Why won't MPG extracted from BIN burn in Nero?

[absinthecarolinas]

Ok. This is weird.

Anyone know why an MPG file extracted from a *.BIN using ISO Buster would not be accepted by Nero to burn as plain data? I always select the option in ISO Buster to "extract but filter only M2F2 Mpeg frames." The MPG extracted is of course perfectly playable on a PC. But when I try to drop it into the layout with Nero, Nero just responds with "INTERNAL ERROR" and will not accept the file.

I have also tried extracting the file using the other modes: i.e. Extract Raw but convert to user data, and Extract Raw data (2352 bytes/block).

This happens 100% of the time. I'm trying to burn as a data CD as my Philips DVP-642 will play the MPG directly without authoring as SVCD. I don't have this problem with ordinary MPEGs, only MPEGs extracted from a *.BIN.

What's up?

-abs

[bazooka]

You are selecting the wrong option.

You need to select svcd.

[absinthecarolinas]

You are selecting the wrong option.

You need to select svcd.

No, no ... that's what I'm saying. My standalone will play MPG 1 or 2 video (or VOBs) directly from discs, whether it's a CD or DVD. I don't need to make a (S)VCD. I could just burn the BIN if I wanted to do that.

I just don't see any reason why Nero won't accept a data file as plain data. What's wrong with the file?

Thanks, though

-abs

[bazooka]

You are contradicting yourself and confusing me.

A data cd and a vcd or svcd are different things, and you need to select the right option.

[bazooka]

Nero will do it if you select the right option.

[bunyip]

If that doesn't work, try using the option "Extract but FILTER only M2F2 Mpeg frames", it seems to produce a more usable Mpeg file.

[bazooka]

If that doesn't work, try using the option "Extract but FILTER only M2F2 Mpeg frames", it seems to produce a more usable Mpeg file.

He has already done that buny.

He is confused and doesn't know what he wants.

He needs to do more reading.

[bunyip]

DOH! - fancy me not seeing that - what a silly bunt!

[bazooka]

DOH! - fancy me not seeing that - what a silly bunt!

It's ok buny.

It is hard to help someone when they are contradicting themself.

[bazooka]

A data cd is just that data.

A data cd is usually only read on a computer.

A vcd or svcd can be read in stand-alone dvd players if you have one that will play it.

So once again, now that I pointed out the difference, you are not choosing the right option.

If it tries to reencode to svcd, then it is a vcd, so you would choose the vcd option.

[absinthecarolinas]

Ok ... one more time:

I am absolutely, positively NOT contradicting myself.

I am in possession of a .BIN and .CUE file, the contents of which is an SVCD. Now if I wanted to burn an SVCD, I'd just load the .CUE file in Nero and burn the sucker like I do all the time. No prob.

Now listen carefully: an SVCD is authored from a multiplexed MPG file. That MPG file is on an SVCD in a folder. The *.BIN file contains an IMAGE of the SVCD.

You can use ISO Buster (or VCDGear) to extract that MPG file. I have a standalone which will play the MPG file directly from a disc (be it a CD or a DVD) without authoring as an SVCD.

The whole point here is that I want to stop using up CDs for a movie I may never want to watch a second time, and I want to skip the authoring step. I just want to burn the MPG file (extracted from the SVCD image, i.e. the BIN file) directly to a disc as plain old data.

And of course I am selecting the option to burn a data disc in Nero.

What I am telling you is that Nero gives me a very unusual error when I try to place the extracted MPG onto the data CD (or DVD) layout. It just says "Internal Error," and will not place the file onto the layout.

I cannot think of a way to put it more plainly.

However, I have found a solution: I don't know why it's happening, but I have figured out that if I put my MPGs into a folder, Nero will accept and burn them, and they will play fine in my player.

Still would like an explanation, though.

-abs

[bazooka]

Yes, you were contradicting yourself.

A svcd is not a data cd.

You are essentially burning a svcd.

A Vcd or Svcd is not straight data.

It is video plus audio.

Mpeg and Mpeg2 is video +audio.

If you wanted to make a data disc, the video file needs to be an avi.

[absinthecarolinas]

Okay, I'm starting to feel plain silly.

Yes, you were contradicting yourself.

A svcd is not a data cd.

Never said it was.

You are essentially burning a svcd.

A Vcd or Svcd is not straight data.

It is video plus audio.

Everything is data. Text files are data. Video files are data. My checkbook is data. While I can't burn my checkbook (at least in its current form) to a CD, I darn well ought to be able to burn most anything else. MPG is just more data, and if it's not authored as an SVCD, it's not an SVCD, strictly speaking. The MPG file itself might meet SVCD specs, but it's still just an MPG until it's authored.

Mpeg and Mpeg2 is video +audio.

Huh? There is MPEG1 video. There is MPEG2 video. There is also MPEG1 layer 2 audio (aka mp2 audio, used in SVCDs) and MPEG1 layer 3 audio (aka the ubiquitous 'mp3').

If you wanted to make a data disc, the video file needs to be an avi.

See above. Everything is ... or can be ... data.

Please read this part carefully. In spite of the smart*ss tone this thread has taken, I sincerely would like an answer to the following:

I CAN burn SVCD-spec MPG files directly to a CD or DVD as data and play them in my standalone. As in my last post, I figured out how to resolve this issue involving the MPGs extracted from a BIN by putting those MPGs into folders.

Now let's forget for just a sec that I want to play these files on a standalone. My problem is solely in regard to burning.

Here's the weird part:

If I generate an MPG file on my own (that is, if I encode an MPG system stream from, let's say, TMPGEnc), I can simply drop that file into a Nero data layout and burn it. No folders. No problem. Just burn it to the root of the CD/DVD.

The problem is only when I extract an MPG from a BIN file with ISO Buster. And again, I've used all the different extraction modes. When I do this, Nero just gives me an error when I try to add the extracted MPG to a plain-data-CD/DVD layout ("Internal Error").

Now I would agree with you in that the problem probably arises from Nero thinking it's supposed to be creating an SVCD when it sees this type of file. Nonetheless, it's still data and ought to burn as such.

Here's a walkthrough example:

1) I encode MYFILE.MPG with TMPGEnc to SVCD specifications. I can burn this file to a CD as data with no problem.

2) But nah, I decide I'd rather make an SVCD. So I use, say, VCDEasy to author an SVCD using MYFILE.MPG. VCDEasy spits out a BIN and CUE file.

3) Silly me, I've changed my mind again. I think I'd rather just burn the MPG as data after all. So, I use ISOBuster to extract the MPG from the BIN file. Of course, it's called AVESwhatever.MPG, but I just change the name of the file back to MYFILE.MPG. But now I get an error when I try to drop this file into a data CD/DVD layout with Nero ("Internal Error").

So, what it all boils down to is: What is the difference between the MYFILE.MPG before I used it to make a SVCD vs. the MYFILE.MPG which I extracted from the BIN file?

Now that I've figured out how to burn it anyway, this is all sort of pointless. I'm just curious.

-abs

[bazooka]

There should be no difference.

I was not trying to be sarcastic, but the program thinks you are trying to make a vcd or svcd when it sees the mpg file extension.

There is mpeg1,mpeg2,mpeg4, and other mpeg formats are on the way.

Mpeg1 is used in vcd.

[jimmalenko]

bazooka, I hate to say it mate, but you're wrong.

you can add mpeg, avi, wmv ... whatever the hell you want to a data CD or DVD and Nero will not (and should not) give a shit. abs simply wants to put a MPEG on a data disc, because his DVD player can play MPEGs directly from data discs.

Once again let me emphasize, you are wrong, and have really made a right-royal ass of yourself in the process.

[bazooka]

bazooka, I hate to say it mate, but you're wrong.

you can add mpeg, avi, wmv ... whatever the hell you want to a data CD or DVD and Nero will not (and should not) give a shit. abs simply wants to put a MPEG on a data disc, because his DVD player can play MPEGs directly from data discs.

Once again let me emphasize, you are wrong, and have really made a right-royal ass of yourself in the process.

Please ignore my comments in this thread.

I am in a funk tonight.

[jimmalenko]

Once again let me emphasize, you are wrong, and have really made a right-royal ass of yourself in the process.

Please ignore my comments in this thread.

I am in a funk tonight.

Sorry mate. I didn't mean to offend, just telling it how it is

I know you're down with that