I know this has been posted 1000x, but why do the last 15-20

[sayian_leo]

Hello,

Funny that some people say that Memorex 4x is bad media.

Only a few weeks ago I bought 10 DVD+R 4x memorex.
I checked on the site where I bought these if they were 'mediacode RICOHJPNR01'. Because that is wat is usually recommended I only wanted these, whatever brand they are, it should not really matter. ( is that right Lordsmurf?).

Ok so I burned a DVD with it. Then I checked with DVDinfo, and to my surprise it wasn't RICOHJPNR01, but CMC.MAG.01.
Well nevermind, the reports say that they usually work fine.
It did play in my PC, and it did play in my stand-alone DVD-player cyberhome AD-M512. oh JOY.

Yes they were only € 1,60 per disc. Wich is cheaper then most brand you pay for here in the Netherlands.

But everything seem to be so dependend on the burner, software, player, media, and a lot of luck.

Even if you check reports of people using the same players-like for example a provision 172 dvd-player, on some DVD+R work and on some, like the one from my parents, they don't work.

Well , we just keep going, Right.

[Faustus]

Your writer: PIONEER 103 (Compaq release) May 2001 build
Your burning application: DVDit! SE (Compaq eidtion) and DVDit! PE (initial release)
Your choice of media: Pioneer 2x ($9 each, red label case) "PVC" ID

Thanks Lord Smurf, I'm pretty sure thats all that was asked.

Strangely I didn't even think the A03 can overburn a CD little less a DVD.

What I ask is this, is it possible that the over burn was perhaps just a side effect of the burn program reading the files different. I mean I can put something in Nero and it report one size, then load into RNM and get another. I mean it is over burned by the looks of the disc after the face in explorer? Or have you already 100% checked all this?

Cause with every program I've used before if you go just even a TINY little bit over it reject the disc and says no enough space. Seems odd that DVDit PE would overburn a disc without saying so.

[lordsmurf]

The disc was in fact overburned by about 12MB.

Actually, I just went to grab it, and I realized I gave that one to my cousin a year ago at Christmas. I re-made myself a copy that I could reproduce if needed, and had to shrink it in DVD2one to get it back to a normal size.

The 103 has issues with CD-R and CD-RW (most Pioneer drives suck at CD), and even DVD-RW, but it can do odd things on the DVD-R discs, especially MCC and PVC discs.

It was a "bug" in DVDit! PE and disappeared when I upgraded to 2.5.4 many months ago. It was a flaw found ONLY in the early releases of the program.

I have no idea how or why... just that it did. And it was annoying.

[Bob W]

I only had this problem one time and that was with some Verbatim 4X DVD-R media.

[indolikaa]

DVD-R can be overburned.

My violations of specification were committed with an Optorite DD0203 v2.16, a Memorex DVD-R vTAIYOYUDEN.. and DVDit! LE for the Dazzle DVC-II.

I would also like to go on record with dvdrhelp.com and state the following: I, Anchorage Indolikaa Khan, being of sound mind and body, do hereby testify that I

* am not a child, but actually 31 years old,
* was born in the year 1971 AD,
* believe that DVD-R can be overburned,
* respect the opinions of others,
* love Memorex media, especially DVD+RW.

The Peacekeeper has spoken.

[sammie]

Back to topic, I have the best luck with the Ritek G04s, but I usually underburn at least 20 mb even with those. With cheaper media problem can be worse and I suggest like others keep it under 4.0

It does beg the question, why is even "good" DVD media so bad? I lived through the CD-r beginnings (Ok, I lived through the build PCs yourself from parts era, but...). After the first year there was nothing like the problems that seem to plague DVDr . Good media was always good and cheap media was still pretty ok. I'm guessing there is a technical reason beyond just more info on the disk, but I'd love to hear it.

[W_Eagle]

Well, folk -- another heated discussion.

The bottom line is -- it's all about the media used.

Please read on to see how and why.

Being a practical person (on top of being a spiritual one and a computers technician, an electronics technician and an electronics engineer) -- I resort to practice, to empirical answers.

Indeed, I have only about a couple of years experience with VCD/SVCD/CVD authoring and about 3 months experience with DVD authoring -- yet, getting empirical answers proves to be working all along.

I started DVD authoring with no-name local (Israeli) cheap DVD-R media (marked MXL RG01 @x2). One burned fine, the rest were coasters, since the last parts of the movie/clip (burned at 4 - 4.37 GB) were jittery and eventually unplayable.

Next, I shrinked DVD files to 3 - 3.3 GB. Some no-name DVD-R disks were fine, some others were coasters.

So, I purchased few Nashua DVD-RW disks (marked OPTODISK001 @x1). The same DVD files were burned on the Nashua DVD-RW -- they played just fine, both on my PC DVD player and on my standalone, even when burned at x2 (while officially are only x1).

Next, I bought 25 pack of Princo x4 DVD-R disks, marked PRINCO @x4. Same DVD files played fine, even to full (4.37GB) capacity.

All Princo disks (burned at 4GB -- to be on the safe side) are fine. No-name disks burned at 3 - 3.3 GB -- some are good, some are coasters.

So, bottom line:
1. First I test each DVD file on the proven-good DVD-RW disk(s).
2. DVD-R media are very sensitive and varies a lot.
3. Whenever there are coaster -- they are due to bad media.

Please bear in mind -- this is practical, empirical -- not theoretical view.

Take care.

[indolikaa]

I think we often see postings like this because we, as hobbyists, are always trying to push the envelope. You can't tell me there's that many people who haven't sat there in front of the Baldrick-issued bitrate calculator, scheming to squeeze in that last handful of bits.

I decided awhile back to limit my recordings to 3.99 GB. That would be 3.99 x 1024 in my particular case. I read enough postings to understand this seemed to be a realistic barrier, regardless of whether it was technology limitations or cheap-ass media producers who wouldn't spend an extra few cents for a better quality product.

My eyes aren't the best in the world, so the difference in bitrates is not something I'd normally notice anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first bastard here to try and push the envelope because it's there. But overall, I tend to be conservative in my approach to burning media.

.indolikaa.
Keratoconus X2

[Tidy]

Okay first let me start by explaining I am a tenured Information Technology professor at a major university.


Now, whoever said you can overburn a DVD is misinformed!! Until you hit 4.7 Gig and go beyond you have not overburned!!! The definition of overburn is not exceeding the standard it is exceeding the rated maximum capacity!! So whoever said they overburned because they went past 4.37 Gig is mistaken. I think it was just miscommunication. Second of all whoever said they were somehow associated with the team that invented the 1024 standard, I am afraid I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!! The 1024 limits are not a "standard" they are a multiplicative of the first 8 bit bus and therefor are a mathematical and computational necesity not a standard!!!!! If you know parallel processing you know it takes 8 bits to represent a character or "byte" Get a clue there is a reason why just about everything that has to do with computer hardware numerically is divisible by 8!!!! How are you going to divide a 1000 byte "kilobyte" by 8? YOU CAN'T!! So what are you going to do, have a partial byte at the end of your 1000 byte kilobyte? NO, you are going to have a 1024 byte kilobyte and it carries on to megabytes and gigabytes and so on........


Finally and most important WHO CARES!!!! Why are we on a discussion forum insulting each other. It makes no sense to me. Is this another "my equipment is bigger than your thing"? Anyway I found the argument annoying enough that I signed up for an account with this site and waited the day just so I could post this note. Anyway bring on the replies but please be respectful as I have to the other person I disagree with.

[indolikaa]

Oh, good.

Okay first let me start by explaining I am a tenured Information Technology professor at a major university.

Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Anchorage Indolikaa Khan. I am an aerospace engineer with both a PhD in mathematics and a Masters in chemistry from a major university in central New Mexico. (Yeah, right.)

Now, whoever said you can overburn a DVD is misinformed!

I said you can overburn a DVD. I am not misinformed. Merely, I was at the mercy of a poorly-coded program. Hence, my transition to more open-ended software.

Finally and most important WHO CARES!!!! Why are we on a discussion forum insulting each other.

Why are we on a discussion forum insulting each other?!

I'm sorry, but your status as 'newbie' places you far out of line to make such a comment. Until you have spent an evening delving into some of the more famous threads (my personal recommendation has always been a discussion pitting DVD-R against DVD+R) you cannot begin to understand the answer to your question. You must be able to understand the issues from certain points of view. I recommend sticking one's head up a cow's ass for the proper enlightenment, although you may find this action makes more sense that some of what you'll read around here.

Anyway I found the argument annoying enough that I signed up for an account with this site and waited the day just so I could post this note.

Your single-minded desire to challenge the 'Intellectual Superiority' astounds me. You are brave, newbie.

Anyway bring on the replies but please be respectful as I have to the other person I disagree with.

Your request has been honored, and my replies have been edited (thanks to flaystus) to correct some glaring deficiencies in tone and mannerisms.

I'm still sticking to my guns on this one, Tidy. For a tenured professor of a highly-technical field of study, your grammar sucks.

[Faustus]

Obviously this is a very "Hot" topic, examples have been given on how overburns were accoplished, even if they were ask it appears an accident or side effect of a lousy program. As far as a definitive answer, only time will tell but it does not appear to be worth the effort.

I will however close the thread before this gets more out of control, lets go back to playing nice now.

[Faustus]

I'm going to reopen this thread as the parties involved seem to have settled down. But if it gets out of hand I'll close it again.

[Gurm]

Back on topic - I started a thread on the Memorex 4x +R spindles. It seems that Best Buy has been selling Memorex 4x +R spindles using CMC discs, which suck ass and don't work above 2x, and even at 2x they have errors.

So beware. I'm taking mine back today.

- Gurm

[Treebeard]

Always stick with what you know is good.

CD-r's -- FUJI's

DVD-r's -- Ritek or Taiyo Yuden

yes they cost a little more, but you wont have to spend more on reburns later when the crap media pukes on you.

[indolikaa]

I've never had problems with Memorex CD-RWs or TaiyoYuden CD-Rs. That's pretty much my standard.

I'm going to Wal-Mart this weekend for more Memorex 4X DVD+Rs (the 'Purple' jewel packaging) and will report if they are still RICOH or if Memorex has completed their migration to CMC.

I'm going to get some Sony DVD+Rs and Maxell DVD+Rs also.

[Tidy]

I have to agree with you my grammar does indeed SUCK LOL!! I have a tendancy to think too quickly and it shows in my writings in forums unfortunately. I guess the overburn subject is a touchy one to say the least. I think the major difference of opinion lies in the definition of overburn. Honestly I would say as a result of poor coding I would think you could overburn a DVD I should have maybe qualified my statement with "intentionally". As far as being a Brave Newbie you better believe it. I have found that I learn fastest by jumping right in and getting my opinion out n the open so others can comment on it and maybe lead me in a better direction. Thank you for taking the time to comment on my posting I appreciate it Maybe after a while of being on here I'll tell everyone a little more about my qualifications (call me paranoid

T