FIXED!! Problems with FF/REW and chapter adv

[sjm817]

I made my first DVD with SVCD2DVD today (registered version). The source files were 5 SVCD MPEGs that were encoded with TMPGEnc using VBR 2 pass.

All seemed to go well and didn't take nearly as long as I would have thought.

I used the default parameters, made a 5 title menu, one for each file. I set chapters to be set 10 min for each mpeg file.

I used Nero to burn the video files to a DVD-R disk.

The disk works fine in my JVC XV-S300 set top player (secondary system). I can fast forward and advance chapters fine.

If I play in in my Go-Video 2730 (primary system), the disk works but I have problems with FF/REW and chapters. The sound advances using either, but the picture completely freezes!

This DVD player has a network connection that allows me to stream audio, video, pictures. I need to have the disk working properly on this DVD player. I about 20 more SVCD's that I want to convert, but need to sort this out first.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

[HighDesert]

svcd2dvd bascially tricks dvd players to thinking these discs are DVD's. The audio is converted to 48 khz and other parameters are set to fool dvd players. But from what I have read in other threads, these discs are not completely DVD compliant. I came across an Emerson deck that would not play svcd2dvd discs at all.. it just said no disc. But it works fine in all the other decks I have tried. That emerson was one of those VHS/DVD combo units. All I can suggest is try buring the disc DVD+r if your writer will allow. Try different media. Also burn with another app other then Nero. I have found Recordnow max software is more compatible with more dvd players. If you have HP burning software then that probably is the same as recordnow. Just burn the video/audio ts as a data disc. I would experiment with different media first. Personally, I don't expect this program will work with all hardware. Just like many dvd decks won't work with dvds copied to dvd r discs. Some dvd players won't even play regular dvds very well.

The problem is there really is no definite dvd authoring in the industry. I don't think there is a concrete compliant standard. Thats why I always review the dvd player section in vcdhelp to see what certain models will do and cannot do. SVCD2DVD works most of the time but there are lots of players it won't work on. I guess thats why there is a demo trial version to see if it works but that would not help you in this case being that the trial version does not have FW RW or chapter options. I had a bit of trouble with the trial myself so I took a chance when I registered for the full version. But it works ok for me. No show stopper issues. Too bad the trial version has to be crippled but I can understand why Chrissy does that.
Good luck.

[sjm817]

Thanks for the reply HighDesert

I tried different media with no change. My burner is DVD-R only.

I did try the demo version first, but as you pointed out, there is no FF/REW on the demo, so I didn't see the problem.

The reason I use the Go- Video DVD player is it the built in D5 networked media adapter. I stream a library of 3000+ mp3 audio files from a Linux server. No other DVD player can do this. It can also stream video files and pictures. Very cool player.

The disc does work fine in my JVC player.

The question I have is: Is there any other way to do the conversion that would make it more compatible with set top players, or am I basically out of luck with the GO-Video player?

[sjm817]

UPDATE

I downloaded the sample from the svcd2dvd site and burned a DVD with Nero in my usual way.

The sample works! It is a very short 16:9 clip, with 6 ch audio and no menu. Mine is a full DVD 4:3 with a menu and 2 ch audio. It seem it is possible to get this working.

I need some help from the experts here. Chrissy???

[HighDesert]

I would also like to know how these samples were made. I downloaded the NTSC DVD-SVCD Sample and it reported mpeg-2 video at 2.0 vbr and Dolby 5.1 at 448 kbps.

EDIT update
Normally, SVCD will report mpeg 2 video and mpeg audio at 224kbps. I just saw some files on the net that were encoded with 5.1 6 channel to SVCD. It can be done. Basically this will look more like a DVD to a DVD player and may be why your go video likes them. I Have no idea how to encode DVD to SVCD with 5.1 but I am sure the tools are available on this site somewheres.
The bottom line is those samples are much different then your normal SVCD files. And the one file I saw tonight is an extreme rare case where a movie was encoded like this.

What I don't know is if SVCD2DVD took those files and authored it to DVD. Chrissy would probably know if that is possible.

[sjm817]

I tried converting to AC3 audio and that didn't help.

I also tried another program DVD-Lab, which will also put SVCD on DVD. Same problem. It works, but video freezes on FF/Rew.

What I dont understand is why does the sample on the SVCD2DVD site work? Is it something to do wit the way I encoded the SVCD with TMPGEnc?

[HighDesert]

I tried converting to AC3 audio and that didn't help.

I also tried another program DVD-Lab, which will also put SVCD on DVD. Same problem. It works, but video freezes on FF/Rew.

What I dont understand is why does the sample on the SVCD2DVD site work? Is it something to do wit the way I encoded the SVCD with TMPGEnc?

Did you encode them to dolby 5.1 6 channel with 448Kbps? Those samples are encoded that way.. which is very rare for SVCD's. The samples are basically structured very similar to a regular DVD. I still like to know if all the samples were actually processed with svcd2dvd. I think It takes different tools to make a sample look like that. And I can understand why it will be more compatible for DVD players.. the samples are much closer to DVD structure keeping the 5.1 dolby and 448kbps audio. My guess is your audio from your SVCD's is nowhere near like the samples.

Well its been over a week since you started this thread. Hopefully Chissy will reply this thread soon. I think that it is odd that Chrissy uses samples that are obviously different then most svcd's. If indeed theses samples were made with svcd2dvd, then It would be nice if Chrissy puts up a guide on how to make movies with the dolby 5.1 6 track 448kbps audio. That is why in my opinion why your go-video dvd likes the samples

[sjm817]

To use AC-3, there is that little AC-3 button option under audio encoder. You need to have Soft Encode installed for it to work (Google it).


I dont think its audio related. When I FF and the video locks up, the audio does FF and plays again when I hit play if that makes any sense.

[HighDesert]

Well, the audio and video are multiplexed together as one happy file. They are connected, related and influence each other for the most part. What "you see and hear" happening may be difficult to point a finger at the audio or video. But like I said.. they are both coming from one multiplexed file. One in the same more or less.

The fact remains that the samples on the site are very very different in how the audio streams are multiplexed onto the mpeg2 file. One thing is for sure, if you find what tools and how those files were encoded it will work on your deck. Last suggestion I have is try other burning softwares to burn or author your finished DVD. I use Stomp recordnow Max. With Nero, I had some issues playing on my portable and one standalone. With recordnow max..my dvdr's play on those as well. I personally don't like how Nero burns DVDs especially the 5x version.. I had issues with 6 as well.. I still use Nero for some tasks.. but never when burning the dvdr's. So you could mess with that as well.. The problem is, I think recordnow max is not supported for awhile and may not work on all DVDr reocorders..

However, I think there is a updated version. Click on the recordnow max link above and check what others say.. There is links in that discussion on what drives are supported. One thing that alot of people say is it is more compatible with more dvd players then Nero. I can attest to this. For burning DVDr's there is none better.

[sjm817]

Thanks again for the reply. I forgot to mention, I did try different burning software, different media, and as before even a different program, DVD-Lab as well as AC-3 audio. Always the same results

I need to know what is different about the sample.

[HighDesert]

Thanks again for the reply. I forgot to mention, I did try different burning software, different media, and as before even a different program, DVD-Lab as well as AC-3 audio. Always the same results

I need to know what is different about the sample.

What is different is the easy part... The audio is dolby 5.1 6 channel mpeg @ 448kbps.....which is what most normal retail DVD's will show. Almost all SVCD that I have seen in the last 3 or 4 years are aways mpeg audio 224kbps 2 channel stereo.

The hard part is how the h*!** did they do it? Which tools, and if svcd2dvd actually authored the mpeg2 or if this sample is from dvdshink etc... I am a bit curious about this myself. I also think that those are not good samples to accurately test this program.

[sjm817]

I guess I wasn't clear in my post. I DID try with 5.1 448kbs audio. It didn't make adifference. Same exact problem. You need to use Soft Encode and check the AC-3 option if you want 448kbs 5.1

[ChrissyBoy]

The samples were taken from this site:

https://www.videohelp.com/svcd#sample

The bins were extracted and mpegs were stripped of extra streams so that i had:

PAL: 480*576 MPEG2 1850Kbps with one mpeg audio stream @ 44.1KHz

NTSC: 480*480 MPEG2 2000Kbps with one mpeg audio stream @ 44.1KHz

And then used SVCD2DVD to produce 4 sample DVDs from these, including the pan & scan stuff.

AC3 was use to be compliant with the NTSC spec, in the NTSC samples, but the original audio is vanilla mpeg-1 layer 2

The original mpegs that I used are here:

PAL

NTSC

[sjm817]

Thanks for the reply.

Soooo. Any idea how to fix my issue? The sample works, but my files dont. They were encoded with TMPGEnc using 2 pass VBR, 1680 kbs average and 96K audio. They are mpeg files, not bin/cue. AC3 conversion did not help.

I really want to get this working. There must be an answer since the sample file works.

[sjm817]

Have to admit I'm disappointed with the support of your product. I downloaded the sample and tried it. It worked fine. I downloaded the demo version od SVCD2DVD and tried it to be sure it worked before I bought it. It did work except that FF/REW and chapter advance are disabled in the demo. The only features in the demo that are disabled are the ones that dont work for me.

I appreciate you popping into the thread, but it really would have helped if you offered a suggestion or two on how I can fix this. Its not like I haven't tried on my own to fix it. I've tried everything I possibly can.

I would like to get this working and am open to suggestions. I can send you log files, samples or whatever if it helps.

[ChrissyBoy]

Well you have tried most things with the same result. The DVD-SVCDs you produce play fine on the JVC but not on the Go-Video. That in its self would lead me to say that the Go-Video just can't handle the DVD-SVCDs. Couple that to the fact that DVDLab authored DVD-SVCDs behave in the same way, virtually confirms it. DVD-SVCDs do not play on all DVD players. Fact.

Nevertheless, here are a few things to try:

Try a DVD-SVCD with just one of the mpgs as a test. That way we can see if it is the “joining” of the mpgs which cause the issue.

If that fails, same as above but let womble do its magic:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=228458&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

If that fails try VideoReDo with its quick stream fix, again on a single mpg file.

Whilst you are doing that, if you could upload a sample to:

ftp://SVCD2DVD:Upload@ftp.svcd2dvdmpg.com:7676/

Let me know when you have & I will take a look. I have to say though that without a Go-Video player it will be hard to replicate the issue.

[sjm817]

WOOT! Initial testing looks good. Running the mpeg through Womble seems to do the trick. I can now FF/REW just fine.

This is on a single 800 Meg mpeg. I've been testing this way after the first couple of failures to save time. Didn't do anything with the audio either. Just standard 48K mpeg audio. I also bought a couple of -RW disks since too many -R disks were getting thrown out.

Next will be a multi file disk. My goal is 5 SVCD on one DVD-R. These are just home movies. Each one is just over 800M (max for CDR disk) so it should fit fine.

Thanks for the help. I knew it could be fixed since the sample worked. I'll update once I get to the next stage.

[ChrissyBoy]

If the fact that adding a second mpeg file to the VTS reintroduces the issue, try VideoReDo. It will do the same as Womble but you can join at the same time!

[sjm817]

Update, and its a good one!

I made a full DVD out of 5 SVCD's. I ran them all through Womble first. I also split one of them with Womble to separate 2 different events. I used standard mpeg audio.

I wound up with 6 VTS files. I made a menu with 6 buttons and set chapters every 10 min for the heck of it. I have ~ 5 Hrs of SVCD on the DVD disk.

It works perfectly! The menu works, FF/REW and chapter advance works great as well. This is exactly what I wanted to do. take my SVCD home movies collapse them onto DVD disks. This will take the pile of 25 down to 5.

Thanks for the great product and the help in solving my problem.

[ChrissyBoy]

Glad it is sorted!