Splicing "Back To The Future" DVDs

[Nick Burns]

I've tried to do some searching on this, but wasn't able to come up with any specifics, so if this has already been addressed, please just point me to that thread. Thanks!

Is it possible to put all 3 BTTF DVDs onto one DVD? I understand that some compression may be involved and obviously all the extras will need to be taken out (special features, languages, etc) - I'm really just interested in the movies themselves.

One caveat - I'd like to be able to splice them so that where disc2 picks up where disc1 left off and the same with disc3 to disc2.

In otherwords, the movies will overlap each other with precise timing so that basically you have one long movie. I don't know if the credits could be taken out at the beginning of 2 and 3, but that would definitely be a bonus. Also, I don't know if any authoring could be done so that you can just go directly to movie 2 or 3.


Thanks for any insight into this!

[Tommyknocker]

I would say, since you already have the VOBs on your DVDs, why not edit them into one DVD? This may solve your problem. If you are interested, click here.

[Nick Burns]

Looks interesting...will that let me overlap the movies precisely or just combine them?

Sorry, this whole process is new to me!

[stillmars321]

DVD Shrink could probably do this. treat each movie as a flipper disc. Look on the DVD shrink website for instructions on how to do this

[Gazorgan]

You can't do it unles you re-encode to 1/2D1 resolution. There's not way to compress 4 1/2 hours of 720x480 +AC3 and fit it on 1 DVDR. At 1/2 D1 you should be able to fit them all on in the correct order for the full effect.

You can actually do the editing with DDShrink (assuming you have 40 GB free to start with), and spit out a very large set of files. You can then follow standard encoding from there.

[urbanlegend]

For a foreign dvd movie which came with a bonus dvd of deleted scenes I used DVD Shrink in reauthor mode (flipper way like stillmars321 said) and reinserted the deleted scenes back into the movie. It was redious but the end result was not that bad. I think I will do the same with the BTTF future movies like you mentioned, thats a very good idea

[Deva]

You can't do it unles you re-encode to 1/2D1 resolution. There's not way to compress 4 1/2 hours of 720x480 +AC3 and fit it on 1 DVDR. At 1/2 D1 you should be able to fit them all on in the correct order for the full effect.

I didnt have any probs doing it.
First i used DVD Decrypter to get the .vob files then i loaded the vobs into dvd2avi to get the .d2v and .ac3 file. Used besweet to to convert the 334Kbps.ac3 to 224.ac3. Sorted out me .avs script, then used cqmatic and TMPGEnc to get my m2v file. Did this for each movie then loaded the .m2v and .ac3 files into TMPGEnc DVD Author, sorted out some menus etc... and burned to dvdr.
Now i have all 3 BTTF movies on one dvdr with menus and chapters.
704x576 25fps PAL Max/Min 2500/300

Deva.

PS I've spent the last week reading a lot of the guides from this site which helped me loads and this was my fisrt attempt at it and i am very pleased with the end results.

[AarontheRipper]

Another option would be to use an authoring program like TMPGEnc DVD Author, or DVD Lab. They will allow you to put all three movies together as a part of the same track and do some basic editing (trimming of the beginning and end of movies, deleting unwanted scenes). After you get everything set up, you'll need to run it through a transcoder (DVD Shrink, DVD2One, etc.) to get it to fit on a dvd.

[urbanlegend]

Sorry to go off topic but one thing I noticed is that doesnt TMPGEnc DVD Author remove the subtitles? I authored two movies onto one DVD with menus (Scooby Doo/13 Ghosts) and it removed the closed captions and subtitles.

[Gazorgan]

704x576 25fps PAL Max/Min 2500/300

Seriously? That's below my quality standard.

[Deva]

Well it was my first attempt to put 3 movies on dvdr and i wanted to get a CQ 65+.
Feel free to post the specs u use, i'm always interested to learn from others
Just one last thing when u say 'That's below my quality standard' is that for putting 3 movies onto a dvdr or for 1 movie onto a dvdr ?

Thx

Deva.

[Nick Burns]

I think I will do the same with the BTTF future movies like you mentioned, thats a very good idea

If you do get this done, would you mind posting the steps you did such as Deva did? This is all very new for me so put it in as simple steps as possible!

Thanks to all for your advice on this. I'm learning lots!

[Nick Burns]

You can't do it unles you re-encode to 1/2D1 resolution. There's not way to compress 4 1/2 hours of 720x480 +AC3 and fit it on 1 DVDR. At 1/2 D1 you should be able to fit them all on in the correct order for the full effect.

I didnt have any probs doing it.
First i used DVD Decrypter to get the .vob files then i loaded the vobs into dvd2avi to get the .d2v and .ac3 file. Used besweet to to convert the 334Kbps.ac3 to 224.ac3. Sorted out me .avs script, then used cqmatic and TMPGEnc to get my m2v file. Did this for each movie then loaded the .m2v and .ac3 files into TMPGEnc DVD Author, sorted out some menus etc... and burned to dvdr.
Now i have all 3 BTTF movies on one dvdr with menus and chapters.
704x576 25fps PAL Max/Min 2500/300

Deva.

PS I've spent the last week reading a lot of the guides from this site which helped me loads and this was my fisrt attempt at it and i am very pleased with the end results.

Deva, when using DVDDecrypter, did you select all files or just main+ifo or what?

I'm a newbie at this, so I'm probably going to be needing a lot of hand-holding.

[stevelea]

The BTTF films require alot of editing to make them tally up. The end of BTTF-1 and the start of BTTF-2 are different (they have a different actress playing Jennifer in each film) and the start credits overlap the action to BTTF-2, plus the editing to BTTF-3 is also a lot of work.

I had the same idea myself but didn't bother when I realised how much work would be required to make the continuity flow.

Let us know how it goes.

[Nick Burns]

I did this with my BTTF Tapes (since each is less than 2hrs, I just used EP mode for a 6hr tape). I do know that Elizabeth Shue replaced Claudia Wells for whatever reasons (contract disputes?).

Anyhow, I found the best place for the split between 1 & 2 was when the screen goes black as Marty opens the garage door to his new 4x4. I got that down perfectly on the tape.

I can't remember what point I used between 2 & 3 though. I'll have to view the tape and find out. I know the most annoying thing about it is that the credits suddenly appear between each movie transition. No biggie. If it was possible to remove those (ie, a seperate layer from the movie), that'd be a big bonus!

Probably suitable for another post, but -
How many hours does a standard DVD+/-R hold - from uncompressed to max compression (with little or no artifacts)?

[MOVIEGEEK]

If the movies are on DVD then all you need is DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink.
1.Use DVDDecrypter(File mode,All) to rip each DVD into it's own folder(ex:BTTF1)
2.In DVDShrink use Open Files to import one movie then hit Reauthor,repeat,repeat.After loading all movies drag all movies into one window and make sure they are in order,set compression to 4.3GB and hit backup.
3.Burn your disc and some popcorn...enjoy.

[Nick Burns]

If the movies are on DVD then all you need is DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink.
1.Use DVDDecrypter(File mode,All) to rip each DVD into it's own folder(ex:BTTF1)
2.In DVDShrink use Open Files to import one movie then hit Reauthor,repeat,repeat.After loading all movies drag all movies into one window and make sure they are in order,set compression to 4.3GB and hit backup.
3.Burn your disc and some popcorn...enjoy.

Missed on step... where do I go about overlapping the movies? So that where 1 merges into 2 and 2 merges into 3?

[bottle-necked]

In TMPGEnc DVD Author, to get each movie to play (one right after the other) without going back to the main menu each time, just look in the options box and set the menu command to "Play All". It's easy once you find the options command for the menu. Once you set this command it will stay there until you set it back, so don't forget that on your next project.

I would create one track for each movie instead of trying to put all 3 movies in 1 track. 1 very simple selection menu with a button to each movie. And the menu setup to 'play all'.

Good luck.

[bottle-necked]

Missed on step... where do I go about overlapping the movies? So that where 1 merges into 2 and 2 merges into 3?

With TMPGEnc DVD Author can do that when you author the vob files. That is a simple "Set as Start Frame" - "Set as End Frame" process. Easy man.

With the other way, using just DVD Shrink in reauthor mode, you won't have a main menu. All three movies will just play automatically when you put in the disk. To set your lap points (in - out) you use the crop function in DVD Shrink. It's easy to do.

With DVD Author you can create a main menu and set your 'lap points' (in - out) easily. After creating your 3 movie project DVD on hdd from vob files, then run DVD Shrink and shrink that huge hhd folder to fit a DVD.

Think about it a minute, you'll get it. All this stuff is easy, it's just hard to explain. That's all.

Good luck.

[carmaster]

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[MOVIEGEEK]

@Nick Burns,
I didn't miss a step,as bottle-necked mentioned the movies will be titles and your DVD player will go from one to the other and maintain chapter points.I would do as bottle-necked mentioned and use Ulead DVD MovieFactory,TMPGEnc DVD Author or DVDLab and make a menu because sometimes you won't feel like watching all 3 movies.

[Nick Burns]

I use DVDShrink for each movie and cut out all extras and only use the English audio and Subchannel. 0% Compression on each.

Then I used TMPGEnc DVD Author to put each movie into it's own track, cut out all the credits and scenes that didn't need to overlap, in effect 2 starts where 1 leaves off and ends where 3 picks up. Took out all chapter selections and only have Play All and Select Track.

It's still a 43GB+ file (I think this is exaggerated, I'll check when it's done). I don't think DVD Shrink will work, and I'm concerned what DVD2One will do.

So, if I go back to step one with DVD Shrink what should I compress them at before I do the editing with TMPGEnc DVD Author?

What is the maximum acceptable compression for DVDShrink?

And once I bring it back into DVD Shrink again, should I compress again?

EDIT: TMPGEnc DVD Author is also giving me an error with the bit rate (sound). I'll post what it says after it's done with its current build.

[Nick Burns]

TMPGEnc DVD Author Error Report:

The capacity of the DVD is exceeded.

The estimated size of the DVD folder you are about to create is 14219MB.
This exceeds the capacity of a 4.7GB DVD by 4437MB

Track Errors:
The combined bitrate of the clip exceeds the upper limit for a standard DVD.

The current bitrate is 9800kbps for video, 448kbps for audio, and 10248kbps combined.
It is necessary with a combined bitrate of less than 9.848Mbps (9848kbps).

[bottle-necked]

TMPGEnc DVD Author Error Report:

The capacity of the DVD is exceeded.

The estimated size of the DVD folder you are about to create is 14219MB.
This exceeds the capacity of a 4.7GB DVD by 4437MB

Track Errors:
The combined bitrate of the clip exceeds the upper limit for a standard DVD.

The current bitrate is 9800kbps for video, 448kbps for audio, and 10248kbps combined.
It is necessary with a combined bitrate of less than 9.848Mbps (9848kbps).

Ok, on the capacity exceeded error just side step that warning and use the 'continue anyway' command. I can't remember the exact command (program not installed) but it's something like that. Create that big folder anway.

14.218G DVD!!!! I don't know what DVD Shrink is going to think about that! You may need to run it through a couple times. That's bigger than I've every run into. You're on your own there. But if it's only 4.4G too big (like you later posted) it may do it in a single pass.

Goooooooood Luck. (Sounds like you need a little)

[Nick Burns]

Eureka! DVD2One got it down to 4.4GB - took about 2 1/2 hours early this morning to do, but it was done. I watched it a bit, and it's still very watchable, but obviously not nearly DVD quality - slightly pixelated but that's has to be expected.

I'm going to keep spot checking it before I do the actual burn (now to find the guide for that) with Nero 6.3.

Looks like I'm on my way!

[bottle-necked]

[Nick Burns]

Dern it!
The files on the hdd is 4.41GB.
I have a Fujifilm DVD-R 4.7GB DVD in the drive.

Nero 6.3 reports "There is not enough space to burn this compilation onto this disc."

Any ideas???

[Nick Burns]

Nero Info Tool reports that there is 4.383GB available space for that DVD.
I'm going to change DVD2One so that it's media size is set to 4300MB, down from the 4472 default. I hope this doesn't effect the film too much.

[Nick Burns]

Ok, resizing DVD2One worked perfectly, and I now have a burned DVD.
Couple of things:

• Transition from 1 to 2 is not perfect... you see marty open the garage door then you see him open the door again as movie 2 starts.
  
• Transition 2 to 3 is spot on!
  
• The transitions themselves have a slight pause as the movie starts up. I made each movie a separate track as suggested.
  
• Movies 2 and 3 are less pixelated than Movie 1. This may be due to the fact that 2 & 3 are the repressed widescreens.

I'm not sure if I want to put any more work into this or not. I guess the things I would change are:

• Try and get a better transition between 1 & 2
  
• Burn all three as one track, but make each one a chapter type selection in the menu if I want to go to one directly.

For what I got now, I can live with.

For those who want to know, here is what I did:

1. DVDDecrypter (File mode: All) on each movie.
   
2. DVDShrink on each movie separtely.[list:f9663e64d7]
3. Reauthor: 0% Compression / English Audio / English Subchannel.

[*]TMPGEnc DVD Author - each movie into a separate track.

• Or into 1 track depending on preference

• Movie 1 -[list:f9663e64d7]
• Cut scenes 00:00:00;00 - 00:00:28;10 = Beginning credits up to where Back To The Future title sweeps in.
  
• Cut scenes 01:49:17;16 - End = Approximate place for Movie 2 to start and ending credits (this will need further adjustment for better transition).

[*]Movie 2 -

• Cut scenes 00:00:00;00 - 00:00:34;21 = Beginning credits up to where Marty opens garage door (approximately).
  
• Cut scenes 01:40:32;13 - End = BEST (IMO) place for Movie 3 to start and ending credits.

[*]Movie 3 -

• Cut scenes 00:00:00;00 - 00:01:37;08 = Beginning credits up to where 3 and 2 are in perfect sync (IMO).
  
• Cut scenes 01:50:09;29 - End = The end credits are cut after The End sweeps and disappears.

[*]Main Menu with play all and select track are made (chapter selection is taken out).
[*]Disregard DVD size and Bit rate warnings when encoding.[/list:u:f9663e64d7][*]DVD2One and change size from 4472MB to 4300MB (or there abouts).
[*]Use ImgTool to burn DVD[/list:f9663e64d7]

[Deva]

Deva, when using DVDDecrypter, did you select all files or just main+ifo or what?

As i beleive all u want is the movie and not the menus/chapters etc(which is all i wanted) then all u need to do is select 'Edit' then 'Select Main Movie Files'. This should save u time and space when u rip the vobs from the dvd.
Hoe that helps

Deva.