Latest Copy Protection Plan

[flaninacupboard]

yeah, that's a BBC micro controlling the LD-ROM unit.

[TBoneit]

In Actuallity the studios have come up with the perfect copy protection scheme.

It works very reliably against me with their product.

What is this copy protection scheme that works so well?

They keep putting out stuff (Polite word for Feces), that I don't want to see even one time, let alone a second time. Last ones I bought were the two Harry Potter's that the rest of the family wanted to see. I'll probably have to buy the third one when it is released too.

I got rid of the premium movie channels a couple of years ago. I look at what's showing in the online guide every so often and haven't seen anything worth resubbing yet. What have I been watching then? Some first run showing of netwrok shows, Red Dwarf, Allo Allo, and now that BBC America is running Fawlty Towers, and Are You Being Served, & Thin Blue Line, I've been watching them.

Cheers

[VCDHunter]

yeah, that's a BBC micro controlling the LD-ROM unit.

Thought so - I remember them from school.

[dafoe]

While I agree that if somrthing is popular enough technology will be developed to copy it, the Dreamcast had a pretty good protection scheme.

You don't need a mod-chip to play backups. But, PCs cant read the discs because of the way they are written.

You can get the game to your PC, but many ganes are over 1gb. I am assuming you would either have to cut out some FMV- which is unacceptable to most people. Or perhaps there is a way to put the game on two CDs? Either way, the games are a pain in the ass if not impossible to copy.

The major studios are going to have to admit that they lost the DVD piracy batlle and focus on the next round- Blu Ray or whatever format comes next.

The next medium has to have software AND hardware protection. How many people are going to bother to have thier player chipped to play backups? Not too many. Basically the only people that will do this will be the hardcore pirates. Commercial pirates? Please! The only way to stop them is to find and arrest them.

Maybe 50 years from now you'll be forced to submit to a fingerprint and retina scan before you can purchase or watch movie. A little extreme, but the "protections" they have now are a joke.

[trossin]

That's not a computer. This is:


If that doesn't work, try this:

http://www.geocities.com/ted_rossin/Electronics/RCA/RCA.html

[flaninacupboard]

looks similar to the one deckard uses in blade runner

[aero]

Unless you work either for disney or buena vista, then you are in no position to say it is bs. Alot of people think you are a clown. Why don't you take your superiority complex and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. I am tired of you commenting after me. You are not the expert on things, so why don't you shut your yap aero.

that is your response to everyone who checked found you posted a bogus article? your "expert"s don't even understand the diference between a hologram used to identify a package and encryption.

Since you don't seem to even have the slightest grasp on the basics, I suggest you do a bit of reading.

Your posting was laughable and NOT one person commenting took it seriously. don't be so thin skinned and whiney about it.

[gitreel]

I am not whiney and thin-skinned. I have been researching copyrights and such for about five years sttraight. I read about it every day, and was even told I could be a para-legal on the subject.

I just have a difference of opinion with you, but you continuously go behind my post instead of just chalking it up to a difference of opinion and ignoring it, you purposely try to insult my intelligence and post inflammatory statements like being in black helicopters.

Disney started this whole mess by getting congress to extend copyrights because they were about to lose the rights to mickey mouse. If you even have a open mind about this, this the civil disobedience on the customers part by backing up our dvd's and using p2p.

[aero]

I am not whiney and thin-skinned. I have been researching copyrights and such for about five years sttraight. I read about it every day, and was even told I could be a para-legal on the subject.

I just have a difference of opinion with you, but you continuously go behind my post instead of just chalking it up to a difference of opinion and ignoring it, you purposely try to insult my intelligence and post inflammatory statements like being in black helicopters.

Disney started this whole mess by getting congress to extend copyrights because they were about to lose the rights to mickey mouse. If you even have a open mind about this, this the civil disobedience on the customers part by backing up our dvd's and using p2p.

I made the statement about black helicopters because the article on holograms being encryption, which you posted, was obviously written by someone who knows nothing. You don't disagree with that do you?

You also made a statement that copyright was invalid, as the original owner still had their original copy, so others copying it didn't take away from them. If you say you made that statment seriously, then it is plainly idiotic ,and no one would have one iota of rights to any material, including for example patents. On would also be able to copy a movie and show it at their own theater for profit

You can find lots of material on copyright by people who don't believe in intellectual property -- just like you find postings by people who don't belive in private ownership of property period.

You and I probably agree more than you might realize. I think the DMCA is BS and draconian. I think many of the the actions of the RIAA and the MPAA are over the top, dispicable and poor business to boot. I think they also fudge facts in their press releases in order to scare people (frequently and purposely fudging "downloading" when they mean "uploading."

(this is NOT to say that that dowloading isn't often illegal, it is that it is almost impossible to enforce without ridicoulous invasions of privacy.)

But I also make my living creating and selling intellectual property. I also live in a country (the US) where intellectual property is a growing an important part of the economy which deserves some protection.

Just as I find the RIAA and MPAA actions offensive, I find it offensive that people use rationalizations to deny ownership which is in fact based on laws and concepts that have been around before the RIAA or the MPAA. Many of those rationalizations are just things people have cooked up to make themselves feel better about getting songs and films for free.

Hey I admit it I've done myself, not just to back up an owned copy or for fair use, but to get something for nothing. My guess is almost everyone has. When I had my first computer 20 years ago we called it "sneakerware" We belonged to groups and traded software physically.

But I don't kid myself and try and state that it is "ok" because the owner is already rich, or because I can get a freeware deCSS and therefore it must be ok.

Let's address the simple question of where the medium lies. Anyone who knows technology knows the entertainment industry went overboard with paranoia and misunderstanding efficiencies and never came back. But we also know if everyone can just copy film or content, no one will bother making them.

[gitreel]

Then can we just call a truce, because I am tired of fighting with you?

[DivXExpert]

Once you make a product that can be played on a computer you are screwed. The only way to prevent exact duplication, is to make the product playable on only one type of machine, and not let anybody else manufacture players. And not have ROM versions that work in PCs. People will still make DVD recorded copies, and VHS copies, but no bit-for-bit duplication.

[aero]

Once you make a product that can be played on a computer you are screwed. The only way to prevent exact duplication, is to make the product playable on only one type of machine, and not let anybody else manufacture players. And not have ROM versions that work in PCs. People will still make DVD recorded copies, and VHS copies, but no bit-for-bit duplication.

That is both true and not. How did the film, software and music industries make any revenue? I am sure what you mean is you are screwed... after a certain amount of time ... and if you don't take any action.

The software industry has for the most part been able to get around this through accelerating obsolencence (I am sure I mispelled that). The fact that business buy most high end software and are leary about civil penalties also accrues to protection.

Music has a short life as well, but the industry has a problem in that the buyers are the most technologically adept early adaptors and more likely as well to have a malliable sense of ethics.

Films are a different case. The original is almost completley unchanging, with an expected revenue half life that is quite long. That is why they have attempted to use legal remedies.

Think about it this way, most patented property isn't secret and can be copied, that problem existed long before computers existed. Does that mean the owners are "screwed"? No, they have legal recourse.

Property owners have technical, legal and ethical tools. I find it funny that so many here mocked and denegrated the RIAA's public awareness campaign as some kind of thought police effort. Frankly I see that as better for everyone than breakable encrytion and draconian laws (ala DMCA) that are insanely overbroad.

[proxyx99]

Remeber the Xerox controversy? After years of use (now scanners) everybody understands that the idea is to make life easier. If a particular idea or (today) technology is banned, hunted and portrayed as evil you bet its gonna fly high sooner then later, history proves it

[jeex]

you REALLY think this would be as common an object as an internal DVD burner?



And of course that's a READER, christ knows how big the writers are!

it would be cool if BJ_M would take some detailed pictures of his LD burner and blanks.. i've never seen one, it would be kinda cool.. also the software (if there is any) that is used to copy them.

[Mr anderson]

about the disney hologram, what is the point ( i know that you would be able to tell the difference between the copied and bought 1! but my point is this, someone out there will soon over come this trick, i agree with what i read some where in is forum, move on to protect the next stage of dvds!

[RayH]

Hollograms might protect authenticity from amateur counterfeiters. But for high market guys, they're fairly easy to copy.

[Mr anderson]

yeah but i repeat again , for what point will it MAKE

[RottenFoxBreath]

microsoft already do the hologram on the media side thing,with the xbox games,doesnt stop copying,i think the stand is more on the "oh this is real,and this one isnt test.
i also take it the new hologram costs will be added to the price of a dvd now,as well,another expense they seem to think we want.

[andydd]

I used to work for a hologram production company and they arnt THAT difficult to duplicate if youve got the right equipment, (which is kinda pricey). In fact we used to make Cd size M$ holograms and the security wasnt that tight..(ie we throw reject masters into the bin, although we did try n cut n deface em b4)

[aero]

microsoft already do the hologram on the media side thing,with the xbox games,doesnt stop copying,i think the stand is more on the "oh this is real,and this one isnt test.
i also take it the new hologram costs will be added to the price of a dvd now,as well,another expense they seem to think we want.

The holograms are to help customs officials and other inspectors to tell genuine from counterfiet. they have nothing to do with individuals or individual ccopying. Microsoft doesn't put holograms on their software media and packaging as a method of keeping an individual from copying either.

Af far as whether this type of thing works, or can be broken it is about complexity and difficulty. Example: why do nations bother making currency more difficult to copy? Because it reduces copying in the face of advancing technology as well.

In China I have seen boxes of software whith high production value packaging that it is very hard to determine as pirate copyies. there are copying groups that produce copies in the hundreds of thousands, and without some hard to reporoduce identifying mark one would not even be able to prosecute such operations or even take the material off the market.

[Sam Ontario]

When a format becomes the dominant standard, they will adopt technology around it. Doesn't matter if the disc is 12" or 24" - someone will develop a way to copy it. The reason that LD copiers never appeared is because the technology never took off. They had adverts for it here in Australia, and even demonstrations, but in twenty years, I only ever met one family who owned LD equipment.

Before DVD player, LD player is very popular in Asia, especially, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc. One of the main reasons was for Karaoke sing alongs. I used to own 4 LD players with 3 of them had Karaoke functions. Now I still keep one to play my LD collections.