Hey officer.... That's not mine.....!!!

[Goober57]

Some people will NEVER learn!!!

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/3961166/detail.html

[northcat_8]

Man you are on a roll today Goober, maybe you need to attend a News-aholic's Anonymous support group, I think you may have a problem

[Capmaster]

Good thing criminals aren't particularly bright ...or they'd be much harder to catch

[Goober57]

I think you may have a problem

You think I might have a problem???

Okay, I left the door wide open for the rest of you. :P :P :P

Take your best shot. The doc says I can handle it. 8) :P

[Devanshu]

Head a stupid criminal story on the radio this morning....a daughter comes home drunk(underage of course) and the father wants to teach her a lesson so he calls the cops on her. When the cops arrive to arrest the daughter, she says "Why are you arresting me...hes the one who has drugs and guns in the attic". The police search the house and find illegal sub-machine guns and a shitload of crack. Needless to say the dude was arrested. He showed her.

[888888]

Good thing criminals aren't particularly bright ...or they'd be much harder to catch

How is someone who smokes crack a "criminal". What has he ever done to you or me. His choices in his personal life are none of our business and he is hardly a criminal.

[Capmaster]

Good thing criminals aren't particularly bright ...or they'd be much harder to catch

How is someone who smokes crack a "criminal". What has he ever done to you or me. His choices in his personal life are none of our business and he is hardly a criminal.

Someone who commits a crime is a criminal, by definition:

crim·i·nal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krm-nl)
adj.
Of, involving, or having the nature of crime: criminal abuse.
Relating to the administration of penal law.

Guilty of crime.
Characteristic of a criminal.
Shameful; disgraceful: a criminal waste of talent.
Dictionary.com

Last time I checked, crack use was illegal.

[Dr. DOS]

Even if the drug usage was not illegal I bet he was high and that would be even more so a crime as it does impact you and me.

[Capmaster]

Even if the drug usage was not illegal I bet he was high and that would be even more so a crime as it does impact you and me.

Especially since even someone who uses crack only in his home will eventually end up in the ER ...and if he's hard-core, that means he probably long ago lost his job and health insurance. So that ER doctor's salary is partly paid by Capmaster's property taxes. You betcha it affects me

[888888]

He would be a criminal by our society's definition, just like an unveiled woman would be a criminal in the Taliban society. I often prefer to use the word "criminal" based on my understanding of ethics, freedom, and rights as opposed to a backwards, moralistic and convenient view often taken by ignorant societies.

Especially since even someone who uses crack only in his home will eventually end up in the ER ...and if he's hard-core, that means he probably long ago lost his job and health insurance. So that ER doctor's salary is partly paid by Capmaster's property taxes. You betcha it affects me

Why would they end up in an ER? If crack was legal and not impure, improperly measured, or a variety of other drawbacks that come with illegal items, and if he were properly educated about the use of said drug, then there should be no reason he will automaticall end up in the ER. You failed to mention why too. Overdose, allergic reaction? Tons of people go to the ER for over-the-counter medicine problems, lets arrest them too.

As for a doctor's salary being paid by YOUR tax dollars, that is one of the issues that collectively funded health care has. Being a smoker yourself, I think you would understand that potentially unhealthy behavior should not be discriminated against just because there could be high medical costs for all of society. What if I am just poor and I stupidly break my leg while chasing after a squirrel, does that mean I shouldn't get care?

I think someone who is high on the street IS commiting a crime, but someone who is high in their own homes is an American hero.

[fritzi93]

Sadly, drug habits have a way of growing...

[thecoalman]

How is someone who smokes crack a "criminal". What has he ever done to you or me. His choices in his personal life are none of our business and he is hardly a criminal.

Somewhat true and if they stayed under the rock they crawled out from under to steal, use my tax dollars for treatment, accost other people......etc., otherwise affect my personal life it is my business.

Ever meet a heroin addict, I knew one personally, Grew up together. He's dead now. Enuff said.

[888888]

How is someone who smokes crack a "criminal". What has he ever done to you or me. His choices in his personal life are none of our business and he is hardly a criminal.

Somewhat true and if they stayed under the rock they crawled out from under to steal, use my tax dollars for treatment, accost other people......etc., otherwise affect my personal life it is my business.

Ever meet a heroin addict, I knew one personally, Grew up together. He's dead now. Enuff said.

Please read my last post that includes an explanation of why drug use only leads to violent crime, "ruined lives" and death because it is illegal. If Heroin was affordable, available, and legal, there would be no need to steal, accost people etc.

Drugs that give a euphoric rush are similar to masterbation in their effect. Do you see chronic masterbaters crawl out from under a rock to steal, use my tax dollars for treatment, accost other people......etc.? (NO, they are too busy posting in OT )

But seriously.

[Tommyknocker]

Good thing criminals aren't particularly bright ...or they'd be much harder to catch

How is someone who smokes crack a "criminal". What has he ever done to you or me. His choices in his personal life are none of our business and he is hardly a criminal.

Since it is a controlled substance and didn't have a doctor's prescription for its use, he violated the law. Certain laws are passed to protect the individual, like those against suicide and drug abuse.

[888888]

I think it's pretty clear by now that I don't believe in laws against suicide and drug abuse.

[ViRaL1]

I'm all for laws against suicide, just not ATTEMPTED suicide. I don't think I could give a blanket denouncement of drug use. Although I've never, nor will I ever engage, I do see that some drug policies are a waste of time and money.

[thecoalman]

Drugs that give a euphoric rush are similar to masterbation in their effect.

Hardly a good analogy, even if legalized drugs such as heroin,cocaine or meth will continue to kill or "zombie-a-size"(think I just invented a word) Never heard of anyone dying from jerkin the gerkin either...(don't google it).

Affects no one? Even if they stay under there rock it still afeects their family, kids and friends. Trust me I know. Go talk to a heroin addict and ask them if they think it should be legal so it's more accesible to people.

[Capmaster]

Never heard of anyone dying from jerkin the gerkin either

Good thing ....

[888888]

Drugs that give a euphoric rush are similar to masterbation in their effect.

Hardly a good analogy, even if legalized drugs such as heroin,cocaine or meth will continue to kill or "zombie-a-size"(think I just invented a word) Never heard of anyone dying from jerkin the gerkin either...(don't google it).

Why do Heroin, Cocaine and Meth kill? Why do they zombie-ize? These seem like arbitrary media buzz-scare-tactics. It is true that someone can die from an overdose, IV site infection, allergic reaction, or extreme over-use (ala alcohol) of those three drugs. But when properly measured, prepared, administered, and pure, these drugs will KILL no greater than a shot of morphine would in a hospital, a cocaine injection would in a dentist's office, or a pill Adderral (Amphetamine) when taken by a child with ADD.

Let me remind you guys that both Cocaine and Methamphetamine are Schedule II substances in the US meaning a doctor could write you a prescription for either.

Affects no one? Even if they stay under there rock it still afeects their family, kids and friends. Trust me I know. Go talk to a heroin addict and ask them if they think it should be legal so it's more accesible to people

I have met some people who have taken Heroin. They have not turned into addicted, psychotic monsters. They have not been the best of people to start with since they engaged in illegal activity, but by no means did they offer to suck my dick for 15 bucks. There is a difference between use and abuse. I have read many reports about the over-blown concept of heroin addiction and withdrawl. Movies like Requiem for a Dream and Sid and Nancy thrive on such dramatic subject matter, but this fiction tends to permeate our popular culture and become medical fact. Heroin is definitely addictive, but not so much in my opinion that it should be 100% illegal. At least people should get weekly treatment shots.

As for what a Heroin addict would say, I'm sure he would want an alternative to what is the norm right now.

[northcat_8]

I have met some people who have taken Heroin. They have not turned into addicted, psychotic monsters. They have not been the best of people to start with since they engaged in illegal activity, but by no means did they offer to suck my dick for 15 bucks.

$15?? You can get 3 of them for that in Dayton (no shit) But those aren't Heroin Hero's those would be crack heads.

I agree with much of what you said 888888, just about anything can become addicting to the right person. Certain drugs are just more addicting to more people. My friend for example does not become addicted to tobacco products. Chew or cigarettes. It doesn't matter how much he smokes or chews or how long, he can put them down and not pick another one up for long periods of time. He is not so lucky with alcohol however.

[fritzi93]

Never heard of anyone dying from jerkin the gerkin either

Good thing ....

Hey Cap, isn't there something in the rules about posting offensive stuff?

[Capmaster]

Let's see:
Choking the chicken, hammerin the bone, and spanking the monkey That covers it

I'm not offended ...are you?

[fritzi93]

Let's see:
Choking the chicken, hammerin the bone, and spanking the monkey That covers it

I'm not offended ...are you?

Okay, just checking.

[Capmaster]

Who's in the pic?

[fritzi93]

Who's in the pic?

Beats me.

[Capmaster]

Looks a bit like LeVar Burton

[thecoalman]

As for what a Heroin addict would say, I'm sure he would want an alternative to what is the norm right now.

Such as not thinking about getting his next fix every waking hour?

[888888]

As for what a Heroin addict would say, I'm sure he would want an alternative to what is the norm right now.

Such as not thinking about getting his next fix every waking hour?

Yes.

[vitualis]

Why do Heroin, Cocaine and Meth kill? Why do they zombie-ize? These seem like arbitrary media buzz-scare-tactics. It is true that someone can die from an overdose, IV site infection, allergic reaction, or extreme over-use (ala alcohol) of those three drugs. But when properly measured, prepared, administered, and pure, these drugs will KILL no greater than a shot of morphine would in a hospital, a cocaine injection would in a dentist's office, or a pill Adderral (Amphetamine) when taken by a child with ADD.

Let me remind you guys that both Cocaine and Methamphetamine are Schedule II substances in the US meaning a doctor could write you a prescription for either.

Well, not really. You don't need to work in the health industry very long to see the effects of illicit drug use.

The reason we have laws against people using narcotics or drink driving, etc., even if it doesn't affect anyone else is that for some behaviours, people can't be trusted. Even adults.

SOME people may well be able to use heroin and narcotics in a recreational habit "responsibly", but most cannot. For example, let's examine doctors with narcotics habits. They are generally the most well educated and intellegent part of society, with good incomes and high standing in the community.

You would think that if a doctor had an addiction to narcotics, he or she could get away with it (i.e., not let the recreation use affect his work or family life) and nobody would know. However, inevitably it DOES affect their life. They resort to using higher and higher does of narcotics until their life is consumed by finding their "next fix".

The simple fact is, as agents of "recreational pleasure" there are certain addictive chemicals that simply aren't safe. Narcotics is definitely one group. So are things like metamphetamines. Marijuana is in a grey area which is why there is so much disagreement about it in society.

There are some addictive chemicals which are "relatively" safe -- insofar that their negative effects on society are tolerated on balance. These would be things like tobacco and alcohol.

I have met some people who have taken Heroin. They have not turned into addicted, psychotic monsters. They have not been the best of people to start with since they engaged in illegal activity, but by no means did they offer to suck my dick for 15 bucks. There is a difference between use and abuse. I have read many reports about the over-blown concept of heroin addiction and withdrawl. Movies like Requiem for a Dream and Sid and Nancy thrive on such dramatic subject matter, but this fiction tends to permeate our popular culture and become medical fact. Heroin is definitely addictive, but not so much in my opinion that it should be 100% illegal. At least people should get weekly treatment shots.

Before you start advocating policy you should learn about addiction and the pharmacology of various drugs. You are also using "n=1" annecdotal evidence which is rather meaningless. I have met people who have taken heroin as well. They had totally screwed up lives. Does my personal experience now negate your one?

Heroin is extremely short acting and a one weekly treatment would do absolutely squat. It would just mean that addicts would need to illicitly fund one less high (out of possibly over a dozen) in that week. The methadone programs that run in many countries is usually the best compromise.

I fully support the concept that there needs to be harm reduction measures as they are cost effective and help people where they are needed. However, just supplying the narcotics is only the outer coating of the solution -- basically it helps prevent the crime and gets people to show up to a controlled environment.

Regards.

[thecoalman]

As for what a Heroin addict would say, I'm sure he would want an alternative to what is the norm right now.

Such as not thinking about getting his next fix every waking hour?

Yes.

I have a lot of personal experience with this, not using but seeing the affects it has. As I mentioned I had a friend, wasn't very fun burying him. Where I live is kind of unique for this beacsue we have a larger population of about 250,000 spread out over 400 square miles less than 2 hours from Philadelphia which from my understanding is the heroin capital of the U.S. You can travel there buy heroin bags for $10 a pop and sell them here for $40 which is still dirt cheap. High schooler's report it's easier for them to purchase heroin than alcohol. On top of that it's approx 90% pure which compared to the 70's standard of about 10 to 20% is very high. They don't even have to inject it anymore to get real high off of it because of the high level of purity. It's so pure that once ingested most become addicted. Currently there is quite an epidemic where I live, They are attributing about 75 to 100 deaths per year to heroin overdoses and that is just the ones that die.

This is why it's illegal and I made the point:

Such as not thinking about getting his next fix every waking hour?

Legalizing a drug such as this makes no point, it's not overblown as you state. Once your addicted to something like heroin it never,ever, ever goes away. Your addicted for life. Have you ever heard the term "chasing the dragon" Your first hit of heroin is supposed to be the absolutely most euphoric event you will ever feel. After that it's all down hill as you can never get that feeling again. Hence the term. I've sat there as my friend flatly lied to me and he knew I knew he was lying. Even said so the next day after he got his fix..... I have two other friends from when I was young that spent an entire summer living like homeless guys with there only thought being how do we get heroin. They'd have a thousand dollars one day and nothing the next.... I could go on forever, you can think what you want but until you see it for yourself I'd suggest rethinking your opinions.