I know this has been posted 1000x, but why do the last 15-20

[jbronco74]

minutes of my dvd-r play choppy and jittery on both my pc's and my tv(stand alone). I'm quite new to this and it might be my media..I'm using generic 2x, then switched to memorex 4x, writing both medias at 2x on Nero. Someone told me to write at 1x but Nero won't let me. THESE MOVIES PLAY PERFECTLY UNTIL THE LAS 15-20 MINUTEs. And the closer it gets to the end of the movie, the less likely it is to play. Can someone please tell me why this happens?? Also, I'm going to try Ritek media next, but which of the ritek is best?

[iooi]

Another way round this problem is to let nero create a image of the files and then burn the image to disk. Dont know why it works but it does.
Ritek 04's work well for me @ 4X burns. Since using Riteks never had a disk stall on playback unlike pinco's...

[Gazorgan]

Sic'em Gurm!!!

It's Cheap Media, it's always cheap media...........

[tig2002]

You did not mention the brand and model of you DVD writer. But in most cases it doesn't really matter since this problem is caused mostly by three factors:

1. CHEAP MEDIA: never buy cheap media, especially from CompUSA, unless it is on clearance sale. Otherwise you burn money, not DVD's. The best DVD-R's and DVD+R's for almost all DVD burners are TDK and Fujifilm.

2. BURNING SPEED: burning 4X media at 4X may cause problems that you described depending on media and/or burner. Try to burn 4X compatible media at 2X (or 2.4X for +R). Most burners will allow to burn 1X media at 2X. Be patient and burn at 1X because you will get better results.

3. IMPROPERLY APPLIED LABELS: It is better to use permanent marker to label DVD disks. However, if you decide to apply adhesive labels printed on Ink-Jet printer, make sure you let the labels dry completely before applying to DVD disk.

I had the same problem for long time and couldn't find out the exact cause of it. It was difficult for me to identify because the problem was caused by all three factors mentioned above, not only by one of them: I was burning 1X Optodisk, Princo (sold as CompUSA) at 2x, Memorex 4X (not cheap, but piece of garbage made by Mitsubishi Chemicals) at 4X and applying labels while they were wet after printing...

[Jukka]

I've found the best results by

(a) using Ritek G04 media
(b) only burning up to the 4Gb mark and no further

or it could be any of the above mentioned

Jukka

[preacher238]

I have not had a problem with Comp USA discs. They burn at 2X and play back fine on everything I have tried them in. So they do work for me. Also, I use 4x Ritek's in my Pioneer 105.

[arcorob]

There is another common reason. OVERBURN. What is the file size you are trying to burn...On good disks, do NOT go over 4.37.
On Princo's, I think it is 3.99

[garryheather]

You can NOT overburn DVD's - sorry, that's just wrong.

Princo media is variable to say the least, and some of those are rough over say 4Gb. You should be able to burn to full capacity on a disc, cheap media often craps out about the 4Gb mark. It has NOTHING to do with overburning whatsoever. That's CD-R domain - it has NO bearing on DVD-/+R's.

[xistan]

I have tried many different media in my burner (OK I use DVD+R/RW but I think the same problem applies to me). I used to buy fujifilm DVD+R 2.4X discs and I never had problems with those. Then I got cheap and ordered a 25-pack of Ritek Grade A discs. I burned 10 discs out of which 1 failed to burn, 7 failes to load in my DVD-player, 1 stutters and 1 actually seem to work nice. Total cost for a successful burn: about 5 times my Fuji-discs.

All cheaper media I have tried have one thing in common when you inspect them visually. They all seem to be scratched or somehow damaged in the outer part of the surface or the dye. I think this is what causes all the playback problems of cheaper media, and that is also why you shouldn't burn across the 4 GB marker. The Ritek disc that failed to burn for me stopped when 3.9 GB was written to disc.

Buy TDK/Fujifilm or Verbatim (at least they seem to work fine for DVD+R). Even though some of them seem to be made at the same place as some of the cheaper brands, I guess it's quality control that differs. Some discs are better, they get the brand, others don't pass the tests, they are sold as spindle packs with more or less unknown labels.

/C

[Faustus]

It's Cheap Media, it's always cheap media...........

Quoted to pound home yet again.

[milocoon]

I used to have these kind of problems as well, but its fine now !
A possible solution is the DVD Burner lens or media has dust on it. I took my Pioneer DVR-106D apart and used compressed air on the lens and mechanism bit (about 9 screws) and also cleaned my blank discs with compressed air.
BulkPaq Green 2X (TDK media code) burn and verify all the way to 4.36 Gb and play perfectly on my Home Prism DVD Player.

Same goes for BulkPaq Tango 4X (PRINCO media code)

I can burn at 2X and 4X and now have no problems with DVDR and DVDRW media.

Before this last step I had installed software on a formatted partition in case it was a software fault, I never had problems with CDR media just DVD media

[arcorob]

Garry...Maybe you are confusing the terminology I used. YOU CAN OVERBURN DVD's but by that I mean over 4.37

They are 4.7 disks and I know sometimes programs try to write say 4.4 or 4.5...which is risky ....Understand now ?

[garryheather]

No, it is you who is wrong. You can only write a fixed amount to a DVD. There are no 90 / 99 minute equivalents like there are in the CD world where it depends on the writer or anything like that.

You can wirte a few Meg more to a DVD-R than a +R but THAT IS IT. Some of these "1 click" solutions to backup discs sometimes get their maths wrong and go over the limit, but I can assure you there is NO WAY to get more data onto a DVD.

I think you're getting the whole 4.7Gb thing confused and using clearly substandard media.

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=190227&highlight=

Do YOU understand now ? Cheeky bugger.

[lordsmurf]

You CAN overburn a DVD-R ... not sure about DVD+R ... but it's stupid. Most you can do is squeeze out a few extra dozen megs at most, maybe up to 100 or so, but it's never been clocked, as the data pretty much turns to shit at that point, and it becomes impossible to leadout the disc.

Early version of DVDit! SE and PE actually did overburn by accident, often making coasters on full projects.

One of my very first discs would burn fine in DVDit! PE on Pioneer media, but I could not copy it or burn it in any other program without getting size warnings. Anything other than the PVC discs would also fail. It was about 12MB over limit. I still have the disc and it still plays fine... all the way to the last second of footage.

You cannot overburn DVD-RW, DVD-RAM or DVD+RW.

This scenario was also done on an early Pioneer 103 drive, not sure how drives are made these days... probably have anti-overburn on them, as they should.

[garryheather]

I can't vouch for the software you describe as I've never used it, but it is safe to say that the specification does NOT allow for overburning on a DVD and no recorder I have ever come across will allow you to either.

I think the issue is Arcorob seems to think 4Gb is the limit based on his experience with Princo discs and that by going to the edge of the disc he is "overburning", when clearly he is not. If that is true, his understanding of the terminology is wrong, and it angers me the tone he takes trying to correct me with false information. I know perfectly well there are discs labeled as 4.7Gb out there, but I also know perfectly well how much I can expect to put on them based on their "true" capacity. Arcorob desperately needs to get his facts right if he's going to try chucking terminology around. No DVD specification at this time allows overburning, and certainly not over 4.7Gb.

In the CD domain, overburning involves writing into the area that would otherwise be reserved for the lead-out portion of the disc, and relies on the nominal extra pitch of the tracking spiral on the disc itself. The ability to overburn depends on the recorder supporting "illegal" burns, the writing software not giving a damn about standards, and the media itself, both in quality and contruction (some brands are more over their rating than others, for example a 74 minute disc might have the quivalent of say 75 minutes on it without overburning, 78 with). DVD-/+R's are constructed a little differently than CD's although in many cases the principle is the same, and the lead out part of the disc is very stringently specified in the standard. It is only recently that Philips have adjusted the CD spec to allow for 80 minute discs, let alone overburning, so don't expect this any time soon on DVD-R's.

[arcorob]

Thanks Lordsmurf ...SOME OTHER CHEEKY buggers don't want to listen.

YOU CAN OVERBURN A DVD (Check the option in NERO and the RED AREA)

I have found in the past however, that doing so can cause the last scene or two to be unreadable.

And I know the difference between calculating gig as 1000 meg versus 1024 (I am sure I know a heck of alot better than you because I worked on it when it was invented (and with the inventors) but back then it started with bytes and word alignment...too much to go into). DONT ASSUME. I won't and have not used PRINCO disks.

I really hate getting my ire raised when trying to help someone, and someone else jumps in and says thats NOT possible and then, further accuses me of using cheap media. I burn 400 to 500 disks a year, have at least a half dozen tool to do it and think I speak from experience when I say things. It is further exacerbated when you continue to support an untenable position in the face of evidence to the contrary.

1) You can burn past the 4.37 mark to your own detriment so it is something to check
2) Certain cheaper disks have lower restrictions (such as Princo's)

and I will add
3) A misaligned laser can make the writeable area smaller. The start area will be in tolerance however, the end will be out of spec.

In answer to the original question, just check your file size and make sure it is well within the norm.

[garryheather]

In that case, kindly provide me with the following information:

Your writer
Your burning application (my Nero overburns CD's only)
Your choice of media

As I stated previously, I am not aware of any writer / software combination that will allow you to relaibly overburn DVD-R, if at all. If you can prove me wrong and / or supply me with proof to the contrary, then please do so. Please note in this case your discs are NOT COMPLIANT.

A misalligned laser will not make the recording area smaller - but it will give tracking errors which will result in incomplete burns if the recorder detects these issues correctly and is tracking the disc properly. If the laser is misalligned it will loose its timing reference and thus fail - it is this timing reference that tells the optical block where its location is on the disc. Again, if you can prove me wrong, please provide specs.

I state again - you can not overburn a DVD. For someone who was involved in its creation, you seem to be very economical with facts and evidence. Kindly prove me wrong if you so wish. I stand by my original comments and will leave this post here until further evidence comes to light proving the contrary.

[arcorob]

You have already been given evidence. Practical experience. More than one source that says you can GO OVER the limit and that DIFFERENT media has differnt limits. So your statement that there is a line in the sand that says this is the alpha and the omega is ludicrous.

Lord smurf has said he has burned slightly over the standard.

I have said I have done the same with the result that the last chapter of Star Wars halted mid-way in the set top player, but it burned and wrote a lead-out.

We have also pointed out (and you know this) that certain media will not even burn to the norm.

YOU SHOW ME PROOF that you cannot write over 4.37 to say 4.49 for example. Don't show me something that says 4.37 is the limit, we know thats the standard. Show me some FACTUAL practical data that says NO DISK CAN BE WRITTEN OVER THE STANDARD.

You can't.

So end of conversation with you .....

By the way I suppose you are one of those that thinks nothing can travel at the speed of light of 186,000 miles per second ?

Well, they can SLOW DOWN the speed of light so light can in fact travel faster than the speed of light.......So what is the standard for light ? Answer....Approx 186,000 miles per second...MOST OF THE TIME BUT NOT ALL THE TIME

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX

By the way, I did not say I was involved in the creation of the DVD , I said I was very close to how the 1024 byte standard was designed.

[Faustus]

YOU SHOW ME PROOF that you cannot write over 4.37 to say 4.49 for example. Don't show me something that says 4.37 is the limit, we know thats the standard. Show me some FACTUAL practical data that says NO DISK CAN BE WRITTEN OVER THE STANDARD.

Well that would be pointless, the burden of proof would lay with you on that one, I'll not waste my life trying to prove if you can or cannot over burn a DVD. If its possible then give us the info needed to recreate your actions and overburn ourselves, that would prove it.
Program usually tells you when you over burn to make sure you want to, indeed some programs must have overburned enabled.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure either way, but I think asking where you have some proof of overburn abilities on a DVD is a acceptable response.

[garryheather]

Then why haven't you told me how you did it ?

I say again...

"In that case, kindly provide me with the following information:

Your writer
Your burning application (my Nero overburns CD's only)
Your choice of media "

I am sure there are others, apart from myself, who would like to try this for ourselves.

[arcorob]

I love it when folks don't read. It has been explained that this DOES occur. Burden of proof goes both ways. Where is your proof that this is a physical impossiblity ? You have none.

And to whomever wants details ( I hope you are going to go out spend the money to try this instead of just wasting my time)

SONY DR500UXL , AOPEN DVDRW2412 Pro (made by Ricoh)
So there are two drives

Software that will go over the Limit
Pinnacle DVDCOPY
NERO
ULEAD DVD MOVIE FACTORY

Media - On AOPEN, Exclusively RITEK
On Sony - RITEK and LEADDATA

Only the RITEKS allowed the slight overburn but as I said, the RESULT was unplayable last chapters. JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL POSTER HAS STATED.

Now quit wasting my time !

[garryheather]

Fair enough, perhaps someone here who has that precise arrangement can find the time to confirm this - although I doubt many will since you confirm yourself that the resulting disc didn't play properly.

Just out of interest, do you think that was the disc's fault or the player ?

I can say now that my current installation, which consists of a Pioneer A04 with 1.41 official firmware and Nero 5.1.0.19 IIRC (I am not in front of that machine at the moment) will NOT allow me to select overburning with a DVD-R, but WILL allow me to overburn a CD-R so long as I go into the advanced features and ignore all the warnings about damaging hardware and non-compliant discs in order to check the relevant box.

Would you care to tell me what version of Nero you were using at the time ? Your absence of version numbers for software and the firmware in the recorders is alarming and could be an issue here - especially the latter. Are your firmwares hacked or legitimate ? If the firmware is hacked then personally I wouldn't trust your results because of it. The manufacturers know more about this than either you or I do, I expect.

It will be interesting to find just how widespread this overburning lark is when it comes to DVD. I think we will need to be a bit more scientific about it than just taking your word for it, I'm afraid. Until some independant testing has gone on, you yourself have proved nothing but don't get stressed over it. If it turns out I'm the only one who CAN'T overburn, then I will stand corrected.

[arcorob]

You know, your post started in the right vein however, it once again ended on your "Mister Know It all" attitude (which really is there to hide your insecurities) so this will be my LAST REPLY TO YOU.

The question was about a person who found the last parts of his disk unplayable in a set top player. He was given some advice. I added to that advice to CHECK THE FILE SIZE>

This TURNED into a war on OVERBURNING a DVD which YOU EMPHATICALLY CAN DO, however slight it may be. I never said, no one said that the DVD would be readbale or stable, just that it was doable. And isn't that the point of the persons post ? He did burn successfully, yet playback near the end is problematic.

The problem is you would much rather try to be right than try to read. In this case you are neither right nor are you HELPING the person. Wouldn't it be interesting to know the guys filesize ? Nope, you are noty concerned with that, you would rather have a stick up your arse and think you are right.

No, I did not provide software levels and such. I am at work and don't have my home PC tucked under my arm. But my software is all 100% standard, no pirate ware, no region hacks. So in conclusion,

One has to assume the problem lies with you. But we knew that already.

END OF THREAD.

[Faustus]

Not sure who that last post was addressed to, but like I said before it not someones job to prove something thats widely assumed cannot be done indeed cannot be done. You'd be proving a negitive, which is pointless, you could spend a lifetime trying and not be sure. Because of that its not a huge step to ask what software and hardware you are using to overburn a DVD.

If your at work thats fine, it can wait. The boards not going anywhere. If you just dont want to you have to understand what that looks like of course, like you can't prove it.

Has anyone else made this happen who can shed some light on how it might be done? If it can be done, yet most DVD players have problems with them, and they are hard to recopy then thats not an overburn, its a coaster.

[arcorob]

I swear I am dealing with children. If not children, then at least people who do not live in the real world and believe all the fairy tales they read in books.

Flay, it is their job to prove it. It is said "You cannot burn over 4.37".
Okay, what if it is 4.371 , will it burn and work ? 4.375 ? What is the specific for each piece of software ? That is my WHOLE POINT . Some give more latitude than others HOWEVER, the sensitivity of the set top players may be such that it will only read 4.37, but no one here has proven that this is the hard and fast, to the BYTE limit for every DVD software burning tool have they ? It is an approximation.

So if you have a movie that is 121 minutes, burned on a DVD and it is playable to 120 minutes and 29 seconds, how is that a coaster ? It is not. It is an incomplete movie. But wait, what if that same movie plays in a particular play ?

The bottom line children is I am TELLING YOU that I have some that are over the limit, made with off the shelf software. Lord Smurf told you the same thing. This is real life children, not your book fantasy's

If a am caustic it is because I don't like having my veracity questioned when I say something. If it wasn't true I would not have bothered to post that he should check the file size. I have better things to do than MAKE $HIT UP.

I also indicated that it was not a burn that resulted in a PRISTINE DISK, but rather, a problematic disk. I gave the software. The burner, the movie. You want the freakin scene number too ? GROW UP>

[Gurm]

Back on topic...

I, too, bought a spindle of 25 Memorex "4x" media.

They are 2x media. Plain and simple. No burning program out there will see them as more than 2x, and DVDInfo Pro refuses to come up with a manufacturer for them, and lists them as 2.4x CLV write strategy.

Get better media.

- Gurm

[handyguy]

On the main page, left column, dvd writers, find yours & find what media to use. thousands of people wrote what works. Generic & memorex suck for some writers.

[dazz87]

i will never use cheap media again. i just dont understand why people use cheap media in the first place. There are also deals on good media (memorex and tdk etc. etc.) on the net or at your local shops. some of the deals are as good as cheap media. sometimes you could find a better deal with name brand media. last month i got 50 memorex dvd+r for 29.95 from amazon.

[Faustus]

I myself have burned a 5gb disc that works on every player on the planet, I shall not provide any info on how this was done, or how I tested every player. Needless to say it is true, and to question it would be childish.

Any who do not think its true are welcome to test for themselves and prove me wrong. I await your reply.



(On topic)

Yeah stay away from memorex media, bad things. Like I said the best media is the Apples, Maxells, TDK. As far as cheap start with Ritek G03/G04 depending on price/speed you want. On the +R side I think its agreed that richoh is pretty decent and most of the manufactuers on the + side see to use them as an OEM disc. Just look at the media section whenever you need info about how good a specific disc is.

[lordsmurf]

Your writer: PIONEER 103 (Compaq release) May 2001 build
Your burning application: DVDit! SE (Compaq eidtion) and DVDit! PE (initial release)
Your choice of media: Pioneer 2x ($9 each, red label case) "PVC" ID