Single Disc DVD w/ 4:3 AND 16:9 Versions....I Only Want One?

[GrandCru]

I have: MTR, DVD2One, Toast6.

I'm trying to backup one of my most viewed DVDs (Hellraiser, YEAH!) and it has both widescreen and standard versions on a single disc. I only want to retain the widescreen version on my backup. How would I do this using the software above?

[GrandCru]

More in detail: I want to keep everything (menus, spec. features, etc) except the full screen version.

[GrandCru]

Sorry but I have to throw another wrench into this...I should've noted that this is a single-sided disc.

Basically what I'm looking for is software that will tell me which file is the 16:9 version and 4:3 version so that I can remove the one I don't want. Will MTR or DVD2One do that?

[deadsierra]

DVD Player will tell you. Just play the version you want, and look at the title number.

[geezerbuttz]

Hmmmmm , thanks for that idea , i will see about adding it th MTR for the next release.

[DVD_Ripper]

I think programs like DVDClone and DVDshrink will give you a preview of the track... in which case you could see which one you want.

[TugBoat]

I think programs like DVDClone and DVDshrink....

Too bad those programs won't work on a Mac
But not really... What does work is double clicking on a VOB with Quicktime Pro (MPEG2 Component installed), or opening the VOB with either Toast 6 (Video Tab), VLC, or MPlayer OS X 2. All those programs will open the VOB video in a window and then it's very easy to determine what aspect and part of the DVD the title set is. You can also view the video by opening the DVD track with YadeX. It's very easy to tell the difference between 4:3 and 16:9

One of the tricks you can use with DVD2oneX is to compress the different Title sets independently. Extract a Title set with MTR, open that VIDEO_TS folder with DVD2oneX, choose 'User Defined', Disk Copy, and set the size to half of the original. Afterwards, change the file numbers to match the Title sets in the original DVD. Do not replace the original VIDEO_TS.xxx files, just the VTS_xx_x.xxx files.

You can do this with the duplicate main Title and even choose not to include audio. You can keep running DVD2oneX on the duplicate main title as much as you want, I stopped after the now audio-less 3.9GB Dup. main title was around 600MB and still viewable in DVD Player. The only problem is if the main menu is in the title set you choose to compress. It usually isn't on those DL DVDs with two main features.

When you're finished with that, run DVD2oneX on the new VIDEO_TS folder and choose DVD+-R(W), Disk Copy. The results will be highly compressed extras and a good main feature. Or, you could just delete the main feature VOBs you don't want and make a note never to choose that feature in the menu (usually after deleting a feature set, the DVD doesn't need compressing). Again, there is a problem if the main menu is in that deleted Title set. DVD Players get upset when you choose something and it's not there anymore.... I have a few DVDs that are missing the 16:9 feature, as long as I choose 4:3, everything's fine

[geek rock]

it could be that the fullscreen version is part of the widescreen version. some discs are authored so that a player set to "4:3 PS" will automatically zoom in on the 16:9 image, to fill a 4:3 screen. this will obviously mean that parts are cut off.

does the disc actually have an option to view the 16:9 or 4:3 modes?

[BernieR]

does the disc actually have an option to view the 16:9 or 4:3 modes?

if it has a option and you remove one of those options i wonder what will happen when you burn the new disc and someone selects the wrong option?

Bernie

[TugBoat]

Like most everything else, it depends on the particular player and disc. 'I Spy' is one such disc. The Widescreen version is MIA. Choosing WS in Apple's DVD Player will cause the Player to hang. The same choice on my Sylvania all-in-one will cause a Featurette to play...in the wrong aspect :P
At worse, you'll have to restart the player, the Sylvania merely needs you to choose the menu again and make another choice. I would advise you to label those discs that have been altered

[EJub]

I would say that there is only one way to find out if there are two sets of video data: test it.

Rip the whole DVD to your computer. Since you can open the Video_TS folder in Apple's DVD player, this also allows you to move the suspected 4:3 files to another directory.

Not very elegant, but you should be able to test like this to see if you can eliminate some data and remove files.

However, the 4:3 option on the back up will lead nowhere if you go through with it.

[GrandCru]

thanks for the help fellas. i tried doing a straight disk copy in DVD2OneX with both versions but the picture quality is horrible. i'm sure if i remove one of the versions, it would improve dramatically. the disc does have seperate options for the 16:9 and 4:3 versions.

i will try viewing the 4:3 vob file in dvd player tonight and then remove it and see what happens when i compress. i'll let you folks know how it turns out.

[TugBoat]

I will try viewing the 4:3 vob file in dvd player tonight and then remove it and see what happens when I compress.

I think you'll find that DVD2oneX will not do a 'Disk Copy' compress after you remove those files. 'All Files must be present, blah, blah...' You'll have to do the Math, add up the space you'll save by deleting those files, choose 'User Defined' for size, and choose a size like 4.3 + space you'll save = User Defined size of Compressed DVD. That way once you delete the files the size should be less that 4.36GB.

I would suggest doing the trick of compressing the Extras first (the trailers anyway), then replacing the Extras in the main VTS folder with the smaller versions before doing the User Defined compression. Also, like I mentioned before, you can't delete the Main Menu. The main menu on the I Spy disc is Title Set 1 and the Main Feature is Title Set 5. Sometimes the Main Menu is the first VOB in the Main Feature Title set ...Beware... You can open the independent VOBs with the programs I mentioned earlier, it's much easier than using DVD Player 8)