Need suggestions on video capture board for Macrovision

[SCDVD]

I would appreciate suggestions on video capture boards that will eliminate Macrovision when doing backups of VHS tapes - thanks

[thecoalman]

Well MV detection has to be puposley included or excluded from a capture card.

For the most part the only ones that don't include MV are cheaper ones such as the Leadtek TV2000. Some have hacks such as the hack for the Canopus (speaking of which I have to try it on mine to see if it still works, supposedll it's not supposed to work anymore). You can eliminate it on some simply by using older drivers such as using WDM V1.08 on any Nvidia VIVO card. Or you can go for the mother of all MV eliminators a TBC.

[vhelp]

If you your options include Hardware devices, you might want to consider
the:

. Analog AVI capture cards .

* LeadTeck Winfast TV2000 XP "Expert"
* DC10+ (hardware MJPEG avi) - no noise

. Hardware DV devices .

* Sony TRV22 cam (MV'less by default through pass-through) - no noise
* ADVC-100 (hold btn 15sec to elim. MV) - no noise

. Hardware MEPG-2 boards .

* Hauppauge pvr-250/350 (haven't tried the USB-2 just yet) - no noise
* ADS DVD Xpress USB-2 (W98SE on up) - no noise
** regarding DVD Xpress: not totally MV free.. just found out this evening.

*** Note, "no noise" means clean video.

I have many other cards, but I can't remember them all and their atributes.

-vhelp

[vhelp]

EDITED by vhelp

..wrong post.. (too many windows opened)

-vhelp

[tedkunich]

If you your options include Hardware devices, you might want to consider
the:

. Analog AVI capture cards .

* LeadTeck Winfast TV2000 XP "Expert"
* DC10+ (hardware MJPEG avi) - no noise

. Hardware DV devices .

* Sony TRV22 cam (MV'less by default through pass-through) - no noise
* ADVC-100 (hold btn 15sec to elim. MV) - no noise

. Hardware MEPG-2 boards .

* Hauppauge pvr-250/350 (haven't tried the USB-2 just yet) - no noise
* ADS DVD Xpress USB-2 (W98SE on up) - no noise
** regarding DVD Xpress: not totally MV free.. just found out this evening.

*** Note, "no noise" means clean video.

I have many other cards, but I can't remember them all and their atributes.

-vhelp

Have you tried the Leadtek in this situation???? Looking at the Conexant datasheet, the MV feature is buit into the chipset - there is nothing that the board manufacturer can do to disable it (unless they know the hidden registers). It *may* be possible that Leadtek has done this, but I cannot imagine that the studios would willingly allow them to circumvent the "protection".


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[thecoalman]

Leadtek worked for me on a MV protected movie. I only tried it once just to test it. Possibly your looking at the wrong chip?

[vhelp]

@ tedkunich

Rgarding your comment.., no I haven't truely verifity
this. Well.., at least with my last VHS tape that I just tried
this evening, and found out that it has another form of MV
on it, "The Fifth Element" showed signs of MV on my DVD Xpress unit (I posted a revision on the thread - 1st page about this new finding)
.
yeah, I think that I should try that same tape on this
capgure card to be sure. Just don't have the time at
the moment to install the card. Please, if you remember,
remind me from time to time, did I do this yet. Thanks.

OH yea, the board I have is Rev C.

-vhelp

[FulciLives]

The more I have explored the options the more I am happy with my "low end" AverTV Stereo PCI capture card.

I've come to the conclusion that DV capture is no good due to the compression used by the DV AVI format and the 4:1:1 sampling rate (for NTSC anyways).

That means you go with a PCI type capture card (so you can do HuffyUV or PICVideo MJPEG capture) or a hardware device like the Hauppauge Win-TV PVR 250 or a stand alone DVD reocorder.

I don't like the way real-time MPEG captures look though for the most part so I would go with a BT card like the AverTV Stereo or a Philips chipset card like the Asus Capture card or even the LeadTeck Winfast TV2000 XP Expert, etc.

I'm just too hooked on software MPEG conversion from high quality capture (PICVideo MJPEG in my case).

Not to mention you won't get any MV problems with the BT cards and I believe that goes for the other cards I mentioned as well.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[tedkunich]

Leadtek worked for me on a MV protected movie. I only tried it once just to test it. Possibly your looking at the wrong chip?

The Leadtek "Expert" uses the Conexant CX2388x chip. The data sheet that I have clearly states that MV is built into the chip and that Conexant will not release the register map to controll that function without signing away your first born. It is the data sheet that is found floating around here on the forum....

[tedkunich]

@ tedkunich

Rgarding your comment.., no I haven't truely verifity
this. Well.., at least with my last VHS tape that I just tried
this evening, and found out that it has another form of MV
on it, "The Fifth Element" showed signs of MV on my DVD Xpress unit (I posted a revision on the thread - 1st page about this new finding)
.
yeah, I think that I should try that same tape on this
capgure card to be sure. Just don't have the time at
the moment to install the card. Please, if you remember,
remind me from time to time, did I do this yet. Thanks.

OH yea, the board I have is Rev C.


-vhelp

@vhelp

The Winfast "Deluxe" uses the old Brooktree BT8xx chip set. I do not have the data sheet on that device, but it very well may not have MV incorporated into the silicon. The "Expert" series uses the new Conexant CX2388x chip, which DOES have MV protection built in.


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[BrainStorm69]

Neither of my Avermedia cards have any problems with MV. The AverTV Stereo has the BT878 chip and the DVD EZMaker has the Philips chip. Personally, I like the DVD EZMaker better, and the price was right ($10 after rebate).

[fmctm1sw]

hauppauge wintv FM radio...

[FulciLives]

Neither of my Avermedia cards have any problems with MV. The AverTV Stereo has the BT878 chip and the DVD EZMaker has the Philips chip. Personally, I like the DVD EZMaker better, and the price was right ($10 after rebate).

The AverTV Stereo PCI card (the AverTV Studio is basically the same) is rather amazing when you know what you are doing

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[BrainStorm69]

The AverTV Stereo PCI card (the AverTV Studio is basically the same) is rather amazing when you know what you are doing

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

My problem with the AverTV Stereo is that I found I was getting vertical lines as shown in this thread:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200843&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc...light=vertical lines

The DVD EZMaker (with the Philips chip) has no such problem, and I can also cap at 352x480 without the silly vertical filter of the BT878 that requires you to cap at 368x480 and crop to keep the sharpness.

[FulciLives]

The AverTV Stereo PCI card (the AverTV Studio is basically the same) is rather amazing when you know what you are doing

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

My problem with the AverTV Stereo is that I found I was getting vertical lines as shown in this thread:

https://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=200843&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc...light=vertical lines

The DVD EZMaker (with the Philips chip) has no such problem, and I can also cap at 352x480 without the silly vertical filter of the BT878 that requires you to cap at 368x480 and crop to keep the sharpness.

I have never had problems like that (I looked at the thread you linked too) but I only use the composite or S-Video input. I noticed the RF input looked like shit even when I tried to plug my cable into it. Shitty TV tuner.

Otherwise I get very clean video from composite (which I mostly use) as well as S-Video (which I've only tested a few times).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[BrainStorm69]

I have never had problems like that (I looked at the thread you linked too) but I only use the composite or S-Video input. I noticed the RF input looked like shit even when I tried to plug my cable into it. Shitty TV tuner.

Otherwise I get very clean video from composite (which I mostly use) as well as S-Video (which I've only tested a few times).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I used the s-video input. AFAIR, with composite the problem was still there, although less noticeable. Which drivers are you using these days?

[FulciLives]

I have never had problems like that (I looked at the thread you linked too) but I only use the composite or S-Video input. I noticed the RF input looked like shit even when I tried to plug my cable into it. Shitty TV tuner.

Otherwise I get very clean video from composite (which I mostly use) as well as S-Video (which I've only tested a few times).

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I used the s-video input. AFAIR, with composite the problem was still there, although less noticeable. Which drivers are you using these days?

I've used the BTwincap drivers but currently I'm using the newest version of the Avermedia drivers. They work fine just have to remember that for DVD you need to capture 688x480 for NTSC (and add 16 black to either side) or 696x576 for PAL (and add 12 black on either side). This will give you a proper aspect ratio.

If you use the BTwincap driver then NTSC is 712x480 and I normally crop that to 704x480 then add 8 black on either side. Not sure what PAL is with the BTwincap driver ... never tested PAL with that driver.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

P.S.
Here is a link to a page I made one day to show a friend what I can do video wise. There are screen caps from a VHS (LOVE CAMP) and screen caps from a LaserDisc (BLADERUNNER). These were done using the AverTV Stereo and the Avermedia drivers.

CLICK HERE FOR LINK