panasonic es-15 pass thru

[shovels]

I am trying to use the TBC of the Panasonic es-15 and on my laptop I get the playback video, via the capture card but the video has a black line across it and barely any colour.
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Please help me and advise what I am doing wrong, I seem to have tried everything and spent lots of hours!

So I have a JVC HR-S8600EU with the TBC button turned off. I am using a s-video from the back of the JVC unit to the s-video IN on the back of the Panasonic es-15. the audio red and white RCA's are connected directly to my Video Capture Card, which is a Elgato Video Capture Card. I then have a s-video cable going from the es-15 to the s-video port of the Elgato Video capture card. The Video card is then connected to my laptop via a usb. The Laptop is a ASUS TUF Gaming A14 FA401KH. OS is windows 11 with a NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5050 GPU (8GB) and a AMD Radeon 860M Graphics card (512 MB).

There is a switch on the back of the VCR, not too sure what this does, I have tried it in both positions to no avail. see attached
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I have remote controls for both the JVC and Panasinic, when I access the menus from both the DVD or VCR the screen on my monitor via the video capture card is perfect, its only the black line scenrio when I try to play back a recording.

I do hope someone can help

[Alwyn]

Yes, these things can be tricky to sort out, mainly by using trying and discounting.

The switch on the back is the Composite-S-Video selector for AV1 Out, which is the top SCART plug.

Some ideas to start:

Does this line show with all tapes?

Does it show with the VCR connected direct to the Elgato?

Try swapping the S-Video cables around.

From the ES-15, connect to the Elgato using a Composite (yellow) video cable (set the Elgato to Composite In).

If you have a SCART connector, try using the Composite video path (the yellow video cable) into the ES-15.

Play a DVD in the ES-15 and check for the line.

[Sharc]

... I am using a s-video from the back of the JVC unit to the s-video IN on the back of the Panasonic es-15....

Hmmm..., what ES-15 model do you have? New Zealand is PAL country AFAIK, and the ES-15 PAL variants I know of have their S-Video IN connector on the front (AV3) only.
Or are you using the S-Video IN pin of the SCART connector on the back of your ES-15 model?
Just curious..... I am aware that there are local variants/models of the ES-15......

[Alwyn]

Aussie ES-15 has AV4 S-Video In on the back.

[Sharc]

Aussie ES-15 has AV4 S-Video In on the back.

ok, thanks.

[The_Doman]

I am trying to use the TBC of the Panasonic es-15 and on my laptop I get the playback video, via the capture card but the video has a black line across it and barely any colour.

It not has a black line but the whole picture is not correctly synced/shifted vertically and shows weird coloured stripes.
Often this is caused by incompatible video signals.
Are you sure everything is set to PAL and not something like MESECAM?
I see some similar effects when feeding a PAL60 signal in to my Panasonic PAL DMR-ES10 which it can not handle correctly.
The VCR is probably a Dutch PAL model because it shows the old predefined RF tuner cable program channel NED1 (Nederland 1).

I have remote controls for both the JVC and Panasonic, when I access the menus from both the DVD or VCR the screen on my monitor via the video capture card is perfect, its only the black line scenrio when I try to play back a recording.

Does the OSD menu from the es-15 and especially the JVC show in full colour?
Because the JVC VCR should show a blue background on the settings menu and when there is no video tape or RF tuner signal.
So for a start it should look like this when you are not playing a tape on the JVC VCR:

JVC HR-S6850(EU) Menu

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JVC HRS-S6700(EU) tuner program channel 1 passthrough DMR-ES10

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There is a switch on the back of the VCR, not too sure what this does, I have tried it in both positions to no avail. see attached

See also this topic for more screenshots and some notes about the Composite-S-Video selection for AV1 Out on different JVC models.
S-Video checkerboard pattern

[shovels]

Hi, thanks everyone for your comments and help.
I purchased the JVC from holland via ebay. and the es-15 from usa via ebay. 120v, I use a power transformer to give me 240v. so me thinks this is a PAL /NTSC conflict? but I dont know how to adjust the es-15 to PAL.

there are no scart ports on the back of the es-15.

yes the OSD menu from the es-15 shows full colour, no black stripe, and solid blue background.

es-15 is model DMR-ES15, serial no: VN6IK006779 R September 2006. AC- 120V 19W 60Hz.

es-15 has s-video IN and s-video OUT ports it has no scart ports.

yes, the black line and poor video is with all tapes if I pass thru the es-15.

no, it does not show with the VCR connected directly to the elgato.

i still have the same black line problem if I use the composite (yellow) cable.

I also get the same black line problem on a different pc, and / or another elgato (i have two elgato video capture cards).

I cant play a dvd in the es-15 because it is region 1 and i dont have region one dvd's

attached are 3 photos, the first is fine but not passing thru the es-15. the second and third photos are passing thru the es-15 using a s-video cable and a yellow composite cable. both have no colour and a black line.

[Alwyn]

Hmm...

On the version of the ES15 I have, you can change the TV system (PAL or NTSC) as follows:

Functions button>To Others>Setup

Connection>TV System, then set PAL.

The American version, I believe, has a setting for the black levels. I don't know anything about settings those, or whether they are relevant when using the unit in PAL mode.

[Sharc]

... so me thinks this is a PAL /NTSC conflict? but I dont know how to adjust the es-15 to PAL.

Definitely.
I don't know if your NTSC model can be switched to PAL at all.

Can you access the ES15 setup menu by pressing the "FUNCTIONS" key on the remote? See Alwyn's post above.
To see the OSD menu you might have to switch the Elgato to NTSC, then switch the ES15 to PAL mode, then reset the Elgato to PAL ....

The European ES15 models can be toggled between PAL and NTSC by pressing the Open/Close and the Stop button on the main unit simultaneously for about 5 seconds. Don't know if this works for US/NTSC version though......

Edit: Reading various ES15xy manuals/specifications I am afraid that you are just out of luck with your US/NTSC model

Edit2: Any good reason why you want to take the ES15 passthrough route at all? As you have a JVC HR-S8600EU with TBC you should get away without the ES15 - unless your tape is in poor condition. Just set the TBC of your VCR to ON and be done with it.

[rgr]

NTSC:
JVC ...EU outputs NTSC as PAL60.
DMR ES15 has NTSC 3.58.

It won't work together.

You need JVC ....MS.

PAL:
ES15 US version doesn't have PAL (NTSC 3.58 only).

[The_Doman]

Hi, thanks everyone for your comments and help.
yes the OSD menu from the es-15 shows full colour, no black stripe, and solid blue background.

I am still puzzled?
Do you mean the OSD menu of the ES15 or the OSD menu/blue screen of the JVC HR-S8600EU?
Because the JVC HR-S8600EU will output PAL for the menu settings and tuner/play mute screen.

HRS-S6700EU (PAL) MENU Settings -> DMR-ES10 (PAL) -> Dazzle DVC100

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HRS-S6700EU (PAL) Tuner mute -> DMR-ES10 (PAL) -> Dazzle DVC100

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But as mentioned already, it won't help/change anything because the US/NTSC model is locked to NTSC only as with almost all US/NTSC devices.