Building a new PC... plan on doing a lot of video editing.

[ahhaa]

Just a comment about workflow- some of the envisioned processes can be lengthy, you might consider having two identical machines which would cut your human time consumption up to 50%..:]

[lordhutt]

Why stop at 2....

[ahhaa]

Well, it's kinda like burners on a stove; they give you four, but how often do you use more than two?:]

[lordhutt]

I wasn't really sure what you were getting at... was that directed at me using 2 video cards?

[ahhaa]

No, not at all; just remember your time is the most valuable part.

I spent a couple years in an editing room. It was amazing how handy two identical setups turned out to be. And a very comfy chair!

[SameSelf]

Wading into this forum a little late, but

+1 on the h100 recommendation. Entropy is a pain.
+1/-1 on the 5820K vs 5830K rec. Sure encode times are nearly identical. But pcie lanes may become a constraint if you decide you need more than one gpu, pcie ssd, etc. You haven't mentioned what NLE you are using, but that is a serious box you are building and serious video editing demands a separate monitor from the gui. I would budget at least $1,000.

[lordhutt]

Wading into this forum a little late, but

+1 on the h100 recommendation. Entropy is a pain.
+1/-1 on the 5820K vs 5830K rec. Sure encode times are nearly identical. But pcie lanes may become a constraint if you decide you need more than one gpu, pcie ssd, etc. You haven't mentioned what NLE you are using, but that is a serious box you are building and serious video editing demands a separate monitor from the gui. I would budget at least $1,000.

I pushed this project aside momentarily but have acquired the components yesterday and today.
When you made this post I didn't know a PCIe SSD existed... or M.2... and just this week researched them...

Anyway here is where I am

NZXT Phantom 820 Full Tower
ASUS X99 Deluxe II
i7 5820K
Corsair H110i
Ballistix Sport LT 64 GB DDR4
Intel 750 series PCIe SSD
WD 6TB black from my other PC

GPU - Going to use one or two GTX 660 until an EVGA 1080 is available... I'm on auto notify with Newegg... two notifications so far and checking within 30 minutes already sold out again.

So here are my questions/concerns before I unpackage all these items.
In case I decide to make this a gaming pc in addition to the video editing and go with 2 GPU's in the future... and I have the PCIe SSD sucking up 4 lanes... should I upgrade this CPU to the 40 lane 6850?

And as far as the PCIe SSD is concerned I was under the impression that these were the fastest option including the M.2 drives.
I was at the store yesterday and bought a Maximum PC mag and they happened to have a comparison article on SSD's.
My Intel 750 was in the list but they had it beat out by the Samsung 950 Pro M.2
Sequential read Intel 2.2GB/s and the Samsung at 2.5GB/s
Write 900MB/s for the Intel and 1GB for the Samsung
Basically they had it beaten in all the benchmarks.

Given these two drives are basically the same price and the Samsung is 500GB compared to Intels 400GB should I have gone with the M.2?

[Poppa_Meth]

Don't get too worried about a SLI setup for gaming. SLI and Crossfire have such poor support that a single powerful GPU will serve you better than sinking money into a dual GPU setup anyway and also result if fewer issues to deal with.

[usually_quiet]

I pushed this project aside momentarily but have acquired the components yesterday and today.
When you made this post I didn't know a PCIe SSD existed... or M.2... and just this week researched them...

Anyway here is where I am

NZXT Phantom 820 Full Tower
ASUS X99 Deluxe II
i7 5820K
Corsair H110i
Ballistix Sport LT 64 GB DDR4
Intel 750 series PCIe SSD
WD 6TB black from my other PC

GPU - Going to use one or two GTX 660 until an EVGA 1080 is available... I'm on auto notify with Newegg... two notifications so far and checking within 30 minutes already sold out again.

So here are my questions/concerns before I unpackage all these items.
In case I decide to make this a gaming pc in addition to the video editing and go with 2 GPU's in the future... and I have the PCIe SSD sucking up 4 lanes... should I upgrade this CPU to the 40 lane 6850?

And as far as the PCIe SSD is concerned I was under the impression that these were the fastest option including the M.2 drives.
I was at the store yesterday and bought a Maximum PC mag and they happened to have a comparison article on SSD's.
My Intel 750 was in the list but they had it beat out by the Samsung 950 Pro M.2
Sequential read Intel 2.2GB/s and the Samsung at 2.5GB/s
Write 900MB/s for the Intel and 1GB for the Samsung
Basically they had it beaten in all the benchmarks.

Given these two drives are basically the same price and the Samsung is 500GB compared to Intels 400GB should I have gone with the M.2?

How much will it cost you to return the Intel SSD?

What will you use the SSD for? You don't need a big SSD for use as a boot drive, because most data should be stored elsewhere to limit the amount of writing to the SSD. Depending on how disciplined they are about keeping data off their boot drive, a 120 GB to 250 GB SSD is enough for most people.

[SameSelf]

So here are my questions/concerns before I unpackage all these items.
In case I decide to make this a gaming pc in addition to the video editing and go with 2 GPU's in the future... and I have the PCIe SSD sucking up 4 lanes... should I upgrade this CPU to the 40 lane 6850?

And as far as the PCIe SSD is concerned I was under the impression that these were the fastest option including the M.2 drives.
I was at the store yesterday and bought a Maximum PC mag and they happened to have a comparison article on SSD's.
My Intel 750 was in the list but they had it beat out by the Samsung 950 Pro M.2
Sequential read Intel 2.2GB/s and the Samsung at 2.5GB/s
Write 900MB/s for the Intel and 1GB for the Samsung
Basically they had it beaten in all the benchmarks.

Given these two drives are basically the same price and the Samsung is 500GB compared to Intels 400GB should I have gone with the M.2?

I thought you were building a serious editing machine, which was what my comments were focused on, versus an editing/gaming frankenstein. By two/three gpu's, I meant one or two gpu's for the gui and effects processing and a gpu for color management. But if all you're after is the best in benchmarks, I think we are on two different planets.

[lordhutt]

How much will it cost you to return the Intel SSD?

What will you use the SSD for? You don't need a big SSD for use as a boot drive, because most data should be stored elsewhere to limit the amount of writing to the SSD. Depending on how disciplined they are about keeping data off their boot drive, a 120 GB to 250 GB SSD is enough for most people.

It's an Amazon return so it wont cost me anything.
The SSD will be used for my OS and all my software installs... I will have HDD's for other storage.

I thought you were building a serious editing machine, which was what my comments were focused on, versus an editing/gaming frankenstein. By two/three gpu's, I meant one or two gpu's for the gui and effects processing and a gpu for color management. But if all you're after is the best in benchmarks, I think we are on two different planets.

Well, I'm building a serious editing machine in the sense that I have about 13 years of home videos built up that I would like to edit so they can be viewed and enjoyed. But I don't do video editing as a profession or anything. And while I do love video games I don't really play much because I have many other time consuming hobbies... but since I am building a new PC I'm thinking I'd like to build something powerful enough to handle some newer games and make a little time for it....
But what you are talking about having separate GPU's for effects and color management is a foreign language to me... I'll be using like $100 software... Vegas Movie Studio HD....

[SameSelf]

Well, I'm building a serious editing machine in the sense that I have about 13 years of home videos built up that I would like to edit so they can be viewed and enjoyed. But I don't do video editing as a profession or anything. And while I do love video games I don't really play much because I have many other time consuming hobbies... but since I am building a new PC I'm thinking I'd like to build something powerful enough to handle some newer games and make a little time for it....
But what you are talking about having separate GPU's for effects and color management is a foreign language to me... I'll be using like $100 software... Vegas Movie Studio HD....

Don't worry about color management. My bad actually. I assumed that since you were building a Haswell-E box with an Intel 750 that you were more than just a hobbyist because the main reason people focus on the Extreme sku's is because they use software that is cpu bound. Not many, if any games, are cpu bound anymore. This leaves only a few edge cases as justification for the expense of an Extreme sku, and I assumed you fell into one of these.

[usually_quiet]

How much will it cost you to return the Intel SSD?

What will you use the SSD for? You don't need a big SSD for use as a boot drive, because most data should be stored elsewhere to limit the amount of writing to the SSD. Depending on how disciplined they are about keeping data off their boot drive, a 120 GB to 250 GB SSD is enough for most people.

It's an Amazon return so it wont cost me anything.
The SSD will be used for my OS and all my software installs... I will have HDD's for other storage.

Your usage seems typical. I suspect you could get away with a 250 GB SSD, unless you have a lot of programs installed.

I downloaded the manual for your motherboard and found that if someone is using a 28-lane CPU, enabling the M.2 connection or the U.2 connections will also take away PCI-e lanes. (Be sure to read the user manual for your motherboard carefully before you enable other high-speed data connections too.) That being said, there is no reason why you should not return the PCI-e SSD and get an M.2 SSD, if you would prefer one. It is just a slightly more even trade than you thought.

I'm not recommending that you get a 40-lane CPU. From what you have told us so far, and what Poppa_Meth wrote, there don't seem to be a lot of reasons for you to build a super high-end machine beyond the pleasurable feeling of knowing you have one.

[SameSelf]

Well, I'm building a serious editing machine in the sense that I have about 13 years of home videos built up that I would like to edit so they can be viewed and enjoyed. But I don't do video editing as a profession or anything. And while I do love video games I don't really play much because I have many other time consuming hobbies... but since I am building a new PC I'm thinking I'd like to build something powerful enough to handle some newer games and make a little time for it....
But what you are talking about having separate GPU's for effects and color management is a foreign language to me... I'll be using like $100 software... Vegas Movie Studio HD....

After reflecting on this comment a little further, I say this only because I think you may have miscalculated. Sony MS 13 is not serious editing software and that machine is waaay overbuilt even if you plan on using it for gaming. You may derive some benefit during rendering (not sure how well threaded MS 13 is), but rather than risk it, I would return everything and downscale to an Skylake with a cheap M.2 SSD and sink your money into a 1080 gpu. You will be a lot happier in the end, I promise. Disclosure: ignore everything I said if you plan to upgrade to some "serious" editing software.

[lordhutt]

After reflecting on this comment a little further, I say this only because I think you may have miscalculated. Sony MS 13 is not serious editing software and that machine is waaay overbuilt even if you plan on using it for gaming. You may derive some benefit during rendering (not sure how well threaded MS 13 is), but rather than risk it, I would return everything and downscale to an Skylake with a cheap M.2 SSD and sink your money into a 1080 gpu. You will be a lot happier in the end, I promise. Disclosure: ignore everything I said if you plan to upgrade to some "serious" editing software.

Well, I tend to over do most things I do. At least I'll be future proofed for some time. And whenever one finally becomes available I'll get an EVGA 1080... Every time New Egg gets them in stock they sell out in less than 30 minutes... and the people selling on Amazon are price gouging.

As far as my software is concerned what would you recommend? Are you talking like Adobe Premiere Pro or Vegas Pro?... something better? But here are my questions... 1. I can generally pick up on most software easy enough and Sony MS is pretty intuitive for most things. What is the learning curve on the more advanced software packages? 2. How is it going to benefit me compared to something cheaper like MS? Are we mainly talking the video quality of the finished product?
I mean I'm basically editing home movies... mostly 1080 AVCHD files from a Sony Camcorder.
You say I'm over building my PC and your probably right but how far should I overdo my software....

[usually_quiet]

@lordhutt Maybe you don't need the rig you are in the process of building today, but do you think you might get a UHD camera in the next 2 years? It would come in very handy if that is the case.

Since you have not been especially active recently, be very wary of advice from SameSelf. Beyond getting his own questions answered his main purpose for being here appears to be insulting the forum membership and instigating flame wars. Other than jagabo and poisondeathray (because he needs them at present) he has no use for anyone else here, including Cornucopia.

[lordhutt]

@lordhutt Maybe you don't need the rig you are in the process of building today, but do you think you might get a UHD camera in the next 2 years? It would come in very handy if that is the case.

Since you have not been especially active recently, be very wary of advice from SameSelf. Beyond getting his own questions answered his main purpose for being here appears to be insulting the forum membership and instigating flame wars. Other than jagabo and poisondeathray (because he needs them at present) he has no use for anyone else here, including Cornucopia.

Actually there is probably a good chance of a new camera sooner rather than later. My camcorder is 8 years old now and is starting to have an issue with the hard drive.

And yeah I haven't been around much lately so thanks for the advice. I do recognize many of the old names though.
And I was more or less just entertaining the conversation. I don't foresee me upgrading to any 'serious' video editing software since my skill level on that subject doesn't warrant it... Unless I would need something more in the future if as you mentioned I get a UHD camcorder and my current software doesn't support the files.

[SameSelf]

@lordhutt Maybe you don't need the rig you are in the process of building today, but do you think you might get a UHD camera in the next 2 years? It would come in very handy if that is the case.

Since you have not been especially active recently, be very wary of advice from SameSelf. Beyond getting his own questions answered his main purpose for being here appears to be insulting the forum membership and instigating flame wars. Other than jagabo and poisondeathray (because he needs them at present) he has no use for anyone else here, including Cornucopia.

Actually there is probably a good chance of a new camera sooner rather than later. My camcorder is 8 years old now and is starting to have an issue with the hard drive.

And yeah I haven't been around much lately so thanks for the advice. I do recognize many of the old names though.
And I was more or less just entertaining the conversation. I don't foresee me upgrading to any 'serious' video editing software since my skill level on that subject doesn't warrant it... Unless I would need something more in the future if as you mentioned I get a UHD camcorder and my current software doesn't support the files.

I put usually_quiet on my ignore list many moons ago because of juvenile rants like that. Sorry you had to be subjected to uq's trivial feud. It is only with the rare quote when I see how he continues to trash me on this forum. lol, thanks for the laughs.



Anyway, I am not trying to tell you what to do. I am just trying to give you some perspective. I agree that Haswell-E will be future proofed for years to come, maybe forever, as in this could very well be the last computer you ever build. I also think Sony MS 13 is a great route to go. It is cheap and an easy way to get your hands dirty. I don't personally own a copy, but I might buy it because it does look fun. But here is the real deal. You really only need a laptop to run MS 13. Building a Haswell-E is clearly scratching some other itches for you. And that is fine. But I would only ever recommend more serious software if you do things like multi-cam, tracking, grading, vfx, etc.

So don't think for a second you need to run out and drop serious coin on a pro level NLE like Premiere Pro or Vegas Pro. One, PP is no longer for sale; it is SaaS only. Two, Sony sold Vegas Pro; who knows where it will end up. So, build your system, if you must. Push out some video projects. Then sit back and reflect on whether MS 13 is doing everything you need. Or better yet, return everything. Load MS 13 on your laptop and start getting your hands dirty for only $100. Then reflect on whether you really need a Haswell-E or if a Skylake is sufficient.

[usually_quiet]

Some of SameSelf's threads:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/375221-The-PC-is-Dead
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/379367-AVI-obsolete
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/377244-DDR4-Prices-Dropping-Like-a-Rock

[lordhutt]

I had actually seen some of those threads already... a couple WTF moments.
Well, you two guys obviously don't care too much for each other and I'm not really going to get involved.
Although I'm pretty set on what I'm doing at this point let's just try to keep this thread on the original subject.

@SameSelf I don't know what you deal is trying to talk me out of what I'm doing. I can tell you that you have zero chance of getting me to downgrade anything at this point let alone abort the project all together...and the laptop comment...are you kidding me!! I'm typing this on a 24"X3 monitor setup... what the F would I want a single 17" with a toy keyboard for? If you gave me a free laptop I wouldn't use it.
It took multiple people to convince me to stay with the 5820 over the 6850... which I'm glad in a way because it also got me to educate myself more on PCIe lanes and other things.

So anyway, my M.2 drive will be here Wednesday... Hopefully I'll have this thing running by the weekend. Many things have changed since my last build so I plan on reading the mobo manual cover to cover before I start.

[SameSelf]

Perspective, lordhutt, perspective. You are building a Haswell-E box to run Sony MS 13. I hope you have some other uses for it that aren't cpu bound.

[lordhutt]

Really? I'm doing this just to run Sony MS? Don't forget Thunderbird... I have to process those emails. Perhaps I'm doing it because my 6 year old computer has been giving me a shitload of troubles even after clean installs for the last 2 months. I've already removed defective hardware like RAM and I'm pretty sure my chip or mobo has a problem. So I'm building a new one. It's 2016 so I'm certainly not going to build another pc with an LGA1366 chip like I did in 2010. Maybe I just like to waste money. Maybe I want to be the first kid on my block with a Haswell chip because I'm only 11 and that's important to me. Maybe I wanted a new tower that could barely fit on my desk (damn that thing is bigger that I thought it was!). Maybe I'm building just because I can and the voices told me to do so... sorry if my build causes you so much grief.

[usually_quiet]

My guess is that you'd need more than a regular laptop or an average desktop within a year or two, given what you have said. You mentioned wanting an Oculus Rift and you need a new camcorder. Given that it is 2016, and you are not on a tight budget I would be somewhat surprised if the new camcorder was a 1080p model.

There is consumer software that claims to be capable of 4K video editing. For example, Sony Movie Studio 13 Platinum says it edits XAVC S from Sony's 4K cameras. ...but real pro editing software has better 4K video support at present.

Magix may own most of Sony's software now, but they supposedly kept the development team intact, so there is some reason to hope that the product line won't go to hell under new ownership.

[lordhutt]

So I have a slight snag here early in the build. Corsair h110 with the Phantom 820 case. Top or bottom the mounting holes do not line up for the radiator. Should I assume I may have to drill a few holes? Is this a common issue?

I can get 6 of the 8 screws in and it does seem quite secure.
I can hit the 4 in the middle and the 2 on the left... or two in the middle and 2 on the right.

[usually_quiet]

So I have a slight snag here early in the build. Corsair h110 with the Phantom 820 case. Top or bottom the mounting holes do not line up for the radiator. Should I assume I may have to drill a few holes? Is this a common issue?

I did some searches using Google. If I am reading the returned results correctly the existing 200 mm fan has to be removed from the case to use the Corsair H110i on top. Does that make sense?

People said they could mount the h110i afterwards, but did not say how many of the screws they could use.

[redwudz]

If that's a NZXT 820 case, the 280mm radiator 'should' fit correctly in a top or bottom configuration.
My Corsiar just uses stock 120mm fan mount, so easy to set up.

I've never had to modify a case. But as long as the fan fits flush against the case after moving the screw holes, maybe OK.
Alternatives would be to return the case or the cooler.

[lordhutt]

I did remove the 200mm fan to mount.
All holes simply do not line up although the specs say the top and bottom are rated for 280mm
Like I said I do have 6 screws in it at the moment and it seems quite sturdy.

On another note if this is going to be ok.
I mentioned earlier this is the first time I've used a radiator. I've seen people talking about a push/pull setup with the radiator fans and two fans on top.
So if I would set up like this I assume that means all four fans will be pulling up and out of the case, correct? As in the bottom fans push air into the radiator and the top two pull it away.
Right now the case has 2 200mm fans. One on top and one of the side panel. (also front and back fans) I was going to remove the 200 mm fan from the door and put it on top with the other to have both on top of the radiator.
And was going to replace the door with one that just has more glass and skip the side panel fan altogether.
Is this an ok thing to do?

And I also sent NZXT an email a little earlier so hopefully they will get back to me tomorrow.

[lordhutt]

....

[redwudz]

Push-pull is how I set my fans up for the Corsair H-50s I'm using presently.
The reason is I have good foam filters on the front intake of my PC and I'm using two 120mm PWM (Pulse Width Modulated) fans for intake.

The radiator of the H-50 is sandwiched between two more 120mm PWM fans.
The first inside CPU fan blows filtered case air into the radiator and the second fan exhausts it.
This increases the velocity of the air through the radiator for improved cooling.

All four fans are controlled by the motherboard software. They run from about 600RPM up to about 1700RPM. They are all very quiet.

The normal Corsair setup is the use the radiator fans for intake. But you would need a filter over those fans or your radiator may plug.
My radiator stays clean.

EDIT: I also don't like fans in the door that suck in unfiltered air and blow it into the case. I like a straight through air flow,
front to back or front to top. And I plug all other case holes to keep out dust.

A photo of my setup:

[lordhutt]

Thanks redwudz. Sounds good...looks good!
I think I'll be good with the 6 screws. I was pulling down on the radiator and it feels very secure.
I'll send up some pics after I get her running.