8mm Anlog to DVD & Filters? No luck,

[LSchafroth]

I have a ton of home video on my Analog 8mm camera. The quality of the footage is pretty good.

I tried Capturing at 720x480 then resizing to 352x480 for Half D1. Then I captured directly to 352x480 and could not tell the difference.

So, I capture at Half F1 using MJpeg setting of 19.
I convert it to DVD usign Smurfs DVD settings for TMPGEnc.

The video is good, but you can see the stairstep effect like wathcing interlaced on progressive monitor. The file is left interlaced and I am watching it on a 31" Toshiba TV with a Panasonic RV27 player.

I added filters to it and every time I add filters of any kind I get ghosting on fast left to right movements. Very difficult to watch.

I used CQ, then VBR with 1000 min, 2200avg & 3500max. Same thing.

How do you filter your footage to smooth it out a bit without having the ghostinging effect? It's like watching fast motion video on a old lcd that cannot keep up with the screen draws.

Thanks!

LS

PS Filters used: SNR 6, FRAMEMERGE 2, DNR 8 & SHARP 6. I also tried Flaxen VHS filter which made no effect to teh video at all, but slowed down the encode by 4 fold.

[disturbed1]

static noise reduction and dynamic noise reduction will cause a ghosting effect, esp. with high values like you've used. Try lower values to see if that helps, if not.......


Try the 2dcleaner, and smart smoother for virtual dub.

For avisynth, try undot, deen, msharpen, msmooth, and/or convolution 3d.

[LSchafroth]

Try the 2dcleaner, and smart smoother for virtual dub.

What settings would be valid for the 2D Cleaner and smoother?

I was using settings suggested here for all the other filters.

I'll do some experimenting!

Thanks,

LS

[disturbed1]

The settings depend on your footage and the desired outcome. There are no magic numbers<-I only wish it was that easy

Carefull with the 2dCleaner. You'll know if it's too powerfull. I always start with the default settings, and tune them down from there. But I'm sure my source materail, and desired outcome is different than yours

[LSchafroth]

I just tried 2dcleaner with it's default setting and smoother with a setting of 10.

Same ghosting, jerky results.

Does it have something to do with Frameserving in general?

LS

[TheFamilyMan]

I may be misreading your problem; here is what I've found in converted my analog 8mm to DVD.

I noticed that the edges of solid objects (say like a car roof) appear pixellated, i.e. stair stepped. I thought, what's going on here? So I looked closely at my source played directly on the TV. And voila, it shows the exact same problem! So I learned to live with it. I figured if it's a source "defect" (not noise), filters can't accurately fill in information that is non-existant in the source being filtered. I'll watch this thread to see if you can solve this problem...or maybe this isn't your problem.

[LSchafroth]

Try the 2dcleaner, and smart smoother for virtual dub.

OK, I tried it with Mainconcept amd TMPGEnc and both encoders are jerky and ghosting when Frameserved. I filterd a 1 minute clip as a uncompressed AVI from VD to bypass frameseving. 1Gb file!!

It processed with MC smooth as silk. What can I do to fix Frameserving?

LS

[disturbed1]

use avisynth

Never liked Virtualdub myself, more of an avisynth man

Seriously though......

Just make sure the frame client and avi proxy are installed for virtual dub. Also, some filters will cause a delay when serving with audio, this could be a result of the problem you're describing. I usually disable the audio processing when frame serving with Virtual Dub.

[LSchafroth]

It processed with MC smooth as silk. What can I do to fix Frameserving?

LS

OK, so I'm wrong! It looks perfect on the PC. When I burned it to DVD-RW and played it, it's doing the same thing. it ONLY does that when I filter it.

I guess I will have to leave it as is and be happy with it. The smoothing looks so much better but the jerkyness and ghosting is impossible to watch.

Thanks!!

LS

[LSchafroth]

Also, some filters will cause a delay when serving with audio, this could be a result of the problem you're describing. I usually disable the audio processing when frame serving with Virtual Dub.

I tried it without audio and no Frameserving. Same exact thing.

LS