mpeg better picture than SVCD or VCD

[I@n S]

My DVD player can't play mpg's so I want to burn them to VCD or SVCD. The picutre for a VCD/SVCD looks worse than when it was just a mpg. How can I improve the picture quality for VCD/SVCD???
I'm using Nero Burning ROM to burn them

[Dragonsf]

1st of all, I can't see the difference between SVCD/VCD/DVD and mpeg.
They are all mpeg one way or another.
What are you comparing: the picture on the PC's monitor or on TV?If you are not changing the resolution or bitrate, they should look all the same after authoring and burning.

[ZippyP.]

If you're re-encoding then there's always a loss in quality. If you're using nero for your encoding then there's an even bigger loss. It's better to author and burn the mpeg's straight to VCD or SVCD if they're in the correct format, ie resolution etc.

[I@n S]

If you're re-encoding then there's always a loss in quality. If you're using nero for your encoding then there's an even bigger loss. It's better to author and burn the mpeg's straight to VCD or SVCD if they're in the correct format, ie resolution etc.

Ok how do I burn them straight to VCD/SVCD? I use Nero and yes it wants to re-encode them even though I've captured the video as VCD or SVCD. The Capture program WinProducer3 has Buring to CD but it gives some error (that I can't remember) as if it's not compatable with my CD burner.

[Ejoc]

I saw "Capture" does this mean you are capturing an analog source and then converting it to VCD/SVCD? (helpful info for us to know)

If you are, it sounds like you are capturing as an mpeg.

Id use VirtualDub, capture as an YUY2 and use huffyuy compression. Then feed that avi to tmpgenc to create the proper mpegs for burning to (S)VCD.

[I@n S]

I saw "Capture" does this mean you are capturing an analog source and then converting it to VCD/SVCD? (helpful info for us to know)

If you are, it sounds like you are capturing as an mpeg.

Id use VirtualDub, capture as an YUY2 and use huffyuy compression. Then feed that avi to tmpgenc to create the proper mpegs for burning to (S)VCD.

capturing from DVD player to mpeg using WinProducer3. There must be some way of making a VCD/SVCD without re-encoding it thas making the picture worse

[Ejoc]

are you physically putting a DVD into your computer, or are you running a cable from your DVD player to your computer.

If you are putting the DVD into your computer you're ripping it, if you have a cable running to a video capture card on your computer you're capturing.

If you are capturing and you dont want to capture as a YUY2 and convert it to mpeg(A nice way togo to get good picture quality) set the card to capture in 480x480 for svcd, and if you are using nero <cringe> I hear theres a way to disable it from converting your mpeg and burning it as it is.
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/89899.php

if you are ripping it:
https://www.videohelp.com/sefy/?id=ClassicalGuide.html

[poopyhead]

1st of all, I can't see the difference between SVCD/VCD/DVD and mpeg.
They are all mpeg one way or another.

i think he means the authoring process.

i guess he means his player won't play the .mpg files burned as a DATA CD.

there is also differences...MPEG-1 vs. MPEG-2.

---------------

@I@n S,

crap in=crap out.

you need to start with a good source. if you already converted your video into VCD, there's pretty much no way to improve on it without the source, as all the video info is lost in VCD's low bitrate.

if you do have a good source, do try to encode into SVCD, as it is usually much higher quality than standard, compliant VCD, which is fixed at 1150 kbit/s CBR.

--------------------

but FIRST, you need to make sure if your dvd player supports SVCDs. check it out here: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

if not, you may be able to use the VCD Header Trick.

otherwise, you may wanna find out if your dvd player supports xVCD, as it's also higher quality than standard VCD.

[I@n S]

1st of all, I can't see the difference between SVCD/VCD/DVD and mpeg.
They are all mpeg one way or another.

i think he means the authoring process.

i guess he means his player won't play the .mpg files burned as a DATA CD.

there is also differences...MPEG-1 vs. MPEG-2.

---------------

@I@n S,

crap in=crap out.

you need to start with a good source. if you already converted your video into VCD, there's pretty much no way to improve on it without the source, as all the video info is lost in VCD's low bitrate.

if you do have a good source, do try to encode into SVCD, as it is usually much higher quality than standard, compliant VCD, which is fixed at 1150 kbit/s CBR.

--------------------

but FIRST, you need to make sure if your dvd player supports SVCDs. check it out here: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers

if not, you may be able to use the VCD Header Trick.

otherwise, you may wanna find out if your dvd player supports xVCD, as it's also higher quality than standard VCD.

yeah spot on. Thats exactly what I ment. I know my DVD player supports SVCD because it has a sticker on the front saying it does. I don't know about xVCD though. SVCD is more 30min per CD rather than a hour per CD with VCD right?
Oh something weird. I tried VirtualDub once and it drops frames where as WinProducer3 doesn't seem to.

[I@n S]

are you physically putting a DVD into your computer, or are you running a cable from your DVD player to your computer.

If you are putting the DVD into your computer you're ripping it, if you have a cable running to a video capture card on your computer you're capturing.

If you are capturing and you dont want to capture as a YUY2 and convert it to mpeg(A nice way togo to get good picture quality) set the card to capture in 480x480 for svcd, and if you are using nero <cringe> I hear theres a way to disable it from converting your mpeg and burning it as it is.
https://www.videohelp.com/forum/userguides/89899.php

if you are ripping it:
https://www.videohelp.com/sefy/?id=ClassicalGuide.html

No idea on how to stop nero from re-encoding it.
Also something i just found out then. Virtualdub said something else is aready using my capture drivers and can't run. What would that be, cause nothing else is open?

[poopyhead]

try to go with SVCD, as it is usually higher quality than xVCD...since your player does support SVCD.

the amount of movie you can fit per CD is dependent on the avg. bitrate you use. lower bitrate (quality) --> more movie per CD

so, it's a trade-off.....if you want to fit more than 45 min / CD, try to use multi-pass VBR, as that will be the most efficient at allocating the precious bitrate.

never ever use CBR...at the least, use CQ VBR.

[I@n S]

ok thanks

[EddyH]

Maybe a little late to say this, but how about just trying VCDEasy or some other burning program of that ilk?
Or maybe just re-muxing the files as Super/VideoCD in TMPGEnc's MPG Tools menu (under "file" on the menu bar) as some programs dont put out decent streams, and Nero can get uppity about that. Or just tell it to ignore the standards.. if it *is* an mpg you have, not an avi, in which case that won't be an option.