course, quality graphics add to the experience. This takes hardware power. The programmers know what to do when the hardware catches up to them... They definitely are limited by the hardware platform.

Do they pull out the old Nintendo and SEGA consoles? Absolutely. They and their friends continue to enjoy playing those games. My personal favorite is still ECCO, very relaxing...

Todays gamers are sophicated and very competitive, that I do know!

[whitejremiah]

honestly, look at the GREAT selection of games (insert HUGE amount of sarcastic tone to my comment there) lets see here, you have madden....all like 15 of em now, you have final fantasy part 10000000000000, you have fight night round 87, you have....project gothem racing 14, you have....well im sure you get where im going with this....game's have honestly lost originality for the most part anyhow......i can probably count the number of original games i've seen on xbox, ps2, and probably even gamecube on two hands........nothing too innovative (AND NO HALO ISNT INNOVATE, ITS FAIRLY WELL DONE, BUT NOT INNOVATE BY ANY MEANS) the only REALLY unique titles were katamary damacy for ps2....and heck they even have made a sequel to that, so there goes that one, and wario ware inc...........they have already made like 3 or 4 versions of that one, too..........gaming is starting to hit the same level as movies are...nothing original, everything a remake of something that was already made years ago except "new and improved" which ends up meaning that the company butchers it and doesnt do a very good job of remaking it.....

[vitualis]

I've got the Beta of Final Fantasy XI for the XBox 360 sitting right here. It came with my last issue of Official XBox Magazine. Of course, I don't own a 360, so I can't play it.

FFXI is a MMORG. It is probably best played on the PC.

The next "real" FF will be FF: XII, and I don't think that it has been announced for any platform yet.

Regards.

[rnoski]

my most recent purchase was generation nex by messiah for like 40 bucks! i love it! i still play super tecmo bowl. never gets old throwing a 99 yard td pass with 1 second on the clock...lol.... looks a lot cooler on my 50 inch rp-lcd versus 13 inch t.v. lol!

[rnoski]

sony better sell a lot of psp's to make up for this potential disaster.........yea im gonna fork out the price of my first car!!! for a stupid game system! guess santa will be bringing a nin revolution and xbox 360 (ugh i hate microsoft) foe me to play ncaa fb on.

[Poppa_Meth]

Personally I don't see anything on PSP yet either that I'd want. They are doing the same thing, remaking or redesigning certain games or series that they already have for it. And of course reformatting the same movies you can buy on DVD a lot cheaper.

And there are a lot of "innovative" games on PS/PS2. Just because you haven't played them or heard of them doesn't mean they don't exist. Shadow Hearts comes to mind.

[ebenton]

Sony denies it.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/13091

[RottenFoxBreath]

still ,itll sell by the bucketload,and place the 360 into a state of limbo,almost akin to the dreamcast.
the blue-ray drive is the driving force for it.
dont get me wrong,im no fanboy,but i can see microsoft releasing halo3,and dropping the price,possibly bringing out a drive for there machine,but in the end,the ps3 with its 1 stop everythingness HD will be a powerful force to contend with.
some people just hate to have to buy external equipment for consoles,remember mega cd,32x,et al.
thats not to say it wont sit quite happily next to a 360 on most gamers shelves.
but the supposed coolness,and it more than likely will be shoved down our throats on tv,radio,billboards,etc.
then theres the games,hundreds upon hundreds of them will be poured into shops,just like the the ps1,and ps2,the sheer volume will just encompass the others,most of it utter drivel no doubt,but itll get the shelf space.
western world-xbo360,and ps3,neck and neck for a while,revolution sitting quite happily in between.
eastern world-ps3,and nintendo revolution,forget about the 360.

[whitejremiah]

I've got the Beta of Final Fantasy XI for the XBox 360 sitting right here. It came with my last issue of Official XBox Magazine. Of course, I don't own a 360, so I can't play it.

FFXI is a MMORG. It is probably best played on the PC.

The next "real" FF will be FF: XII, and I don't think that it has been announced for any platform yet.

Regards.

XII has a playable demo on ps2, so i'd have to assume it will be coming out on ps2.....if you wanna verifiy this, it comes with dragon quest VIII.....it's one of the few decent RPG's around at the moment......(and yes, its a sequel of a sequel, of a sequel.........) i played the demo of XII though, and to be quite honest, i wasnt overly impressed.....

[vitualis]

You're right.

March release for Japanese version. So for PS2 after all. I wonder if they'll slip in a PS3 release as well (unlikely).

As for being "impressed" or not, FF isn't about battles or graphics (though they are often both good). It's about the story line. It would be similar to reading a chapter of Harry Potter and claiming that "you weren't impressed".

Regards.