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  1. Member grannyGeek's Avatar
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    I saw this useful link posted somewhere, somewhen, that discusses artifacts and how to identify them (useful to me as a newbie, because us newbies don’t always know the correct names of some phenomena)

    http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/VideoArtefacts/VideoArtefacts.html

    One of the sections discusses how noise reduction can cause parts of the image to move independently of other parts.

    I’m seeing this in some of my clips, such as a cloud on the horizon doing a merry jig while its brothers remain stationary. At first I blamed it on RemoveDirt.dll, but that one is not the only filter to cause it.
    Maybe I need to ease up my settings a bit.

    Does anyone know of a cure, or is this just the nature of the beast?

    I hope you gurus have a solution for this ---
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    whats your source?
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    Vhs commercial tapes captured with a Dazzle DVC-90 USB2 device
    < I know, the dregs of the capture world >

    Captured in VirtualdubMod using Huffyuv codec.

    I mostly see this effect in mid-to-long-range distance shots, like foliage, clouds, signs with small letters seen at a distance.
    I've not found it on close-up shots, which are captured with great detail and crispness.

    Any thoughts?
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    It sounds like you need some synchronization during the analog playback.
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    Do you mean something like TBC during capture?

    Or "synchronization" during playback of the completed edited video?

    The raw captures seem ok, just noisy and grainy.
    The effect appears after applying de-noise filters.
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    I'll post a couple of short clips tomorrow.

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  7. The type of motion in the sample at the site you linked to is typical with strong temporal filtering. Noise filtering (ie, low-pass filtering) causes a phase delay. With temporal filters phase delay means temporal delay.

    In the sample from the web site the camera is shaking. Or more likely, it's a poor transfer from film and the film was shaking. In any case the picture is bouncing around from frame to frame.

    http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/VideoArtefacts/VideoArtefactsNoiseReduction.html

    Most temporal filters don't apply filtering in areas of high frame-to-frame contrast. The assumption is that this is due to motion, not noise. Applying a temporal filter to motion would lead to ghosting and multiple exposure type artifacts.

    So in low contrast parts of the video you get phase (time) delays from the temporal filters. But in high contrast areas there is no phase delay. The result is that high contrast areas are moving before the low contrast areas.
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    Hi jagabo.
    Thank you for that very understandable explanation.

    I have to 'fess up that upon more careful examination of the raw capture, I do see sections with some wriggliness <is that a legal word?> .
    I guess I didn't see it before due to the combination of telecine combing, grainy noise, the speed with which I scrolled the timeline, and my tired aging eyes.

    When I apply a filter, it does get more noticeable.
    It would seem that I will have to live with this.
    But motion hides a multitude of sins, and there are worse things in this world to worry about.
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  9. VHS tapes will have a bit of wriggliness due to variation of the read head's spin rate. Find a frame with a straight veritical line. You'll see that it isn't really straight. It's a bit wavey. The waves will vary from frame to frame.

    To clean this up you need a VHS deck with a built in line TBC. An external full frame TBC may help too. Unfortunately, both start around US$300. And they will only work with first generation recordings. If your VHS tapes are copies of VHS tapes a TBC won't be able to fix it.
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    Right now I'm working with 2nd generation dubs, so I am definitely stuck with the wiggles.

    I will have to start saving my pennies to budget for a TBC for future projects with retail tapes.

    Many thanks for your input

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    try that fxVHS filter for vdub...heard it works wonders
    I got it but my svhs deck died
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    Thanks zoobie, I will give that a try too.
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