Latest Copy Protection Plan

[gitreel]

France's Golden oldies

p2pnet.net News:- Buena Vista Home Entertainment (BVHE) loves high security DVDs. Not only it has launched suicide DVDs in North America, Mickey's maker has now adopted another so-called unrippable protection system for its DVDs in France.

This time it's in the shape of a gold and silver hologram which will probably soon be on the back of every DVD.

It was tested in France on the Lion King DVD and Finding Nemo, unleashed this week, is the first protected video disc to be released.

Next will be two other releases for younger audiences - Brother Bear and The Haunted Mansion, expected in August.

Buena Vista Home Entertainment plans to spread its holograms over the planet, mainly to eradicate Asian DVD-ripping.

Thuan Huynh - Paris, France

I wonder how long before this is cracked?

[JEEPn]

how is the gold and silver hologram suppose to stop the rip process?

can you give any details or a link about the protection scheme.

[gitreel]

I got this story off www.p2pnet.net

[guns1inger]

It won't. The theory is you won't be able say "I didn't know" when you get caught with an asian sourced knock-off because it doesn't have the hologram. Microsoft tried it a while ago for software . . . . . . . . not a huge success.

It just makes it easier to identify original product versus high quality knock-offs

[Mr anderson]

just like their ones on the old VHS, that wont take long then!

[JEEPn]

the article says: unrippable protection system

I don't think so.

I believe it will protect consumers from buying copies being passed of as original.

I would really like to know how rampant this practice is...real numbers not stats coming from the MPAA. How many ppl do buy these knockoffs.

[dphirschler]

Did I read that correctly? Are they putting the hologram on the data side of the disc? I suppose the laser is able to read through the hologram while a PC's laser will not? I am confused.


Darryl

[dfluke]

This is the only thing I've been able to find about this subject:

{Disney DVD packaging already incorporates dual-film holograms but now it's going one step further with pioneering AEGIS (Anti-Counterfeit Encrypted Graphic Imaging System) holograms on the disc itself. These are a series of sparkling dots that can form pictures, such as the Buena Vista castle, around the inside ring of DVDs. Sneddon continues; "We're working with Customs & Excise, giving them manuals and posters of the new holograms so that they know what to look for when they seize suspect products."}

[VCDHunter]

This is the only thing I've been able to find about this subject:

{Disney DVD packaging already incorporates dual-film holograms but now it's going one step further with pioneering AEGIS (Anti-Counterfeit Encrypted Graphic Imaging System) holograms on the disc itself. These are a series of sparkling dots that can form pictures, such as the Buena Vista castle, around the inside ring of DVDs. Sneddon continues; "We're working with Customs & Excise, giving them manuals and posters of the new holograms so that they know what to look for when they seize suspect products."}

Not really copy protection per se, seems to be a way of proving DVDs are manufactured originals rather than copies.

[handyguy]

So, just play it on a macro free dvd player & feed it to a dvd recorder. Presto, copy-o.

[VCDHunter]

So, just play it on a macro free dvd player & feed it to a dvd recorder. Presto, copy-o.

Why ? Just copy it using your DVDRom. I mean if they are sticking things onto the data side of the disc its not gonna work in a DVD Player, at a guess I'd say if my DVD Player still reads it I'd of thought so would my PC.

[aero]

relax this is a BS posting form a site filled with misinformation.
The hologram is what is difficult to copy and it is to help combat large scale piracy by helping authenticate the disks.

an idiot wrote the article.

[Madz]

Gee, this is from the company that originally tried to make home taping of TV programs and sales of VCR's illegal in the States. Just search Google for the Betamax case.

[gitreel]

relax this is a BS posting form a site filled with misinformation.
The hologram is what is difficult to copy and it is to help combat large scale piracy by helping authenticate the disks.

an idiot wrote the article.

Naturally you would think a p2p web site is a bs website.

[aero]

Naturally you would think a p2p web site is a bs website.

well everyone here now knows what you posted from "p2p" is. look at the article you posted. It is hilarious and written by someone who doesn't even understand dvds!

Are you saying this article is serious? I hope you learned something from the comments by everyone else that said this story was BS.

If you are going to post infomrationjm written by people who don't even have the most basic facts right, and then say they come from expert websites, you argue going to be laughed at.

Did the author of your expert article also work at the National Enquirer?

[gitreel]

Unless you work either for disney or buena vista, then you are in no position to say it is bs. Alot of people think you are a clown. Why don't you take your superiority complex and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. I am tired of you commenting after me. You are not the expert on things, so why don't you shut your yap aero.

[Nilfennasion]

There is a more logical reason to believe that this new copy protection scheme is BS (don't yell at me yet, gitreel). When you add something to the data side of a disc, be it a hologram or a simple imprint, there is going to be a problem with set-top DVD players not being able to read it. Maybe the number of players that have trouble with it will not be significant, but maybe it will be. Disney will face hellfire in Australia if a name brand like Toshiba has a problem reading these discs, for certain.

Without more specific information about the nature of the protection, it is hard to tell, but it would be in Disney's better interests to simply make their product more distinct from high-class pirate product. Copy protection has been an abysmal failure. I wonder what it will take to make these companies wake up and smell the coffee.

[gitreel]

Nilfennasion, I do not have a problem with you at all. I was just pointing out the latest so called protection plan. I know it will not work either. I just get tired of aero. If he doesn't like my post, he can ignore them.

[adam]

According to that quote someone posted, the holograms will be placed on the inner ring where there is no data. I've seen plenty of DVDs with various artwork/information on this portion of the disk. The DVD drives won't even read this part of the disk so it shouldn't cause any problems. Of course every company makes mistakes, but I'd assume they'd do extensive research and testing to assure that they don't sacrifice compatibility for what seems like a very minor security addition. I don't see any reason to assume this is a false story, though that could easily be the case.

If they are doing this I really don't see the problem. It is just a service to the consumer so they that they know they are buying an authentic product. Its definitely not copy protection though. Its just an authenticity marker. Its no different then the holograms printed on the DVD case covers, which some bootleggers can replicate btw.

[Nilfennasion]

Nilfennasion, I do not have a problem with you at all.

Well, I am glad someone finally doesn't.

I remember when Microsoft started shipping discs with holographic images on them. The claim was made that they would stop piracy and bootlegging dead in their tracks. Well, they did... for about two seconds. The mass-piracy industry simply found a way to make their own holographic labels.

[proxyx99]

There are so many "old style" DVD players on the market that introducing new and elaborate protection scheme is very unlikely. That could even more alienate potential customers and turn the market upside down. They will most likely wait for say HDDVD premiere and then introduce new protection technology. Question only how long it's gonna last (history says not long...).

[Nilfennasion]

That's the only effective copy-protection - making a format that people don't have the processing power, hard drive space, or drive arrangement, to copy. It doesn't last that long, but it works.

[flaninacupboard]

said it before and i'll say it again - i've seen pirate cd, pirate dvd, pirate md, pirate casette tape, pirate vhs. i have never seen pirate LD.

You make the next format an 8" disc and not only do we get massive amounts of data/longer running time, it's also not copyable in a PC.

would you spend a couple hundred dollars on an external drive to READ a 8" bluray disc, let alone WRITE one?! probably not.

LD teaches us something else. what would you rather watch, an MPEG2 hi def format or a triple layer (Red Green and Blue) 12" analogue (i.e. uncompressed) disc? i know which i would rather watch. how does the average home user go about copying an analogue disc, at best a DVD recorder, at worst they resort to VHS. but hey, i'll just get told off for talking crazy again

[Nilfennasion]

When a format becomes the dominant standard, they will adopt technology around it. Doesn't matter if the disc is 12" or 24" - someone will develop a way to copy it. The reason that LD copiers never appeared is because the technology never took off. They had adverts for it here in Australia, and even demonstrations, but in twenty years, I only ever met one family who owned LD equipment.

[dphirschler]

There actually are LD burners. Someone on this forum has one, though I forget who. John "fulci lives" maybe?


Darryl

[flaninacupboard]

nah, it's BJ_M

people wouldn't be as aufay with copying a 12" disc because it doesn't fit in their PC. how many folks have we seen since christmas trying to copy dvds simply because their pc came with a dvd burner so they may as well learn how to use it...?

a 12" LD burner is NEVER gonna be standard in a PC

[Nilfennasion]

I think what I was trying to say is that if LDs had become the video standard instead of DVD (or VHS at the time they were first released), you would have definitely seen one in a computer. They were badly promoted and badly supported, so they did not take off, ergo no duplication systems for home users were made, at least in large amounts. According to what I have heard recordable DVD was never going to come out, but someone nudged the guys at Toshiba and reminded them that a format that didn't allow the possibility of recording TV signals at the very least had no chance of putting VHS into extinction.

Whichever format they decide to bring out next, I hope they get it into their heads that double-sided discs are an absolute no-no. They are absolute bastards to clean and keep scratch-free, hence my use of a DVD recorder to back up my Region 1 StarShip Troopers. Perhaps Mr. Valenti can compel studios to stop making double-sided monstrosities so I will listen when he says "please stop duplicating the discs". :P

[flaninacupboard]

you REALLY think this would be as common an object as an internal DVD burner?



And of course that's a READER, christ knows how big the writers are!

[gitreel]

you REALLY think this would be as common an object as an internal DVD burner?



And of course that's a READER, christ knows how big the writers are!

What computer is that? It looks to be as old as dirt?

[Mr anderson]

looks like a bbc , i thought all of those were put up agaist a wall and shot dead