SVCD MPEG Joining

[illini19]

Trying to join 2 MPEG's from SVCD (480x480 NTSC) and have used the Merge and Cut in TMPG.

For some reason, it's getting screwed up because the resulting file gets off sync severely where I'm joining.

Never had this problem before. TMPG always worked fine with the Merge and Cut function.

Any suggestions for another program that might work a bit better that also allows to set which points to start and stop the merging?

Thanks

[Tommyknocker]

Not so fast. You have both clips, so just why mot join them as well with Gold Wave. Then take the joined video, and the joined audio and make a new MPEG file with TMPGEnc?

[illini19]

Tommy...thanks but you lost me for a sec.

Yes, I have both MPEG's from the SVCD. Like I said, all I want to do is join them together. Both overlap, so I need to start the second clip like 2 sec in and then join.

The merge and cut has worked in the past but not this time for some reason. Isn't Goldwave only audio?

[Tommyknocker]

Okay, first things first. Load the first video into GoldWave. Load the second file.

Click on the first audio. Select Edit-->Marker-->Set. Select Beginning marler to two seconds before the end, then OK. Select Edit-->Delete. Go to the second audio, and select Edit-->Copy. Go back to the first audio and select Paste At-->End. Save the first audio as a wave file. Now, after you have used Merge and Cut, Load the new MPEG as input audio, and the new wave file as input audio, and press Start.

[illini19]

Thanks again Tommy. I'll give it a try. Always fun trying new techniques. Rarely use Goldwave. Mostly use Sound Forge.

Curious though, are there any other programs that join MPEG's as TMPG does with the Merge and Cut?

[Tommyknocker]

TMPGEnc is unusual as it does so apparently without re-encoding. I also know that using Ulead programs, the Ulead video server, and TMPGEnc you can merge, cut, add music, and a lot more other things without re-encoding as well. There is a guide available for that as well.

[Ejoc]

Womble mpeg2vcr is a good cutter, but I have trouble with its joining. But I find TMPGEnc joins MPEGs just fine, so I cut w/ womble and join w/ tmpgenc. Tmpgenc gives me problems when I try cutting MPEG-2 VBRs, CBRs seem to cut fine w/ tmpgenc.

[illini19]

Like I said, TMPG has always been like a champ with joining 2 mpeg's together. I just don't know why with this specific SVCD it is giving me problems with the join. Both MPEG sources are perfect.

I have tried MPEG 2 Program (VBR) which it defaults to when I load the 2 clips. Also have tried MPEG-2 Super VCD (VBR) and it is the same everytime. Right at the cut the audio goes off like by 10 seconds before the video. Very odd. First time this has happened to me with TMPG.

[Ejoc]

Thats why I use womble to cut. When you join set it to Super VCD, Program VCD will cause programs like VCDEasy to complain about needing to add Autopadding.

[illini19]

Ejoc...Tried SuperVCD setting in Merge and Cut in TMPG. Same thing happens.

Very odd indeed!

[illini19]

Used DVTool and it worked and the resulting "full movie" MPEG comes out fine, but DVTool doesn't allow me to cut before joining the MPEG's. I need to cut out 2 seconds out of the beginning of the second MPEG from the SVCD before joining.

[mats.hogberg]

I think I've read somewhere that TMPGEnc joins and cuts mpegs that's created with TMPGEnc. If it's encoded with another encoder, it's hit and miss. I too have tried to join several mpegs (of "unknown" origin) without any luck. Bad desync after join, no matter what.

/Mats

[illini19]

Mats...I have had much success with TMPG's "merge and cut" function with the exception of this SVCD.

After the join, it throws the sync WAY WAY off.

DVTool did a good job other than the fact that I can't cut and join.

I guess I have to keep looking for something else.

[mats.hogberg]

guess I have to keep looking for something else

Good luck! You'll need it! Last time I treied and failed with TMPGEnc I serched the web for days, trying this app and that to no avail. Each and everyone I tried either didn't work at all, or when they did, caused desync.
Best bet seems to be to demux, then join the video only, covert mp2 to wav and joint audio as wav, then reencode wav and finally remux. In my eyes, this ought to have a higher success rate than joining a system stream obviously has.

/Mats

[illini19]

mats...I used MPEG2VCR to "cut" 2 seconds off the second MPG. That worked fine. Then I loaded both mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 in DVTool and merged and that came out fine.

I ran through the movie and the "join" is not as clean as TMPG but I can live with it for 1 sec of video. The sync is great throughout the entire movie.

I agree with you. I love the TMPG Merge and Cut function. Takes care of both issues in one shot. If only it wasn't buggy.