CCE Vs. Trancoders

[HDDVD]

can u guys tell me if CCE is better than transcoding programs in terms of video quality. which one comes out on top for short movies and which one for long movies?

[falberni]

You can look in the tools section and search for a tool called DVD Rebuilder. It uses CCE for encoding. For large compressions, let's say for more than 80%, CCE is much better in terms of quality. Using DVD Rebuilder is very easy and it does all the settings for CCE for you. Between DVD Shrink for transcoding, and DVD Rebuilder with CCE for re-encoding, you can have it all covered.

[macleod]

true quality, encoding vs. transcoding will always win. For a good number of folks, me included, will transcode anyway.

[jimmalenko]

true quality, encoding vs. transcoding will always win.

I couldn't agree more. IMO though the difference often may not be noticable enough to warrant the extra time it'll take to re-encode. It's at these times DVDShrink comes in handy.

[Skynet107]

Give QuEnc a try, it gives very good quality for a transcoder, and it works perfectly with DVDRebuilder.

[celtic_druid]

QuEnc isn't a transcoder, it is a libavcodec based encoder.

[jimmalenko]

QuEnc isn't a transcoder, it is a libavcodec based encoder.

You'd have thought the Enc in it's name might have given it away, wouldn't you ?

[nufan292]

QuEnc I believe is actually an encoder, not a transcoder. And it's freeware, for the value conscious.

[adam]

I'm guessing that Skynet107 meant to refer to Rejig, which is the transcoder that DVDRebuilder supports. I agree, its a very high quality transcoder, but I don't think anything is ever going to come close to a re-encode if you are compressing by any decent amount.

[celtic_druid]

Well both QuEnc and Rejig are written by Nic. The transcoding code isn't his same as how the encodinng code with QuEnc isn't his. Both nice apps tough.

[skebenin]

And now for a dissenting opinion.

IMO, at any acceptable level of quality, transcoding (or at least DVDShrink) beats re-encoding. With some exceptions, once I've reached the point where transcoding produces unacceptable results, I won't get acceptable results from CCE either; I'm better off splitting the disk.

The notable exceptions are DVDs where Shrink shows noticable I-P-B frame degradation.

I doubt many will share my opinion. I think it depends on your sensitivity to ringing versus sensitivity to block noise.

[lacywest]

Well both QuEnc and Rejig are written by Nic. The transcoding code isn't his same as how the encodinng code with QuEnc isn't his. Both nice apps tough.

Nobody mentioned time to encode ... do these apps take the same required time to encode ... as CCE ... does ?? For me about 4 hours ... based on 4 passes.

and can these other apps ... do 4 passes?

I haven't tried them ... I use CCE. I have a friend with a 32" Sony TV and he likes the DVDs I make with DVD Rebuilder with CCE. He was getting DVD videos from me shrunk with DVD Shrink ... CloneDVD or Nero Recode.

[celtic_druid]

QuEnc can only do 2 passes, NuEnc however can do upto I think 10 and that is just a limit imposed by the GUI.

[macleod]

rule of thumb is that transcoding is faster than encoding, that is one of the reasons that transcoding is used more often.

one a 1.2 gig, a 4 pass CCE encode (useing DVD2SVCD) would take start to finish 4-6 hours. I did the encoding method when there was no transcoder option (didnt own a dvd burner). With DVDshrink, I can go start to finish in about 30 minutes. With movies that take a lot of transocding power, those can be knocked out in about the time it takes to do a CCE (however, I am so lazy now, I just use dvdshrink).