Cannot blank ONLY the main movie in BDRB... Very frustrating!

[Lathe]

Basically that... I would have posted on JDobbs forum at Doom9, but for some reason I cannot reach the site at all.

Okay, I've been using BDRB thousands of times, and I absolutely HATE it when I come across a full Blu-ray where if I try to blank just the movie (in order to create just an Xtras disc with menus) it blanks ALL the files and all the Xtras, most frustrating!

Is there ANY way to 'Tell' BDRB just to blank the movie file and create a disc with menus and Xtras only? I don't really want to use other programs with their learning curves... But, I would frigg'n LOVE to figure this out WHY once in a while a Blu-ray will NOT allow me just to blank the movie file.

Usually, about my only choice is to use a super fast encoding speed and just do the whole disc, but that seems a tad wasteful.

I REALLY appreciate any help on this!

Thank you!

Jamie.

[mazinz]

You absolutely can do this. I've done this many times with the program for when i did not want to use a BD50. I am not by my desktop but can check later. I am certain to enable title blanking I had to enable an option in the hidden settings or it was choosing "edit mode" which then offered the option.

Likewise you could also use a short few second dummy clip (as long as its in blu spec) with Tsmuxer and BDinfo to do the same

[mazinz]

Ok. I am going to assume you know about BDRB's hidden options. If you are not aware, the program will allow you to do a number of things not in the normal interface gui.

Go to wherever you have the folder for the program. Go into the program's folder. You will see a file BDREBUILDER.ini and another hiddenops.txt.

For what you need, double click the ini (its just a text file really) and windows notepad should open it up and you will see something that looks like the following below

[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



We are going to add two new commands to enable title blanking. These are

ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1


AND I will assume you DO NOT want to have the program re-encode anything. If so, it will still demultiplex and remux the items but it will not encode them. This command which is in the hiddenops text is as follows


FORCE_NOENCODE=1


Add all three of these commands under the MODE=0 option. then save the ini file. It will look like this:


[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



The blanking was always experimental and this is why its not even listed in the hidden options

Open the program, load your film. Under mode make sure full disc is checked and now if you look further down in the mode section you will see a new option called

"Edit mode (manual blanking)"

Make sure you click on this option so its also selected along with full disc backup

Now you can click on any title in the window and blank title will be an option (right click on the title). Double check everything because the program will sometimes disable streams and such you want to keep. So if it has a red X on any audio or sub you still want, just double click it to enable it again

If you for whatever reason you still want it encode everything then just remove the
FORCE_NOENCODE=1 from the ini file or change it to FORCE_NOENCODE=0 instead

Hope this helps

[Lathe]

Ok. I am going to assume you know about BDRB's hidden options. If you are not aware, the program will allow you to do a number of things not in the normal interface gui.

Go to wherever you have the folder for the program. Go into the program's folder. You will see a file BDREBUILDER.ini and another hiddenops.txt.

For what you need, double click the ini (its just a text file really) and windows notepad should open it up and you will see something that looks like the following below

[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



We are going to add two new commands to enable title blanking. These are

ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1


AND I will assume you DO NOT want to have the program re-encode anything. If so, it will still demultiplex and remux the items but it will not encode them. This command which is in the hiddenops text is as follows


FORCE_NOENCODE=1


Add all three of these commands under the MODE=0 option. then save the ini file. It will look like this:


[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



The blanking was always experimental and this is why its not even listed in the hidden options

Open the program, load your film. Under mode make sure full disc is checked and now if you look further down in the mode section you will see a new option called

"Edit mode (manual blanking)"

Make sure you click on this option so its also selected along with full disc backup

Now you can click on any title in the window and blank title will be an option (right click on the title). Double check everything because the program will sometimes disable streams and such you want to keep. So if it has a red X on any audio or sub you still want, just double click it to enable it again

If you for whatever reason you still want it encode everything then just remove the
FORCE_NOENCODE=1 from the ini file or change it to FORCE_NOENCODE=0 instead

Hope this helps

Oh man... that was SO damn nice of you to go to all that trouble Bro to show me how to do this, I REALLY appreciate you taking the time to do this, thanks!

BUT... my friend... I'm sorry to say that I already know all this and when I want to create an Xtras only disc with menus, I ALWAYS choose the 'Edit/Blankin' function. BUT... again, what is happening that DESPITE doing this there are times where the playlist or whatever in BDRB will NOT allow me just to blank the main movie file, but blanks ALL files including all the Xtras. This only happens sometimes, but JD answered me when I finally brought up the thread there that sometimes the ones who make the Blu-rays deliberately play around and screw with the playlists as an 'Anti-Pirate' measure...

So, normally what I do in these occasional cases is simply reencode the entire disc at high speed, but with this movie I couldn't even do that. So, I ended up with my usual alternate option of simply importing the Xtras files and allowing BDRB to create a Quick menu. That's fine, really, it's just kinda nice to be able to have the full animated menus of the original Blu-ray if possible, but ultimately no biggie.

Hey, thanks again for taking the time to do this!

Cheers!

Jamie.

[mazinz]

Ok. I am going to assume you know about BDRB's hidden options. If you are not aware, the program will allow you to do a number of things not in the normal interface gui.

Go to wherever you have the folder for the program. Go into the program's folder. You will see a file BDREBUILDER.ini and another hiddenops.txt.

For what you need, double click the ini (its just a text file really) and windows notepad should open it up and you will see something that looks like the following below

[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



We are going to add two new commands to enable title blanking. These are

ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1


AND I will assume you DO NOT want to have the program re-encode anything. If so, it will still demultiplex and remux the items but it will not encode them. This command which is in the hiddenops text is as follows


FORCE_NOENCODE=1


Add all three of these commands under the MODE=0 option. then save the ini file. It will look like this:


[Options]
VERSION=0.62.0.16
ENCODER=0
MODE=0
ENABLE_TEST=1
ENABLE_BLANKING=1
FORCE_NOENCODE=1
ENCODE_QUALITY=2
ONEPASS_ENCODING=0
AUTO_QUALITY=1
QUICK_EXTRAS=0



The blanking was always experimental and this is why its not even listed in the hidden options

Open the program, load your film. Under mode make sure full disc is checked and now if you look further down in the mode section you will see a new option called

"Edit mode (manual blanking)"

Make sure you click on this option so its also selected along with full disc backup

Now you can click on any title in the window and blank title will be an option (right click on the title). Double check everything because the program will sometimes disable streams and such you want to keep. So if it has a red X on any audio or sub you still want, just double click it to enable it again

If you for whatever reason you still want it encode everything then just remove the
FORCE_NOENCODE=1 from the ini file or change it to FORCE_NOENCODE=0 instead

Hope this helps

Oh man... that was SO damn nice of you to go to all that trouble Bro to show me how to do this, I REALLY appreciate you taking the time to do this, thanks!

BUT... my friend... I'm sorry to say that I already know all this and when I want to create an Xtras only disc with menus, I ALWAYS choose the 'Edit/Blankin' function. BUT... again, what is happening that DESPITE doing this there are times where the playlist or whatever in BDRB will NOT allow me just to blank the main movie file, but blanks ALL files including all the Xtras. This only happens sometimes, but JD answered me when I finally brought up the thread there that sometimes the ones who make the Blu-rays deliberately play around and screw with the playlists as an 'Anti-Pirate' measure...

So, normally what I do in these occasional cases is simply reencode the entire disc at high speed, but with this movie I couldn't even do that. So, I ended up with my usual alternate option of simply importing the Xtras files and allowing BDRB to create a Quick menu. That's fine, really, it's just kinda nice to be able to have the full animated menus of the original Blu-ray if possible, but ultimately no biggie.

Hey, thanks again for taking the time to do this!

Cheers!

Jamie.

No problem since the info may help someone else, but the method you are doing is still sort of backwards. To keep it very simple--- If you used the bdinfo and tsmuxer method you can just change the film playlist pointer and
have it point to another title on the disc (like the company logo). Doing this would then allow you to delete the film mt2s file from the stream folder. Now you have your full extras disc with original menus, no encode, done in less than 6 mins. You could also hex edit the playlist file as well. Few ways of doing this

[Lathe]

No problem since the info may help someone else, but the method you are doing is still sort of backwards. To keep it very simple--- If you used the bdinfo and tsmuxer method you can just change the film playlist pointer and
have it point to another title on the disc (like the company logo). Doing this would then allow you to delete the film mt2s file from the stream folder. Now you have your full extras disc with original menus, no encode, done in less than 6 mins. You could also hex edit the playlist file as well. Few ways of doing this

Ah, now THAT is more like something that will help! I use TSMuxer constantly, but I've not used BDinfo. So, could you please tell me the steps I need to do to 'Change the Playlist Pointer' to another file! THAT is Exactly what I need please! Then, I would ASSume that after doing that, I can then use BDRB normally to create a disc with all Xtras and menus. THAT is the specific 'Key' that I need to do this!

[mazinz]

No problem since the info may help someone else, but the method you are doing is still sort of backwards. To keep it very simple--- If you used the bdinfo and tsmuxer method you can just change the film playlist pointer and
have it point to another title on the disc (like the company logo). Doing this would then allow you to delete the film mt2s file from the stream folder. Now you have your full extras disc with original menus, no encode, done in less than 6 mins. You could also hex edit the playlist file as well. Few ways of doing this

Ah, now THAT is more like something that will help! I use TSMuxer constantly, but I've not used BDinfo. So, could you please tell me the steps I need to do to 'Change the Playlist Pointer' to another file! THAT is Exactly what I need please! Then, I would ASSume that after doing that, I can then use BDRB normally to create a disc with all Xtras and menus. THAT is the specific 'Key' that I need to do this!

I am going to include a short 2-3 second black screen dummy clip. Doing this method you wont need to use bdrb since anything you want to blank we can use the dummy clip for instead. Still same principal of changing the pointer. Bit busy but possibly by Wednesday can have the "how to" up.

[Lathe]

No problem since the info may help someone else, but the method you are doing is still sort of backwards. To keep it very simple--- If you used the bdinfo and tsmuxer method you can just change the film playlist pointer and
have it point to another title on the disc (like the company logo). Doing this would then allow you to delete the film mt2s file from the stream folder. Now you have your full extras disc with original menus, no encode, done in less than 6 mins. You could also hex edit the playlist file as well. Few ways of doing this

Ah, now THAT is more like something that will help! I use TSMuxer constantly, but I've not used BDinfo. So, could you please tell me the steps I need to do to 'Change the Playlist Pointer' to another file! THAT is Exactly what I need please! Then, I would ASSume that after doing that, I can then use BDRB normally to create a disc with all Xtras and menus. THAT is the specific 'Key' that I need to do this!

I am going to include a short 2-3 second black screen dummy clip. Doing this method you wont need to use bdrb since anything you want to blank we can use the dummy clip for instead. Still same principal of changing the pointer. Bit busy but possibly by Wednesday can have the "how to" up.

Thank you most kindly Sir! :

[mazinz]

FIRST this guide is more so if your disc was like a normal blu-ray--extras and just the main film. Not seamless branching or something along those lines.

I also attached a 3 second Blu-ray black screen dummy clip to this post


Open up BDinfo and either click on iso file or the browse option on the top right side and have it point to your iso file or bluray folder. It will then do a few second scan of said item

You will see three box sections. Top shows playlist info, middle shows what m2ts stream it points to and the bottom is overall specs for said stream. In the playlist box you will see a column called "length". Clicking on that column will sort the titles by running time (makes it easier to find what you need)

Now just take note of what playlist file corresponds to what m2ts file you want to blank (if the running time doesn't help, disc depending, you can always double click and play whatever file in your blu-ray stream folder using whatever media player you have to get the correct title that way).

So in my example pictured below (and if I were to blank the main film) we see that
playlist 00000.mpls points to 00000.m2ts stream. Write or jot down this info somewhere


[Attachment 92667 - Click to enlarge]

Also keep in mind it doesn't always work this way. It could have said 00000.mpls points to 00006.m2ts, etc

NOW I am aware you might show 2 playlist files both showing the main film (so in bdinfo it would have two lines with both showing the main film), because you had mentioned what BDRB was doing (not seeing the correct playlist and reading the copy protection list instead)

Still do the same, take down the playlist info along with the stream it points to (both will prob point to the same m2ts file)


you are now done with BDinfo


Open up TSmuxer. Click on add file and browse to your blu-ray folder (if its an iso file, you will have to extract it). Once in your blu-ray folder go into the BDMV folder and then into the playlist folder. Select the playlist you had written down (don't worry if it was two, we will check both in a minute)

You will now see your inputted clip in the top box and the full film assets in the track section below it

Next- click on the blu-ray tab in TSmuxer and see if it has chapters listed for your film (at least more than one). If so, keep a mental note or write it down. Now go back to the main input tab in Tsmuxer, Right click on the items in input assets box and on the right choose "remove".

Now the input box should be empty (as if you restarted the program)

IF YOUR DISC had two playlist files for the main movie, now do the same but for the other playlist number that you got from BDinfo. Same deal as before, check the blu-ray tab. If it has only 1 chapter or no chapters listed for your film, that playlist number is the fake playlist. Its a helpful way to figure out which playlist you need to deal with and which you do not

***** If you had two playlists for the same film and both had chapters and you are not sure which was the protection list, just do the dummy blanking method (below) for each playlist.
Keep in mind this is also if your disc is just a normal film and not a mix of something that was rated/unrated or seamless branched

Now you know which playlist is real and which is fake

Clear the input files in Tsmuxer. Now click add and load the dummy clip I made for you. My dummy clip has no audio (and this is ok).

On the bottom of the input tab section, make sure "blu-ray folder" is selected as the output option

Now click on the blu-ray tab in Tsmuxer. On the sort of top right side you will see two boxes. You will see "first mpls". Type in the playlist number we got from your film earlier. The box right below it "first m2ts", type in the number you had for the film m2ts file it pointed to

So if your playlist was something like 01001.mpls and the file it pointed to was 00009 m2ts, you would type 01001 in the mpls box and 00009 (or just 9) in the m2ts box

Now go back to the main input tab in Tsmuxer and hit "start muxing"

We now made a bluray with our dummy file

Go into our newly made folder and go into the stream folder. You will see our dummy clip with the same stream number that the blu-ray film has. Copy/cut this new stream file and paste/overwrite (or delete it ahead of time) the same file in your original bluray folder

Next go back into our new folder and go into the playlist folder. You will see our new playlist file. Same as above-- copy/cut and go into the original blu-ray playlist folder and overwrite the same file with our new one

Finally, go into our new folder and go into the folder called "clipinf". Same as above, take this new file and overwrite the older one in the original bluray folder

Thats it! Enjoy your original blu-ray with the main film blanked (technically just replaced with a much smaller clip)

If you did end up having to do this twice for two playlists, you do not have to overwrite the stream again, as both playlists will point to the same stream number

If you made a mistake (say you typed in a wrong number for our dummy clip playlist), in your original bluray folder (in the BDMV folder) you will find a folder called backup where the entire original disc files (aside from the stream folder) can be found. So you could copy/paste them and try again


This is the same type of method used when people want to add or remove say an audio or subtitle to an already authored disc. They load the film playlist and then in Tsmuxer just add the extra assets and mux making sure playlist and mt2s numbers are correct
There is a lot you can do toying around with this stuff

[Lathe]

FIRST this guide is more so if your disc was like a normal blu-ray--extras and just the main film. Not seamless branching or something along those lines.

I also attached a 3 second Blu-ray black screen dummy clip to this post


Open up BDinfo and either click on iso file or the browse option on the top right side and have it point to your iso file or bluray folder. It will then do a few second scan of said item

You will see three box sections. Top shows playlist info, middle shows what m2ts stream it points to and the bottom is overall specs for said stream. In the playlist box you will see a column called "length". Clicking on that column will sort the titles by running time (makes it easier to find what you need)

Now just take note of what playlist file corresponds to what m2ts file you want to blank (if the running time doesn't help, disc depending, you can always double click and play whatever file in your blu-ray stream folder using whatever media player you have to get the correct title that way).

So in my example pictured below (and if I were to blank the main film) we see that
playlist 00000.mpls points to 00000.m2ts stream. Write or jot down this info somewhere


[Attachment 92667 - Click to enlarge]

Also keep in mind it doesn't always work this way. It could have said 00000.mpls points to 00006.m2ts, etc

NOW I am aware you might show 2 playlist files both showing the main film (so in bdinfo it would have two lines with both showing the main film), because you had mentioned what BDRB was doing (not seeing the correct playlist and reading the copy protection list instead)

Still do the same, take down the playlist info along with the stream it points to (both will prob point to the same m2ts file)


you are now done with BDinfo


Open up TSmuxer. Click on add file and browse to your blu-ray folder (if its an iso file, you will have to extract it). Once in your blu-ray folder go into the BDMV folder and then into the playlist folder. Select the playlist you had written down (don't worry if it was two, we will check both in a minute)

You will now see your inputted clip in the top box and the full film assets in the track section below it

Next- click on the blu-ray tab in TSmuxer and see if it has chapters listed for your film (at least more than one). If so, keep a mental note or write it down. Now go back to the main input tab in Tsmuxer, Right click on the items in input assets box and on the right choose "remove".

Now the input box should be empty (as if you restarted the program)

IF YOUR DISC had two playlist files for the main movie, now do the same but for the other playlist number that you got from BDinfo. Same deal as before, check the blu-ray tab. If it has only 1 chapter or no chapters listed for your film, that playlist number is the fake playlist. Its a helpful way to figure out which playlist you need to deal with and which you do not

***** If you had two playlists for the same film and both had chapters and you are not sure which was the protection list, just do the dummy blanking method (below) for each playlist.
Keep in mind this is also if your disc is just a normal film and not a mix of something that was rated/unrated or seamless branched

Now you know which playlist is real and which is fake

Clear the input files in Tsmuxer. Now click add and load the dummy clip I made for you. My dummy clip has no audio (and this is ok).

On the bottom of the input tab section, make sure "blu-ray folder" is selected as the output option

Now click on the blu-ray tab in Tsmuxer. On the sort of top right side you will see two boxes. You will see "first mpls". Type in the playlist number we got from your film earlier. The box right below it "first m2ts", type in the number you had for the film m2ts file it pointed to

So if your playlist was something like 01001.mpls and the file it pointed to was 00009 m2ts, you would type 01001 in the mpls box and 00009 (or just 9) in the m2ts box

Now go back to the main input tab in Tsmuxer and hit "start muxing"

We now made a bluray with our dummy file

Go into our newly made folder and go into the stream folder. You will see our dummy clip with the same stream number that the blu-ray film has. Copy/cut this new stream file and paste/overwrite (or delete it ahead of time) the same file in your original bluray folder

Next go back into our new folder and go into the playlist folder. You will see our new playlist file. Same as above-- copy/cut and go into the original blu-ray playlist folder and overwrite the same file with our new one

Finally, go into our new folder and go into the folder called "clipinf". Same as above, take this new file and overwrite the older one in the original bluray folder

Thats it! Enjoy your original blu-ray with the main film blanked (technically just replaced with a much smaller clip)

If you did end up having to do this twice for two playlists, you do not have to overwrite the stream again, as both playlists will point to the same stream number

If you made a mistake (say you typed in a wrong number for our dummy clip playlist), in your original bluray folder (in the BDMV folder) you will find a folder called backup where the entire original disc files (aside from the stream folder) can be found. So you could copy/paste them and try again


This is the same type of method used when people want to add or remove say an audio or subtitle to an already authored disc. They load the film playlist and then in Tsmuxer just add the extra assets and mux making sure playlist and mt2s numbers are correct
There is a lot you can do toying around with this stuff

HOLY SMOKES MAN! Wow... thanks so much for going to all this trouble, I REALLY appreciate it Bro!

Okay... I grasp the basic idea. I will hafta pour over this and make sure I understand it. I've never used TSMuxer in that way, so I'll figure out what to do once I import the Blu-ray.

Thanks again, I will go over this carefully!

Cheers!

Jamie.