AVI obsolete?

[SameSelf]

I love this quote from the DaVinci Resolve manual:

"AVI: A deprecated file-based format that remains popular with Windows applications."

[_Al_]

Someone perhaps did not finished that sentence.
like ........ but as a intermediate format it is not and still used, so they should mention that.

But I just noticed that "format" word, that is perhaps you post this, avi is not a format, but container, so yes, it is kind of all screwed up.

[SameSelf]

Format is just the terminology that DR uses for various containers that one can choose from e.g. Quicktime.

[El Heggunte]

As long as you don't use the pesky container for storing AVC && HEVC video or/and lossless audio
(FLAC , WavPack, ALAC, MLP, coreless DTS-HD, MP4 ALS, etc),

you remain on the safe side

Question: if the AVI container does support VBR audio, then why can't one store lossless audio in an AVI file?
Answer: because Alex Noe stopped updating AVI-Mux GUI years ago, and nobody has had any interest in updating the source-code

FWIW: http://www.alexander-noe.com/video/amg/en_myths.html

[El Heggunte]

Question: if the AVI container does support VBR audio, then why can't one store lossless audio in an AVI file?
Answer: because Alex Noe stopped updating AVI-Mux GUI years ago, and nobody has had any interest in updating the source-code

Not only that — a proper TwoCC flag is required as well, and AFAIK at least, there are no officially-registered TwoCCs for lossless audio...

Hell, not even for Opus — which is lossy and supports strict CBR encoding —, because Opus == Xiph, and Xiph == anti-M$ trolls.

[JVRaines]

"Deprecated" means "disapproved of." In other words, DaVinci doesn't care for AVI files. That's a long way from "obsolete."

[SameSelf]

"Deprecated" means "disapproved of." In other words, DaVinci doesn't care for AVI files. That's a long way from "obsolete."

Wrong. You are confusing it with general usage in the English language. Deprecated, when used in reference to software, is a technical term for obsolete code. Therefore, whenever you see that term used, it should raise serious red flags; hence the reason for my post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation#Software_deprecation

[JVRaines]

Wrong. You are confusing it with general usage in the English language. Deprecated, when used in reference to software, is a technical term for obsolete code. Therefore, whenever you see that term used, it should raise serious red flags; hence the reason for my post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation#Software_deprecation

Please show me where in the cited Wikipedia text it says that deprecated software is obsolete.

[johns0]

Avi isn't obsolete or deprecated,those are just users opinions,there are still lots of people using avi for different codecs such as xvid.Lot of older hardware are still in use that play these files and people aren't gonna update too soon.

[KarMa]

Format is just the terminology that DR uses for various containers that one can choose from e.g. Quicktime.

Not very reassuring use of the word format, considering this thread is based on their terminology toward AVI. Which leads to questions of what do they really mean by obsolete.

Anyway AVI is ancient and should not really be used with any modern video/audio codecs. But is certainly still needed for dealing with old digital videos or for lossless capturing via Virtualdub. .MOV is pretty ancient too, my CD of MYST (1993) has a short documentary on it and they used Cinepak inside a .MOV, with like 8khz PCM Mono.

[SameSelf]

Wrong. You are confusing it with general usage in the English language. Deprecated, when used in reference to software, is a technical term for obsolete code. Therefore, whenever you see that term used, it should raise serious red flags; hence the reason for my post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation#Software_deprecation

Please show me where in the cited Wikipedia text it says that deprecated software is obsolete.

Now you are just trolling. Go away.

[SameSelf]

After a little google-fu, it seems that AVI has indeed been superseded by other formats, even as a digital intermediate.

[usually_quiet]

Guys, this thread is is just another pointless SameSelf flame war bait topic.

[ron spencer]

After a little google-fu, it seems that AVI has indeed been superseded by other formats, even as a digital intermediate.

Not for DV. For HD, yes DNxHD and ProRes are intermediates.

Does anybody really use Davinci anyway? Anybody here?

[ron spencer]

According to Wikipedia:

Deprecation is the discouragement of use of some feature, design or practice, typically because it has been superseded or is no longer considered safe, without (at least for the time being) removing it from the system of which it is a part or prohibiting its use

Don't see how avi fits this.

[-Habanero-]

So he posts a new thread in the News forum to announce someone else's strong disapproval of a media container?
This seriously reeks of a troll thread trying to provoke a flamewar which this three-letter file extension is notorious for.

Please piss off Sameself. This sort of garbage belongs on douche9.

[johns0]

Thread moved to the general discussions forum,not latest news worthy.