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    I have a DVD-VR disc generated from a DVD recorder. If I put it in my PC DVD drive (NEC ND-2500A), and browse to it using windows explorer (running XP home), the window is blank. I can play the disc using PowerDVD however. I want to rip the contents of this disc to my hard drive. I tried DVD Decrypter, but it does not recognize the contents of the drive (it works for standard DVD however). Any ideas?
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    A number of people have spoken here of using DVD Decrypter to rip VR mode disks. That you can't see it with explorer or rip with Decrypter makes me wonder if the disk isn't finalised.
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    Rip the contents of your disc to the hard drive depends on what structure you want. You want a VIDEO_TS folder with IFOs and BUPs? You want a single VOB file? Please give us more details of your project.

    If the operationg system can not see the contents of the disc then I agree with guns1inger. If you want to have a MPG file from the DVD then you can use many different DVD VR editing programs to acomplish this.
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    Originally Posted by guns1inger
    That you can't see it with explorer or rip with Decrypter makes me wonder if the disk isn't finalised.
    I will check this, but I do remember hitting the finalize button on the DVD recorder and it spent several minutes doing something.

    More details for Dennis1968: I just want a single VOB file. I already know how to do this with a standard DVD using DVD Decrypter.
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    I have now checked and the disc is finalized, so that is not the problem. I also loaded the DVD into my DVD-ROM drive at work and I could see the files in windows explorer. So, it looks like the problem is related to my drive (NEC ND-2500A), the firmware for it, or my PCs O/S. I tried updating the firmware but this did not help (although there are lots of choices out there). My PC at work is running windows XP Pro SP2, and my home PC is XP home SP1. Could the problem be related to the operating system?
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    Has your ND-2500A ever recognized a DVD-VR disk?
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    Originally Posted by SLK001
    Has your ND-2500A ever recognized a DVD-VR disk?
    No. This is my first attempt.
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    You might try using Cyberlink PowerProducer as this has always worked with my Pioneer 106D drive on XP Home SP1 (not sure about NEC drives though). I can even play/rip UNfinalized VR discs if UDF software is installed (i.e. Nero InCD, etc.) since VR mode is a UDF format.
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    First, what type of media is this?
    If it's DVD-R or DVD-RW, it should be readable by the NEC.
    If it's DVD-RAM, you're out of luck.

    Next (assuming 1st is ok),
    Does your OS support VR mode discs. Or more to the point--
    Does your OS support the UDF 1.5 or UDF 2.1 or UDF 2.5 filesystem.

    DVD-Video is supposed to use UDF 1.02. All OS'es that support DVD at all will support UDF 1.02.
    IIRC, DVD-VR doesn't necessarily require UDF 1.02 and will probably use a higher version #, particularly if you record in multiple segments/session or make use of the advanced VR editing features.

    To fix this problem, you need a filesystem driver that supports a higher UDF version.
    (IIRC, Win2k supports only 1.02 natively, XP supports 1.02 and 1.5 natively)
    You should be able to find a driver on the net that can help. Look for DVD-RAM drivers as well (even if your drive isn't supposed to read it), because DVD-RAM by necessity should be 1.5.

    If all these are ok,
    get TDA, as it can read VRO files and natively re-author to a new VOB file/VIDEO_TS--without reencoding.

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    Edit--Packet writing software makes use of UDF 1.5+, so these are good options.
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    How do I know if my O/S supports UDF and what versions of UDF? I have windows XP SP1.

    This is DVD-RW. Remember, I can read it with another drive. And I can play it with PowerDVD. But that does not allow me to copy the files to my hard drive.
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    DVD-RW recorders use UDF 2.00 and again I would suggest Cyberlink PowerProducer (free trial version is available) since this was the only thing that would work for me.
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    As mentioned above windows does not natively support vr files. Vr friendly authoring software (TMPGEnc DVD Author, DVD-lab and most/all ulead products) will install this support. If still unable to "see" the files try extracitng with isobuster pro. BTW dvdecryptor does not support vr reading, and will not recognize vr disc, finalized or not. Also check out this link for readdvd, free udf reader;
    http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?SP=10007&PN=5&CID=0&SID=27617&PID=5...P=0&CACHE_ID=0
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    Originally Posted by anzimike
    Thanks anzimike. The free udf reader did the trick! I can now see the files from windows explorer. BTW, I already had Ulead MF2 installed but it did not seem to help (even though it can read the files, it cannot read the DVD with the files on it!).
    For anyone interested, the DVD contains a directory called DVD_RTAV and a hidden file, ".Sys-Reserved-RW-Bitmap.GROW". Inside DVD_RTAV are files like VR_MANGR.IFO and VR_MOVIE.VRO.
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    zakman,

    I used to have the same problem till I started using VOBBlanker to rip VR discs. It hasn't failed me yet. I would suggest first creating a folder on your HDD. In that folder, create a VIDEO_TS folder (make sure the name is in all capitals). In VOBBlanker, select your source and then select the target => the VIDEO_TS folder you created. Select Execute.

    FYI - I am using the lowly Win98 1st edition
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    VOB Blanker will only open VIDEO.TS.IFO files. VRO disks,at least the ones my Pioneer make,contain no VIDEO.TS.IFO,how can VOB Blanker open VRO disks?
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    Originally Posted by wulf109
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    VOB Blanker will only open VIDEO.TS.IFO files. VRO disks,at least the ones my Pioneer make,contain no VIDEO.TS.IFO,how can VOB Blanker open VRO disks?
    Have you tried it? I was at my wits end, when I wasn't able to convert them with DVDShrink, DVDDecrypter, etc. But when I tried VOBBlanker, it worked for me. I don't know how, only that it works. I convert DVD's in VR mode made off of my friends Phillips recorder and have had no issues. Sorry but I have not tried converting discs made on any other recorders but his Phillips. Let us know how this turns out for you.
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  17. Originally Posted by louv68
    I convert DVD's in VR mode made off of my friends Phillips recorder and have had no issues. Sorry but I have not tried converting discs made on any other recorders but his Phillips.
    Philips recorders record in +VR mode, like all other +R/RW recorders, which is completely different from the DVD Forum sanctioned VR mode (or DVD-VR mode). +VR mode is very similar to Video mode, while VR mode is a completely different format with VRO instead of VOB file extension.

    As for the subject of this thread, the following link from the British AV Forums already has an excellent step-by-step summary of how to convert VR mode to Video mode:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101191
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    Synergy,

    Thank you for clearing that up and sharing your expertise. Here I was clueless that their are more than two DVD modes out there.

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  19. Originally Posted by zakman
    How do I know if my O/S supports UDF and what versions of UDF? I have windows XP SP1.
    Upgrade to XP SP2. That should solve your problem.
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    Found this utility from Philips that may clear up quite a few UDF questions:

    http://www.hitech-projects.com/udf/

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