really off topic discussion

[Kellygirl32]

Please read TX guy's post in which he attacked me first (he attacked me as a person--he did not and could not despute my opinions so he resorted to personal attack). He initiated the flame (by attacking me) and he reported me first.

Thought Copper, are you serious? I have read the entire thread and the only one I saw attacking anyone "first" was you. The only thing I saw after you joined in was how a legitimate question by a member was turned into a sarcastic name calling marathon, and the only thing you've accomplished by tattling on TX was to bring that ridiculous forum to this one, which I'm sure the mods don't appreciate.

I usually keep my thoughts and opinions to myself, but in this case, I had to point out how foolish and immature your complaining makes you look.

KG

[vitualis]

Please read TX guy's post in which he attacked me first (he attacked me as a person--he did not and could not despute my opinions so he resorted to personal attack). He initiated the flame (by attacking me) and he reported me first.

Thought Copper, are you serious? I have read the entire thread and the only one I saw attacking anyone "first" was you. The only thing I saw after you joined in was how a legitimate question by a member was turned into a sarcastic name calling marathon, and the only thing you've accomplished by tattling on TX was to bring that ridiculous forum to this one, which I'm sure the mods don't appreciate.

I usually keep my thoughts and opinions to myself, but in this case, I had to point out how foolish and immature your complaining makes you look.

KG

Exactly. I read the entire thread and all I saw was you coming in with some pretty outlandish ideas -- and not surprisingly, someone stated so to you, abeit a bit bluntly.

As far as I'm concerned, you're both fools for dragging out that discussion to quite frankly ridiculous lengths.

However, you posting your "report" for no other reason than retaliation and a "whinge" is not appreciated and I stated so explicitly at the top of this thread. If you were really so offended by his post, why exactly did you wait another two pages of posts before reporting it?

If you are going to have a mud-slinging match with someone, be man enough to take your own responsibility.

You have been warned once and I suggest you take that warning. This reporting thread is not to be abused. Trying to get an upper hand on someone else in a flamewar by reporting them here is a low trick and I'm not at all impressed -- this is why you were warned.

Regards.

[heretic422]

BlueWolf2005 wrote:

Hey, better watch out who you are bad mouthing. I live in San Antonio, TX. Yes, I know if you yell La Megra all the towns people start to run every which way,

in the thread:
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166183

Does that count as a racist comment? I take his comment to mean that there is a large population of Hispanics, (though what he meant to write was "La Immigra" which is the short Spanish translation for "Immigration and Naturalization Services or I.N.S.") and that they are all illegal aliens- that's why "all the towns people start to run every which way"

Is his comment inflammatory? The AUP states, "You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening,...material" Does anyone disagree that racist remarks are hateful, abusive, vulgar, etc.? And I don't want to hear any of this, "Hey, I'm just stating a fact" BS

What are the guidelines for issuing warnings or warnings that you'll get a warning for remarks like that?

I don't know this poster and he's got a couple of posts since he joined so maybe he doesn't know what's acceptable in this forum. I would hope some of the moderators would comment in light of the method of warnings being issued. Some folks get warnings that they'll get yellow carded, some get carded because they whine, (or Whinge, whatever the heck <that> is), other in flagrant disregard for the AUP/Site Rules wander away unscathed and some consider themselves the right hand of Moderators. Some can insult others then point the finger, some do the same and get carded. Some folks misunderstand comments and cry and run to this forum about it because they get blasted and seek revenge. Some know that they've done wrong, attempt pre-emptive strikes and get caught, then try to talk their way out of it because the impact the little yellow icon has on their lives.

There is absolutely no repercussions about having a little yellow icon under your name. Has no one here ever had their attention called by a teacher in grade school or high school?? Same thing! You lived, right? Does anyone here think that the little yellow icon is going to impact your life outside this venue? Will you be fired? Will your wife or husband leave you? Will you be evicted from your home? The mods have scored psychological victory over the weak minded putz' that are so deathly afraid of being identified for runnning their mouths without engaging their brains first. Does anyone see the duplicity?

Can a moderator or the Administrator please explain the exact policy for getting a yellow card? And please - all you brown-nosers and suck-ups, let them answer. The shame you bring on yourselves by trying to "get in good" with the mods is embarassing to others.

Is nepotism part of the AUP, Baldrick?

Just wondering, card me if you have to for this post...

Oh and hey...thanks for the venue.


-tgpo

[Supreme2k]

If you don't like how the boards are being handled, you can simply leave. I have been to a few other boards, and they are much more heavy-handed with their modding. I have even been banned on another board, with no explanation (even after e-mailing the admins). At least here, you have the warning system and the mods (IMHO) are very lenient.

Too many people lately feel that they are always "in the right", so they don't look at warnings objectively, preferring to blame everything on the conspiracy-theory of a "good ol' boys" club.

BTW, being Mexican, the slang term is "La Migra" (that post was still offensive, though).

[heretic422]

Supreme2K,

It's not a question of being lenient, it's a question of practice and consistency.

As a fellow Mexican, (D.F. and Guadalajara) it is why I brought up that post. It is offensive to hear, (read) comments like that. If I were a mod in any forum that's trying to maintain it's standards as high as Baldrick wants, *any* comment like that would receive a warning. I don't know the poster nor do I have it out for him, but a racist remark is a racist remark. People get a warning/card because they called someone a doody-head but a racist remark goes by? Is that consistent?

I ask again, What is the method for giving warning, cards, etc.? I don't have one so it's not because I feel slighted or persecuted, but read this thread and see how others are simply devasted by a mark against their name.

[vance43211]

anybody who makes a racial comment should get warned

plain and simple

[heretic422]

pacmania_2001,

Your signature...

The Rant of a Man Living in a Can - Now featuring the Boat People game.

Who are the Boat People? Cuban refugees seeking asylum from a Dictator? There's a game about their plight? Or is it the Mexicans coming up the Pacific coast trying to find a better life? What's the game about? Do you get to sink their boats and watch them drown? If I ask for where to download it, does that count as asking for warez or is it a freeware Flash game?

Where is this forum going? And why are we all in a handbasket...?

Instead of issuing warnings/cards/demerits, etc., simply ban the offenders and post a link to a picture of a cemetary with their userids on headstones. That way, we can check to see who the latest victim was on our own.

Thanks in advance, I'd like a medium size, granite headstone with a simple cross on it.

[rhegedus]

Well, heretic422, if what he said was true - and you appear to corroborate it by saying:

that's why "all the towns people start to run every which way"

then surely it is a statement of fact. Like it or not, these people run when someone shouts that phrase out. If it was a young Mexican boy who shouted it out for fun just to see the reaction, would he be racist too?

I will never defend a racist, but I think that comment was to describe the area and not a sleight upon the Mexican people. However, I might think differently if I were Mexican.

[heretic422]

rhegedus,

I do not corroborate his remark, I wrote that I interpret his remark. This is what starts flames. You quote me out of context, quote the whole sentence. The OP said that if "...you yell...", not a Mexican yells. It's clear he's not Mexican and if he is, he's still a racist. This remark, judging by two other comments, is seen by non-hispanics as racist.

Facts are the enemy of truth because you only know your response to a situation. If someone shouts "La Imigra" (fact) and people start running, (fact) is it because the person shouted or because when people looked, there was a tornado coming that the shouter didn't see (truth)? But he saw people running as he shouted so it must be because of what he shouted, not because of what he didn't see. Right?

If the OP shouted La Imigra in the part of town that he claims people would start running, they'd be running to him for obvious reasons. He did describe the area...in racist terms. He could have said the area has a large hispanic population. This is why I bring the post to light.

Obviously you'd feel different if you were Mexican, I'd feel different if I weren't Mexican. Your experience would be similar to what thousands and more Mexicans have gone through in their quest to live here in the US for better lives. Do you really believe that they came here to take all the jobs cleaning toilets and working at menial tasks that Americans won't just for kicks???

Teasing the Mexicans by shouting that the INS is coming just to watch them run? Did you or the OP pull wings off of flies as kids, too?

[vance43211]

heretic422

ignore him

some people have never been on the other side of the fence

to know what it's like being insulted

and or really don't care

he don't even understand that he should not even had bother to respond

unless he had something productive to say

he starting a flame war by doing so

[housepig]

Heretic -

a question - is it possible that poster was not warned or flagged because no one had brought it to the attention of the mods before you did?

if so, perhaps you should alert the mods to the post, and give them a chance to do something about it, instead of alerting them to it then dissecting why they haven't already addressed the issue in the same post.

(btw, I agree the original post was inappropriate, and IMO that poster should be warned)

as far as Pacmania's sig goes... why don't you take a look and find out what the Boat People game is before you start making assumptions?

And if it is offensive? I would maintain that there is a difference between someone linking to material in their sig that someone may find offensive versus posting offensive material or statements here... mainly that you can choose not to click the link.

[Tommyknocker]

I think it his hilarious to call a white person who hates Mexicans because they are Mexican a racist. Any freshman anthropology student will tell you there is no such thing as a Mexican Race. The hispanic names they use come from the Iberian peninsula in Europe, where they are descended from. Ergo, they are white as well. So the bigot is stupid, and those who denounce them as racists are anthropologically ignorant.

[vance43211]

Mods?

[vance43211]

it is problaly in your best interest to lock this thread

[alenhard]

TommyKnocker-

As if there are really any pure races by your definition anymore? So I guess there is no such thing as racism?

The Mexican culture is as unique and special as any other on earth. A mexican is not white (regardless of genetic makeup), nor is he/she Lithuanian, Chilean, or Nicaraguan.

Don't be so blind as to declare that a white person can't be racist towards a Mexican. What a silly remark. Proof again that lots of posts do not make a person wise...

[alenhard]

I was just wondering where this post could be reported???

[Tommyknocker]

Racism is a system of belief based on race. Therefore whites cannot be racist against Mexicans because they are white as well. I think you have mistakenly termed bigotry as racism. Which of course, is always based on stupidity. Do I make myself clear?

[vance43211]

I'm trying to be nice!!!!!

[housepig]

Did you click the link?

Nope.

So by your rationalization, it's okay to link to the KKK in your signature, because after all, it's not like you actually said anything about it in your post?

Just don't see the logic there....

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think that links in the sig file should be censored, unless it's a link to warez (which is expressly prohibited in the AUP)

The offending material is not being posted on this forum. If someone links to something you don't like, don't follow the link.

There's plenty of stuff in other people's sig files that I don't agree with, opinions I think are misguided, stupid or offensive. But it's a personal expression of what they believe - if I don't like it, I'll skip thier posts, and not follow thier links. And if I really don't like it, that will color my view on anything they post. But what I disagree with, someone else may find funny, enlightening or revelatory.

[Tommyknocker]

I know you are, and I respect you for it. But do not take my post as advocating racism. I do not, and cannot as my religious beliefs will not let me. But if anyone doestry to divide the human race into other races, you must, I repeat must include hispanics as whites, for the simple reason they are European descendants. It seems you cannot fathom that (I quote:"A mexican is not white") but trust me, it is true, rather you want to believe it or not.

[housepig]

Racism is a system of belief based on race. Therefore whites cannot be racist against Mexicans because they are white as well. I think you have mistakenly termed bigotry as racism. Which of course, is always based on stupidity. Do I make myself clear?

In common usage, inexact as it may be, "bigotry" and "racism" are interchangable.

splitting linguistic hairs, even if you are in the right, is a good way to get yourself tagged with some inexact terms you may not like.

[Tommyknocker]

It is the inexactness that keeps that monster bigotry chugging merrily along. The common usage term has a bad taste to it. Please do not let anyone call you "common". It is not a compliment, so let us keep its usage out of here as well.

[vance43211]

just because u don't consider yourself a racist

your previous post classify u as one

also

what don't seem a racist act to u

is problaly a racist act to others

the guy with original statement

that's why "all the towns people start to run every which way"

purposely meant it as a racist comments

[alenhard]

"Any freshman anthropology student will tell you there is no such thing as a Mexican Race. "

What do freshmen know, anyways?

And any cultural geographer will tell you that the Mexican race is as unique and singular in their culture, beliefs, language, and customs as any other on earth. Hence my reference to culture.

[Tommyknocker]

Which particular post classifies nme as a racist? I really am interested in your answer.

[vance43211]

Racism is a system of belief based on race. Therefore whites cannot be racist against Mexicans because they are white as well. I think you have mistakenly termed bigotry as racism. Which of course, is always based on stupidity. Do I make myself clear?

this one

u problaly never really experience racism

so stop playing judge and jury

a lot of people have experience racism

some people experience it everyday

[vance43211]

my bag

I think it his hilarious to call a white person who hates Mexicans because they are Mexican a racist. Any freshman anthropology student will tell you there is no such thing as a Mexican Race. The hispanic names they use come from the Iberian peninsula in Europe, where they are descended from. Ergo, they are white as well. So the bigot is stupid, and those who denounce them as racists are anthropologically ignorant.

actually it was this one


how are u going to say something as stupid as

Any freshman anthropology student will tell you there is no such thing as a Mexican Race.

last time i check they were from mexico

next u will be saying mexico don't exist

[Tommyknocker]

Okay, this is the way it works. Anthropology divides the human race into the sub races, or races, if you will. The indigenous people from Mexico are decendants of the Spanish Conquistadors. They came from Spain, a country on the Iberian peninsula, in Europe, which makes them European descendants.

Now, Mexicans are not a race, they are citizens of a country. Just as George Bush, Jesse Jackson, Michael Chang, Emilio Estevez, etc. are citizens of the United States.

[vance43211]

you might have meant well when u said it

BUT YOU SAID IT WRONG

TOMMY

[housepig]

Tommyknocker -

you may also want to post on the differences between "race" and "culture".