ready to throw in the towel

[kazz0817]

i'm having wayyyyy to many problems with this whole dvd writing thing to want to carry on with it all anymore, as im starting to think its more trouble than its worth, and time consuming, i dont mind waiting 3 - 4 hours for an avi to encode, if it works properly afterwards, but im having the same juddery dvd after dvd all the time, i took someones advice...and took a small sample from a avi file (so i didnt have to wait 4 hours) and messed with tmpgenc plus options (field order, 3.2, interlace etc etc) trying differant options on the small sample untill i found one that made it come out smooth, without judders, i have tried both field orders a and b, no change, although b improves over a, i have tried using interlace, and 3.2 (have better results with 3.2) i dont have any problems with files that are 25fps, or 29fps, finished results come out a dream, its these 23.97fps files, they all come out juddery no matter what i do, or what option i select, my dvd player supports ntsc as does my tv, so the problem isnt there, i know its not my media, i have scanned every avi thats 23.97 for errors, they are all good files with no errors, so its not the source, as i said in prevous posts, its tmpgenc that seems to screw things up.

the files play fine in media player, its after tmpgenc has converted and i play on my standalone it goes juddery, sometimes slightly, sometimes a lot, its never perfect, whereas 25, and 29fps files always are, i dont know what else to try and am ready to sell my dvd burner....

i have worked on this problem for 4 weeks so nobody can say i havent been patient lol

[kazz0817]

here's the process i go through, maybe i am missing something out (it's all to easy to blame tmpgenc for my problems i know it's probably ME thats doing things wrong)


for 23.97 files

i load my video into tmpgenc
load dvd ntsc template
go to settings
unlock frame rate, and select 23.97
select 3.2 pulldown
go to advanced and seletc field order b
click es video only
start encoding


i exctract audio using vdub and ffmpeggui for the ac3 file

[Roderz]

just use the wizard and select dvd ntsc template and don't unlock any settings
Works 4 me on 23pfs stuff! I dont touch any settings apart from AR and source4 range.

Try a small clip 1st.

[Roderz]

i dont mind waiting 3 - 4 hours for an avi to encode

What !
shouldn't take that long on your A64 3200!
My 2.1XP can do real time for dvd mpeg2 (using mainconcept)

[kazz0817]

the a64 3200 is the pc iam building which will be ready in 2 weeks, the system i am using now is:

amd athlon xp 1800
geforce 4 mx420
256mb ddr
40gb hd
avance ac 97 sound

[kazz0817]

i use the wizard, it does something my previous method never did....it inverses telecline....what does this mean?

[Roderz]

use the wizard, it does something my previous method never did....it inverses telecline....what does this mean?

doig a search will yeild better info than I can give
but for now just leave alone and give it a try - It will work.

As I said b4 I never normally have to touch any of the setting you mention (field order, 3.2, interlace etc etc) to get dvd files, just let tmpgenc do it 4 u.

[kazz0817]

ok i will leave this runing and post back later, thank you for the help roderz

[fritzi93]

<-- Inverse telecine is in the glossary.

Not really worth screwing around with (downloaded?) AVIs, is it? So many obscure problems can creep in when the original encoding was improperly done. Even if it was, there may be codec problems, as with the different flavors of XviD.

I've played around with this some, and have twice come across what you're experiencing. The only thing that worked was to run the AVI through VirtualDub MPEG2, audio full processing to .pcm, and full processing video, recompressing with one of the codecs on my machine. Using default configuration for the compressor. Then TMPGEnc, using DVD-NTSC template, not changing anything. (Then author and burn on a rewritable). This is a long shot, but before you quit, you might try it. Good luck.

P.S. Make sure you follow the recommendations in common TMPGEnc problems<--.

[kazz0817]

still trying roderz idea, remaining time 4 hrs 13 mins (probably cos of my slow processor 1.5ghz) the preview still looks a little jerky, but it always has done for some reason, even on 25fps, and 29fps files which come out ok, this file im using normally takes 3hrs 13mins (ish) so maybe this will work who knows, anyways, as for the codec thing, i can see your point, however, this happens on EVERY 23.97fps avi file i have ever used, so i cant see it being my source on this occasion, other problems ive had in the past it has been my source but i dont thik it is this time, maybe its my slow computer thats affecting my results im not sure if this can happen, all my codecs seem to be ok, and everythings working properly from what i can tell, however im no codec expert so i could be wrong, ill post back later, thanx for the advice & help

[kazz0817]

also....which xvid codec is currently the best one? the one i am using is the one listed on this site in the codec section

[kazz0817]

i am encoding 720x480, i know theres another res i can use for dvd's (not sure which yet i will have to read up on it) but would it help if i used the other dvd resolution, to eliminate jerkyness? (still encoding my file btw so awaiting results)

[Roderz]

now something has just jogged my memory, one avi I came across was stutery all the way through the movie (can only describe it as "3steps forward 1 step back" kinda thing)
Nothing I did could cure the stuters - even re-encoding to divx didn't work
Only solution that did work was to change the xvid codec I had installed - that fixed the problem

its the price you have to pay for downloaded crap! (sometimes not worth the effort)

[fritzi93]

now something has just jogged my memory, one avi I came across was stutery all the way through the movie (can only describe it as "3steps forward 1 step back" kinda thing)
Nothing I did could cure the stuters - even re-encoding to divx didn't work
Only solution that did work was to change the xvid codec I had installed - that fixed the problem

its the price you have to pay for downloaded crap! (sometimes not worth the effort)

This somewhat confirms my suspicions about codec problems. Past experience has made me wary about installing any codecs beyond the bare minimum. If running the AVI through VirtualDub in FULL PROCESSING mode doesn't fix it, there's not much choice. (Anyone, please feel free to chime in here.) But beware, there are numerous XviD builds, having multiple XviD codecs on your computer at once could be asking for trouble.

No, downloaded junk is not worth the trouble. IMHO

[Jah_Rankin]

Subscribe to netflix or rent from local, Use Shrink, Ic, Dvd2one, Nero recode, etc, this will solve your problem.

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[kazz0817]

well my avi came out perfect using the wizard, thanx roderz, i had been following a guide which said not to use the wizard, the guide got me through 25fps and 29fps files, but was no good for 23.97fps files, so i guess thats a tip for newbies, be very carefull when following guides, as they dont always help lol, now i am faced with the problem of files over 1gb crashing tmpgenc, im starting to think its my crappy pc that could be struggling with them, even though ive been told my current system should be ok till my new pc (see stats) is built, i may have faster encode time aswell which will be nice, i have been using tmpgenc plus which always crashes large files for me, just downloaded the free version and its encoded more of my video than plus could, so maybe it'll work, will find out in 4 hours

[Jah_Rankin]

so maybe it'll work, will find out in 4 hours[/quote]


I can look @ 3 movies in 4 hrs, again follow info in earlier posting from myself, u'll not be dissapointed. DVD2one, Instant Copy, DVD Shrink, nero recode, etc.

[kazz0817]

weird....the free version of tmpgenc not only encoded my avi in 3 and a half hours (not 4) which was quicker than the plus version but it also had no crashes and my dvd turned out perfect, i have yet to try a couple more "problematic" files, but i have high hopes as the file i have just encoded seem to crash lots more than the others which makes me think it was the worst avi on my hard drive, and its turned out great, another thing i have learned today (probably common sense to most of you but the guide i was following threw me a little) was to set the audio bitrate to 192 - 256ish in the dvdrhelp calculator, the guide i followed was telling me to put the audio bitrate shown in the audio properties in gspot into the calculator which has sometimes been as high as 650kb/s, so i'm actually getting better video bitrates by always adding 192 - 256 kb/s, gives me more room for video quality, so today has turned out good all round

[andyp1]

Just something I picked up on the other day , is that when I use TMPGenc Plus ( I know a lot of guides and things say use 3:2pulldown when encoding to 29fps from 23.97fps) that 3:2 pulldown is automatically done when doing that conversion , I've not had playback problems. I think by selecting 3:2 pulldown you may have been inadvertantly turning it off rather than turning it on. The wording on diferent versions of programmes can vary .
On my version of TMPGenc Plus it says '3:2pulldown' it doesn't say '3:2puldown on playback'.

[kazz0817]

i think you might be right andy, as im not using 3.2 now and my videos are fine

[FOO]

TMPGenc has 3:2 pulldown settings in 2 places
One is under "Advanced" you do not want to check that one
The other is in "Encode Mode". That is the one to use on
23.976 fps video to make it 29.97

[fritzi93]

Good for you. So you're using a free version, do you mean TMPGEnc beta12a? No wizard in that one, and it's in Japanese. You must mean an earlier trialware version. Your problem turned out to be you messed with the defaults, yes?

[kazz0817]

yeah fritz, like i said i just did what the guide told me to do, which was mess with defaults, change a few settings etc, which at the end of the day was fine with 25fps and 29fps file types, but i ran into constant problems with 23fps files, the version im using is 2.5 did a search in dvdrhelp tools section for tmpgenc, saw the plus version and free version, thought id try the free one see if it would make any differance, and it did....my plan now is to copy the defaults from the free version over to the plus version (as i've messed with the settings that much i cannot remember the plus defaults) and see if i can get my tmpgenc plus to perform well

[macleod]

dont know if this will help or hurt, but you might want to try dvd2svcd and use the AVI option and encode to CVD with 48mhz audio. Then author with whichever authoring program you have.

[FOO]

48mhz audio might confuse a player expecting 48 khz audio

[Jah_Rankin]

Subscribe to netflix or rent from local, Use Shrink, Ic, Dvd2one, Nero recode, etc, this will solve your problem.

You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning.
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My Bad,

[Nilfennasion]

I'm not going to say that making copies of DVD-Video software you haven't paid for is a good thing (I used to work in an arm of the industry, so how can I?), but I will say this much...

The DVD Consortium literally invited every pirate, hacker, or curious computer user to give them the finger when they decided to a) plaster copyright messages all over discs and b) make them unskippable. I don't know how many of you have seen discs from PAL countries, but in Australia, the numero uno complaint about DVD-Video until recently has been being forced to watch 16 or so copyright messages, 15 of them being in a language the user doesn't understand. When DVD Recording drives fell below the $300 mark here, everyone was stripping copyright messages out, and exchanging such versions with their friends.

When I think of how to describe the way the DVD Consortium has played the whole copyright protection system (the CSS debacle only demonstrated that apparently casual copying is wrong but mass-piracy is okay according to them), the word "farce" comes to mind. People say they're surprised that video copyrights are broken on a daily basis (and I bet by every single user here). I say I am surprised that they are surprised.

[kazz0817]

those copyright screens suck big time, u cant even skip most of them