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[CaptureCraft]

8bit HUFFYUV 4:2:2 YUV captures give about 30GB per hour and return about everything one can squeeze out of a VHS/S-VHS source, IMO (assuming correct levels settings).
More is usually just overkill.

Well, first, I stopped using that old software long time ago and switched to x264. It has many advantages over HUFFYUV.
Second, if you're talking about 10-bit, it is not about getting more, it is about getting it better. Meaning, your digital copy is closer to its analog source.

[CaptureCraft]

But don't get me wrong, I was starting from the bottom
I started with EZc(r)ap, then I had IO Data GV-USB2 for a long time and only then I decided to try 10-bit realm.

In fact you started from the top with the GV-USB2 and not with the Blackmagic cards.

I don't see any problem with my statements. I was just telling how my capture experience started.

A recent comparison of Blackmagic Intensity Pro versus USB-Live, which is similar to GV-USB2 (just as example, there are many others here and on digitalfaq and doom9 forums): https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/410062-Which-capture-of-my-old-VHS-looks-the-best#post2694196

Nah. I'm done with all these youtube videos. There is either something I know or something I don't care about or just BS.

On a slightly side note - component connection is the best! And not just for quality, but also for giving extra not blanked lines on the top and the bottom of the frame.

The signal recorded on tape is Y/C, and as such is propagated without (almost) manipulation to the S-Video output in the high-end players, so component connection performing better quality is another fake of yours.

You have to understand, chroma is not a single entity, similar to luma. It is 2 signals. To manipulate with either of these signals, you first have to detect it, then process it and then mix it back in. So, every time you do that there is a chance of distortion.
It means if you use component connection on some step you avoid that additional mixing and separation steps.
For example, Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro 4K gives so horrible moire when using composite/S-video connection, so it is absolutely unusable to me.
However, components connection worked just fine (well, relatively).
Again, apparently you didn't do much of experiments (I mean none) with components connection vs S-video vs composite, so you just call it fake as you have absolutely no real arguments.

[dellsam34]

You told "Capturing into a compressed format is so 90's", so I gave you calculation for uncompressed size.
Now you're back to compressed sizes.
So, please make up your mind. Are you talking about compressed or uncompressed sizes?
Also, do you really think the 10-bit capture affects chroma only?

Nope, Lossless compression and lossy compression are two things, one mistake I like to correct is that the figures I gave are for lossless uncompressed not lossless compressed, Sharc has the right figures for lossless compressed files.

[lollo]

You have to understand ...

The one who does not understand and is completeluy ignorant on the subject is obviously you.

Again, apparently you didn't do much of experiments (I mean none) with components connection vs S-video vs composite, so you just call it fake as you have absolutely no real arguments.

Complete bullshit, as all of your statements. Still waiting your evidences of 10-bit capture versus 8-bit capture. And now also of a Y/C capture versus a component capture (with the appropriate cards, of course). Charlatan!

[dellsam34]

You have to understand, chroma is not a single entity, similar to luma. It is 2 signals. To manipulate with either of these signals, you first have to detect it, then process it and then mix it back in. So, every time you do that there is a chance of distortion.

This is why we don't process in analog by converting Y-C into YPbPr, We capture the raw Y-C and all processing is done into YUV in digital, much much less losses. Unless your capture card accepts only component YPbPr it is never recommended to convert to component, You can to learn by asking questions you don't have to be arguing with members.

[CaptureCraft]

You told "Capturing into a compressed format is so 90's", so I gave you calculation for uncompressed size.
Now you're back to compressed sizes.
So, please make up your mind. Are you talking about compressed or uncompressed sizes?
Also, do you really think the 10-bit capture affects chroma only?

Nope, Lossless compression and lossy compression are two things, one mistake I like to correct is that the figures I gave are for lossless uncompressed not lossless compressed, Sharc has the right figures for lossless compressed files.

Then how did you get these numbers?
I asked google to calculate.

[CaptureCraft]

You have to understand ...

The one who does not understand and is completeluy ignorant on the subject is obviously you.

Again, apparently you didn't do much of experiments (I mean none) with components connection vs S-video vs composite, so you just call it fake as you have absolutely no real arguments.

Complete bullshit, as all of your statements. Still waiting your evidences of 10-bit capture versus 8-bit capture. And now also of a Y/C capture versus a component capture (with the appropriate cards, of course). Charlatan!

Serious argument. Yes!

[CaptureCraft]

You have to understand, chroma is not a single entity, similar to luma. It is 2 signals. To manipulate with either of these signals, you first have to detect it, then process it and then mix it back in. So, every time you do that there is a chance of distortion.

This is why we don't process in analog by converting Y-C into YPbPr, We capture the raw Y-C and all processing is done into YUV in digital, much much less losses. Unless your capture card accepts only component YPbPr it is never recommended to convert to component, You can to learn by asking questions you don't have to be arguing with members.

And how exactly do you think your Y-C becomes digital YUV? Without separation colour-difference signals?
Seriously?
Do you want a question? Here is one.
How do you think ADC works? In simple terms.

And another one.
What do you think YUV means? What is actually behind it?

[CaptureCraft]

[Attachment 89796 - Click to enlarge]
As requested, here is the composite image of 2 snapshots taken using Magewell Pro Capture HDMI card.
The left half shows a capture which was using component connection, the right side was using S-Video connection.
Please note the right half was aligned to the left for easier visual comparison. In reality the right half is a little bit higher (see orange line) and a little bit to the left.

[lollo]

How do you think ADC works? In simple terms.

In simple terms, because is evident that you never designed an ADC:
- Y/C are on two separate channels
- generally we lowpass the signal to remove high freq noise and amplify to match ADC input range
- a multiplexed ADC (but you can use 2 ADCs) digitize Y (at 13.5MHz/XX.XMHz as per BT601 spec) and C separately (6.XXMHz, subsampled for 4:2:2 colorspace in serious workflow)
- in C, U and V are modulated together, a demodulater take care of that
- you get then Y and U+V, to format into YUV422

My last post on this topic, you can continue your farnetications alone!

edit:

As requested, here is the composite image of 2 snapshots taken using Magewell Pro Capture HDMI card.
The left half shows a capture which was using component connection, the right side was using S-Video connection.

What is that bullshit?
- Take a VHS tape
- use a high end S-VHS player with Y/C output
- capture it 4:2:2 lossless
- now use whatever palyer can generate a component signal from the same tape
- capture it
the we can compare!

But as I wrote, I am out of this discussion

[dellsam34]

Then how did you get these numbers?
I asked google to calculate.

Google? Hilarious, I get the numbers by capturing.

[Sharc]

- now use whatever palyer can generate a component signal from the same tape
- capture it
the we can compare!

Using different players for S-Video or Component is doubtful IMO as you will likely compare the 2 players rather than S-Video vs Component.
(For example, JVC VCRs usually output a softer picture than Panasonics for the same tape, even with all internal filters disabled on the JVC).

[lollo]

- now use whatever palyer can generate a component signal from the same tape
- capture it
the we can compare!

Using different players for S-Video or Component is doubtful IMO as you will likely compare the 2 players rather than S-Video vs Component.
(For example, JVC VCRs usually output a softer picture than Panasonics for the same tape, even with all internal filters disabled on the JVC).

Yes Sharc. It was just a challenge for his (probably wrong) approach, because we (we!) know that high end S-VHS with Y/C and component outputs are ... (place here whatever you wish)

[CaptureCraft]

Then how did you get these numbers?
I asked google to calculate.

Google? Hilarious, I get the numbers by capturing.

After reviewing my request to google I found an error.
The correct size for uncompressed 10-bit 3 hours video is about 450GB.