Video To Video editing question

[RockerAce]

Forget it!

[Cornucopia]

Back up and use a GOOD editor (especially NOT WMM). You DON'T want to be re-encoding lossy (which you are doing when outputting from WMM), and you don't want to output to Long GOP (which you are doing when outputting WMV from WMM).

Try AVIDemux. Personally, I cannot recommend V2V, but it may be acceptable to your needs AFA conversion, but I would NOT recommend it as an editor. Note also, there are what I would consider to be much better converters out there (including free ones).

Actually, it makes much more sense for you to give us a full detailed breakdown of:
1. How you transferred the footage from LD.
2. What format (incl. container + codecs + settings + bitrate) it was saved in. Use of MediaInfo (detailed/advanced text readout) is highly recommended here.
3. What app you used (and if you attempted to do any deinterlacing).

That will determine what is best to be done with it next (and by which app).

Getting it to MP4/AVC @ 29fps with 5Mbps bitrate isn't a big deal - doing it with optimal quality IS.

Scott

[RockerAce]

I give up

[RockerAce]

Is Roxio any good?

[johns0]

Nope.

[Mr.Delusional]

@B-movie (your profile link) If you're serious about running your Roku channel. You really should try Videoredo. (a choice you will never regret) Especially if most of your captures are from vhs or laserdisc .By looking at your work flow. At the end point your giving your viewers an experience of many re-encodes. Cornucopia really can help you with your work flow. (along with many other experts), about what your "final' product should be. I have no clue about broadcast and what's used or expected.

But from your posts I believe most captures are dealing with editing in the mpeg 2 domain. I know you may be thinking, Well they are "just B-movies" Well, movies are movies. Whether they are award winning movies or just below average "gore fest". Still they are movies.

[Cornucopia]

AFA workflow, my suggestion:
1. Capture VHS->DVD.
2. Rip DVD to MPEG2 on HDD.
3. Edit MPEG2 with smartrendering MPEG2 editor app (back to MPEG2).
4. Convert to final distrib. copies. (if DVD target, keep as is. if YT target, keep as is and let YT reencode. if personal playback target, keep as is and use player/device that accepts MPEG2. all else, probably encode to MP4/AVC at appropriate bitrate)

That workflow uses only 1 or perhaps 2 generations (except areas where transitions/processing done, then +1 generation). All of your current titles seem to be 4 (non-optimized) generations, maybe more. For already fragile highly-compressed video, that's a LOT of unnecessary re-conversion.

Scott

[RockerAce]

I give up

[newpball]

I am using Video to Video to edit my video. Here is my scenario and my question.

I am editing Laserdiscs. I use wmm to edit end and start of movies. Then I use Video To Video to edit the "flip" out.

Question is this. I am using the commercial remover. I cannot seem to get a clean edit. By that i mean there is always a black spot for 2 secs maybe. Am I converting to wrong format? When I put it in Video To Video it is a WMV. So I would like to edit it and maintain the quality and get a smooth transition where i edited. Would be great if in the end it was a MP4 with 5000 bitrate and 29 fps. I have tried MP4, MP4/x264, WMV, Direct, and DVD(ntsc). Should nbe doing something else?

Should you be doing something else?

I suggest you do it the 21st century way: capture the laserdisk video lossless, edit it in a good NLE and then render it to any delivery codec you like.

Simple and with the best possible quality!

[hello_hello]

For what you're doing it sounds like you could simply use MeGUI, although it might have bit of a learning curve.

You'd capture the video in DVD format (lossless would be a little better if you have a capture card for the PC).

Copy that to your hard drive.

Open the DVD video with MeGUI, index it, extract the audio, then use MeGUI's Avisynth script creator to create a script that you'd use for encoding. It's not as hard as it sounds. You'd use the File/Open menu and pretty much follow the prompts.

Once the script to be used for encoding is saved you'd open it with MeGUI's AVS cutter (under the Tools menu). It provides a preview (similar to what you're using with Video To Video Converter now) for you to set start and end points for encoding. You can set multiple start/end points on a frame accurate basis. Effectively once the cuts are saved, you'll be encoding just the frames you want, and in a way editing as you re-encode. The AVS cutter can save a "cuts" file MeGUI can use to cut and re-join the audio to match (using the audio cutter under the tools menu), or it can be loaded into the audio section so the audio will be re-encoded to match the video.

When all that's done you encode the script in the usual way. No real Avisynth knowledge is required. MeGUI takes care of the scripts. You just need to get to know MeGUI itself and as I said, that may involve a bit of a learning curve, but it's worth it.

That's how I'd do it if I was going to be re-encoding anyway.

Alternatively, Handbrake lets you set start and end points for encoding. You could open the video, set the start and end points for encoding the first section, encode it, repeat..... and then hopefully append the encoded sections together later with MP4Box (assuming you used the same encoder settings each time), or even better, with MKVMergeGUI, because MKV sucks less than MP4 and MKVMergeGUI is pretty easy to use.

Something else you could try........ If you remux the captured video as MKV with MakeMKV, you could use MKVMergeGUI to split it and cut out the unwanted bits, them join it all back together again before encoding. It's not really designed for editing in that there's no preview but it's quite capable of splitting and joining.

Personally..... I'd go the MeGUI route.

[LMotlow]

Cornucopia, what is HDD?

HDD = Hard Drive Device -- that means "hard drive" to most of the world.
ODD = Optical Drive Device -- a hardware device that works with optical discs (CD, DVD, BD, etc).
FDD = Floppy Drive Device. If you've never seen one, don't worry about it.

Oh and for the channel I need a copy that is MP4 with at least 5000 video bitrate.

Expect digital artifacts and quality loss from re-encoding lossy MPEG. Isn't that what you wanted to avoid in the first place? Up to you.

[RockerAce]

dddddd

[RockerAce]

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[johns0]

Roku 3 plays mkv also but not xvid/divx codecs,need to be H.264.

[RockerAce]

I am wondering if I will have a problem putting a WMV file in videoredo? I guess I will find out. LOL

[RockerAce]

I give up

[Cornucopia]

You might want to consider http://rokoding.com for tips about what works & what doesn't with Roku. Cannot vouch for their processes, but at very quick glance it looked ok. Their suggested tools list is good.
From what they say, Roku accepts a number of formats: MKV, MP4, AVI, older WMV...
Clearly, though h.264 in MP4 or in MKV is the top choice.

Scott

[manono]

Lossy or not Roku channels only play MP4 video. So I have NO CHOICE in the matter.

Your process more-or-less ensures you'll wind up with the poorest possible quality. Maybe ease of creation and not quality is your only consideration.

If you want to make an MP4 to play on the Roku, yes you have to reencode, but that lossy reencode should be done once only and only as the final step. Nowhere should WMM and WMV figure into the process.

Based solely on what you've said in this thread I might have a look at your channel and then quickly delete it. There are enough crap channels on Roku that I don't need to look for more.

[RockerAce]

Nice.

[RockerAce]

I give up.

[RockerAce]

I give up

[Cornucopia]

You must have something blocking it or be using an incompatible browser or have malware. Works OK here, even on my phone.

Like I said before, if you maintain your current workflow, you are doing yourself and your audience a disservice- whether you/they realize it or not. Always strive for excellence, even on what you might consider "throwaway" projects.

Scott

[newpball]

Always strive for excellence...

I second that!

[RockerAce]

I give up! Why did I even ask you guys when I pretty much just get insulted. When do you guys actually help? I can go get insulted anywhere.

I will help all you guys out and just leave. Sorry to have bothered you and your excellence

[johns0]

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