English Premiership Question...

[indolikaa]

OK, there's the Premier League, then the lower divisions (One, Two and Three) and then something called the Nationwide conference.

1) I understand relegation and promotion, but does it cover all five divisions? In other words, is it possible for Halifax (Nationwide) to promote into the Premier league by moving each season into the next division through promotion?

2) What is the farthest any team has climbed, and fallen, in this format?

Somebody once told me West Ham moved from Division Three into the Premier league over a period of years but has since been relegated to Division One. Since 'he' couldn't explain the advantage rule to me, I shrugged him off. But now I'm curious.

Thanks!

[VCDHunter]

What advantage rule ? And yes you can climb, climb, climb if you're good enough.

COME ON YOU GUNNERS !

[Will Hay]

1) I understand relegation and promotion, but does it cover all five divisions? In other words, is it possible for Halifax (Nationwide) to promote into the Premier league by moving each season into the next division through promotion?

Yep, absolutely viable and Hlaifax is only 20 miles from me!

What is the farthest any team has climbed, and fallen, in this format?

Other than Wimbledon coming from the Southern League (one below the Nationwide) and ending up in the top flight, culminating in winning the biggest domestic cup trophy; the FA Cup in the late 80's/early 90's (can't remember) I can't think of anyone who hit the heights as hey did.
They're now in the 1st division, and look to be heading for the 2nd, they also play out of Milton Keynes, which is like the distance between Dallas and Vegas for you folks.

Somebody once told me West Ham moved from Division Three into the Premier league over a period of years but has since been relegated to Division One. Since 'he' couldn't explain the advantage rule to me, I shrugged him off. But now I'm curious.

Advantage rule?
I don't know what you mean.
Basically all the teams other than the top flight (Premier) has a chance of promotion to the division above.
The financial gain is huge and the Premier league share of money is immense, even when compared to the 1st division.
Of the 19 clubs in the Premier, an dthen say the 150 remaining, arguably only 30 are good enough to get in the Premier league, and then only 15 of those are good enough to stay there.
Basically, of the divisions other than the Premier, the top two teams are usually promoted and then the next six play each other in a play-off to be awarded the 3rd place promotion spot.
Again, and I'm generalising, the bottom three teams are relegated to the lower league except the conference in which only one is promoted/relegated.
I'm not entirely accurate with that, my team is in the premier league (for now, www.lufc.com; they will survive; the consequencies of my home team bing relagated are disastrous) but if gives you an idea.
Oh, and a typical ******* gunner above (VCDH...) too lazy to either travel to the games or answer the post
"...and shoot the Chelsea, scum, shoot the Chelsea scum, we hate Chelsea, we hate Chelsea"
I'll be rooting for your lot tonight buddy
Will Hay

[indolikaa]

Thank you both!


The Advantage Rule?

A clause in the rules that gives the Referee the discretion to allow play to continue even after a foul has been committed if stopping play would unfairly punish the fouled team (e.g., if the fouled team had a breakaway & might score even after having been fouled). The idea is that the team which committed the foul should not gain an advantage as a result of the foul.

The referee will point both hands down towards the spot of the foul and 'shoo' the play along. Most referees (me included) will also announce to the players that the rule is being invoked, since they often are too busy to see the signal.

An item of interest: the use of the Advantage Rule does not pre-emt the official from carding a player.

[VCDHunter]

Oh, and a typical ******* gunner above (VCDH...) too lazy to either travel to the games or answer the post
"...and shoot the Chelsea, scum, shoot the Chelsea scum, we hate Chelsea, we hate Chelsea"
I'll be rooting for your lot tonight buddy
Will Hay

I'll be rooting and then some - my boss and his boss are both Chelsea supporters, so my working day will be hell if we fail to knock the scum out tonight. So I'll say it one more time -

COME ON YOU GUNNERS !

Good result for Leeds yesterday Mr Hay, your lot may just about stay up this season after all.

[Will Hay]

Thank you both!


The Advantage Rule?

A clause in the rules that gives the Referee the discretion to allow play to continue even after a foul has been committed if stopping play would unfairly punish the fouled team (e.g., if the fouled team had a breakaway & might score even after having been fouled). The idea is that the team which committed the foul should not gain an advantage as a result of the foul.

The referee will point both hands down towards the spot of the foul and 'shoo' the play along. Most referees (me included) will also announce to the players that the rule is being invoked, since they often are too busy to see the signal.

An item of interest: the use of the Advantage Rule does not pre-emt the official from carding a player.

So, my young yankee-doodling friend, what don't you understand?
Alan Smith is tearing his arse down the middle of the field, he's beaten Ray Parlour, Viera is on his arse and Martin Keown is crying like a ******* baby with his neck severed, and then that knobhead 'call yourself a full back' Ashley Cole jumps in with two feet and sends Smith flying, just, just as Smith releases the ball to Viduka who's in a goalscoring position and is 100 to 1 to score against the muppet in goal.
What does the ref do?
Does he give a free kick and let Arsehole-Arsenal get 12 men behind the ball (inc the cheating bastard linesman)?
No, does he bollocks, he says...
"...play on Viduka, put the ball in the fuckin' net lad, go-on son"
That's the advantage rule.
He then goes over to Cole, twats him over the head with the bloody head of Keown and send him off for being shite (not for the two-footed tackle).
Sorry for the language...
...footie, proper footie is an emotional and WONDERFUL game.
Will Hay

[indolikaa]

So, my young yankee-doodling friend, what don't you understand?
Alan Smith is tearing his arse down the middle of the field, he's beaten Ray Parlour, Viera is on his arse and Martin Keown is crying like a ******* baby with his neck severed, and then that knobhead 'call yourself a full back' Ashley Cole jumps in with two feet and sends Smith flying, just, just as Smith releases the ball to Viduka who's in a goalscoring position and is 100 to 1 to score against the muppet in goal.
What does the ref do?
Does he give a free kick and let Arsehole-Arsenal get 12 men behind the ball (inc the cheating bastard linesman)?
No, does he bollocks, he says...
"...play on Viduka, put the ball in the fuckin' net lad, go-on son"
That's the advantage rule.
He then goes over to Cole, twats him over the head with the bloody head of Keown and send him off for being shite (not for the two-footed tackle).
Sorry for the language...
...footie, proper footie is an emotional and WONDERFUL game.
Will Hay

I, um, don't think I could've provided a better example myself.

(No apologies for the language necessary. Not with me, at least.)

I'll only have to take issue with a small part of your discourse, though. When describing proper footie, you forgot the word 'beautiful.'

[VCDHunter]

I, um, don't think I could've provided a better example myself.

(No apologies for the language necessary. Not with me, at least.)

I'll only have to take issue with a small part of your discourse, though. When describing proper footie, you forgot the word 'beautiful.'

He's a Leeds fan - he has no idea what beautiful footie is, it's all boot and rush route one stuff for Mr Hay

[Will Hay]

indo, you're right, I can't believe I missed the word 'beautiful' out either.


VCD...
Clearly you're an Arsenal fan and can't appreciate a scoreline greater than 1-0?
Man, I was there when we were 3-0 down to Derby and beat them 4-3, with a bowyer goal in the 90th, and the day we were 2-0 down to Liverpool and won 3-2, all from Viduka, 3 shots on goal, 3 goals.
Or the 5-0 win over Besitkas, or the 1-0 win over AC.
All wonderful occasions but since having my first child )I'm on No. 2 as most of you know) I had to give up the annual season ticket
Sad, those days have gone, ever sadder conidering they were only 30 months ago
Will

[flaninacupboard]

The small village team of Steeple Sinderby Wanderers won the FA cup back in the 1980's!

[VCDHunter]

VCD...
Clearly you're an Arsenal fan and can't appreciate a scoreline greater than 1-0?

Those days are pretty much over, though I'd take that tonight.

One nil to the Arsenal, one nil to the Arsenal, one nil to the Arsenal !

sing along now . . . . .

[Will Hay]

The small village team of Steeple Sinderby Wanderers won the FA cup back in the 1980's!

Erm, no they didn't!
If they did, it wasn't the FA Cup!
Will

[flaninacupboard]

Google it!

[rhegedus]

2) What is the farthest any team has climbed, and fallen, in this format?

I think Swansea City went from the fourth division (what would be the third division now) to the first division (what is now the premiership) and back down again in about 10 years.

http://www.scfc.co.uk/history.html

The new management team of Malcolm Struel and Harry Griffiths then reverted to fundamentals and to the joyful true Swans supporters, the start of that fantastic rise was evident. From 22nd in 1974-75, Harry used his bunch of free transfer men and got to 11th in the following term and 5th in 1976-77. In the March of 1978, John Toshack came as player-manager and the 'rocket' was fired.

1977-78 - promotion to Division 3, 1978-79 - promotion to Division 2 and in 1980-81 for the first time, to Division One. What was more, in that first season, the club headed the table three times and were never out of the top 6.

Sadly, after that, things went wrong on and off the field, and the club slipped to Division Two and then Three in successive seasons. Indeed, it was necessary to get a point from the final game of the 1984-85 season to stop the team slipping from one to four in successive seasons.

[VCDHunter]

Google it!

It's a bloody book, not a real event.

[Craig Tucker]

My team, Swindon Town climbed from the old 4th division (what is now the 3rd division) to the Premier league in 7 years. We are now back in the 2nd division but things look good for possible promotion back to the 1st this year.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/ForceFrames.htm?http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Achi...FourChamps.asp

Oh by the way, bad luck last night VCDHunter.

[VCDHunter]

Oh by the way, bad luck last night VCDHunter.

Bad luck doesn't begin to put that into perspective - I have two bosses here, both Chelsea fans. My life is going to be hell for a while. Go on Arsenal make my year and throw away the bloody league too . . . .

[Will Hay]

bad luck?
bollocks!
Chelsea were far better and deserved it
a superb game.
Will

[VCDHunter]

bad luck?
bollocks!
Chelsea were far better and deserved it
a superb game.
Will

Piss off

Never has your sig looked so apt.

[jeex]

goddamn fogbreathing soccer hooligans

[Will Hay]

kick your arse youngster

[rhegedus]

All wonderful occasions but since having my first child )I'm on No. 2 as most of you know) I had to give up the annual season ticket
Sad, those days have gone, ever sadder conidering they were only 30 months ago

Don't worry - a season ticket will be cheaper for you next season in the first division

[jeex]

kick your arse youngster

i'd like to see you try, i'm like 6 feet tall -cartman

[Will Hay]

All wonderful occasions but since having my first child )I'm on No. 2 as most of you know) I had to give up the annual season ticket
Sad, those days have gone, ever sadder conidering they were only 30 months ago

Don't worry - a season ticket will be cheaper for you next season in the first division

They're offering a 20 year ticket now, works out per year at half last years prices, and when they go down next year and into recievership it's worthless
Will

[rhegedus]

Don't worry - they'll be back.

Just shows that massive short-term injections of cash don't work in the long term - look at Blackburn.

[Will Hay]

Don't worry - they'll be back.

Just shows that massive short-term injections of cash don't work in the long term - look at Blackburn.

They won't go down, and that's not just optimism.
Will

[rhegedus]

Blackburn away, Everton home, Arsenal away, Portsmouth home, Bolton away, Charlton home, and last match against Chelsea away....



You HAVE to win at least three of your matches - Blackburn, Everton, Porstmouth and Bolton look good bets.

Good luck!