TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5 - Editing .ts impossible

[vhwul62]

I am trying to use TMPGEnc VMW to edit TV-recordings (.ts-files).
The files are imported correctly.
All is fine.

However, the only way to move thru the frames is using the > arrow key on the keyboard.
When I use the slider to skip to position 10 or 20 minutes or so, VMW5 causes very very heavy discactivities.
My pc cannot be used, looking at the 'spinning circle' - usually somewhere between 2 and 3 minutes...

After a while VMW5 is finished, but then:
a) the keyboard arrow buttons (< >) : they donot respond
b) using the slider is causing the same issues as before.

Bottomline, the only solution is the close TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5.

Sofar I much regret but have not been able to do any .ts editing with VMW5.

The only workaround (with loss of quality):
convert the ts file to e.g. mp4 - using a 3rd party tool
then edit it in VMW5
and encode it to .mp4

But..
maybe TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5 is not the proper tool for this?
I mean, editing .ts files (removing excessing recordings before and after the actual program)

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[qz3fwd]

Have you tried VideoReDo? It is THE tool for editing HDTV recordings (ts & wtv) and better suited than TMPEGEnc Mastering Works.
Your other options are SolveigMM Video Splitter 4, and TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer 4 .
I have used VRD for years and it is excellent. I have started using SolveigMM Video Splitter 4 because it is avaliable in portable format, and have Smart Renderer, but have used it much less than the others. Try VRD, then Video Splitter, then Smart Renderer....

[nic2k4]

The biggest issue with .TS files is being able to read them, but you have that covered. Your problem is probably due to OTA recordings being rife with errors on stations with poor signal quality; TSDoctor is designed to deal with that.

Your alternative idea of converting to another format would work as well, the loss of quality may not be as dramatic as you think. I haven't used TVMW5 so I'm not sure if it can do lossless editing of MP4 files like TDA can with DVD files. If it can, converting to your final format first, then editing that wouldn't cause any more degradation than doing the job the other way around.

[LMotlow]

TVMW5 is not a smart-rendering editor. It is primarily an encoder with some editing features. Any change you make in any input source will be re-encoded 100% on output. TVMW5 is not advertised as a smart-rendering editor, and is not sold as one.

Just because your file has ".ts" on its ending doesn't mean it confirms to any specific standard. Most NLE's have problems with non-standard formats.

[vhwul62]

Thank you all!
Your advices are much appreciated, really.

I want to:
- convert BD (maybe edit/select main movie, i.e. no trailers of other movies)
- edit/convert DVD (VIDEO_TS - .vob files)
- edit/convert .ts (TV-recordings)

to high quality .mp4 or .mkv

also important: I want subtitles to be available and(!) preferably 'selectable'.
Meaning during playback it can be decided to select/not select a subtitle.

Last but not least, I am a newbie... and frankly speaking, I prefer not to make a 'deep study' of all the complex settings.
For a lot of folks on this forum, the settings are a 'piece of cake', whilst as for me me, I would not know what I might be doing when changing them. Please understand.

A tool/program should be userfriendly and guide me thru the steps and by default the settings should be okay and result in a good video.

Now, I have bought myself VMW v5 a month or so ago, being sure that this is indeed the product I needed to do it all.
It is indeed fairly userfriendly and I understood how it worked very quickly - when using default settings, that is.
Was happy with that...

Did look at VideoRedo, but wasn't sure about it to be honest. I merely looked at their website, didn't try the program though.
I assumed...(!) VMW5 would be a better solution when looking at the Pegasys website and looking what it all could do.
Also tried Powerdirector, but I felt it was too complex.
When trying VMW5 I immediately felt 'this is how it should work' ... but ... I did not try .ts files at the time.
My mistake, an expensive one.

As for VideoReDo, it would again be usd.95.
At the time I tried to find a kind of comparison review between VideoReDo and TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5 but couldn't find any, so not being sure what to do, I based myself on what the website was 'promising'.
Q: Can all the above be done with VRD ?

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer
When looking at the comparison table on http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/compare.html (expand all elements there), it seems that VMW5 'has it all'. Have made a recap at the bottom. Not sure whether Smart Renderer will improve performance on .ts files. Also think it cannot create a .mp4 / mkv file without editing the source first.
It is cheaper, so its features obviously are less.

Assume WMV5 can only be compared with VideoReDo H.264 Suite.

Thanks again.
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[LMotlow]

frankly speaking, I prefer not to make a 'deep study' of all the complex settings.

You likely won't need to make a "deep study" of every setting, but at this point it's obvious that you do need to know some basics about what you're doing. Your statements are pretty much all over the place and going in too many directions. For example:

I want to:
- convert BD (maybe edit/select main movie, i.e. no trailers of other movies)
- edit/convert DVD (VIDEO_TS - .vob files)
- edit/convert .ts (TV-recordings)

to high quality .mp4 or .mkv

I assume you at least realize that BD and DVD are not the same thing and have different file structures and encoding parameters. For all we know, your .ts files might already be BD or AVCHD compatible, but we can't be certain. A .ts file can be any one of several encoded formats. We don't know the details of your .ts source or how it was recorded. You can submit information about the .ts file using the free MediaInfo or MediaInfoXP utility. Copy the text of its report and paste it in a post.

You mention 4 different types of output: BD, DVD, mp4, and mkv. Neither mp4 nor mkv are valid for BD/AVCHD or DVD.

But..
maybe TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5 is not the proper tool for this?
I mean, editing .ts files (removing excessing recordings before and after the actual program)

If all you want to do is remove some frames, commercials, etc., then TVMW5 is not the proper tool. You want a smart rendering editor that re-encodes only the GOP's (group of frames) in the immediate area of the cuts, not the entire video. Depending on how your .ts file was recorded, a file with large GOP's containing many frames will be more difficult to cut and involves more re-encoding. We can't advise about those details, because we have no details about your .ts file.

Also tried Powerdirector, but I felt it was too complex.

Most experienced members here would consider Power Director to be junkware. And it's not the right tool for simply removing some frames from a video.

TMPGEnc MPEG Smart Renderer

TMSR is a smart rendering editor. It's the tool for making the kind of cuts and removals you mention. But it's not a converter or encoder for converting to different formats.

Without knowing more about your .ts recording, and without knowing exactly what you want for final output, there's not much room for specific advice. We don't know your country of residence, either (NTSC? PAL?).

[vhwul62]

I am sorry for causing so much confusion. Tried to explain myself, but too lengthy posts may cause confusion. Again, sorry.

The source files are
- actual BD
- actual DVD
- TV recordings (.ts)

MediaInfo of these .ts files:
Complete name : F:\Downloads\Somefancyfilename_0500.ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 2.50 GiB
Duration : 1h 1mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 5 775 Kbps

Video
ID : 3132 (0xC3C)
Menu ID : 1205 (0x4B5)
Format : MPEG Video
Codec ID : 2
Compression mode : Lossy
Encryption : Encrypted
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I want to be able to
1. edit above (BD/DVD/TS) : delete excessing recordings, commercials, or just be able to select a small scene and save that to .mp4 or .mkv
2. convert the entire DVD or BD to .mp4/.mkv

I just downloaded a trial of VideoRedo and did point 1 on .ts file. That went wonderful, very fast indeed. No delays, like in VMW5.
Could move back and forth and VideoRedo immediately responds. Splendid.

Don't know how to proceed on handling a DVD though. Their FAQ is not quite clear to me, so I asked VideoRedo support to give me hint on the first step. When reading a VIDEO_TS folder, VideoRedo enters in the a QuickStream Fix mode.

As for Smart Renderer, to convert the results I need another tool then?
http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/support/comparison_main3.html

Mind that VMW5 is doing a perfect job when handling VIDEO_TS (.vob) files

Maybe indeed I need to first convert to mp4 or mkv then after that in VMW5
Then again, the frames look weird... big gaps.



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[smrpix]

Since you're not combining the files, TMPGenc MPEG Smart Renderer should be the only tool you need.

[CubDukat]

What tuner card are you using to record TV?

I use TVMW5 quite extensively to crunch down recordings made with an InfiniTV 4 USB, and it works quite well. I'd get a trial of VideoReDo and see how many errors those .ts files have.

Try demuxing and remuxing the files in TVMW5. That also works occasionally. But from what you've described, it sounds like the .ts files are corrupted somehow. If you're using regular OTA ATSC tuners, that's something you're going to deal with a lot.

[nic2k4]

When looking at the comparison table on http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/compare.html (expand all elements there), it seems that VMW5 'has it all'. Have made a recap at the bottom. Not sure whether Smart Renderer will improve performance on .ts files. Also think it cannot create a .mp4 / mkv file without editing the source first.

If you look at the editing features it's clear that TVMW does not have smart rendering, I think you should have went with TAW 5 instead. It has smart rendering, supports the same input formats and can author DVD and Bluray discs. The only things missing are advanced editing (masks, filters...) and MKV support, but it does output AVCHD MP4 files. You could try to contact Pegasys and ask them to switch programs.

[vhwul62]

If you look at the editing features it's clear that TVMW does not have smart rendering, I think you should have went with TAW 5 instead. It has smart rendering, supports the same input formats and can author DVD and Bluray discs. The only things missing are advanced editing (masks, filters...) and MKV support, but it does output AVCHD MP4 files. You could try to contact Pegasys and ask them to switch programs.

Installed a trial version of TMPGEnc Authoring Works v5 - It handles the .ts files very fast - can move the slider back and forth, no issue at all.
Made a videoclip of it. Did the same thing with TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5. When moving the slider it takes 2-3 minutes before anything is happening at all. Sent a videoclip of that to TMPGEnc support as well. Earlier they advised that maybe I should need a more powerful pc. I gently told them that VideoRedo (with all due respect) had no issues at all with the .ts file - could move the slider back and forth and did not need to wait.

Anyway, I took my sample .ts file, did some cutting and wanted to export it. The only option I get is DVD.

Q: are you using TMPGEnc Authoring Works v5 ?
Is there something I need to tag/untag to make MP4 available?

Thanks
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[vhwul62]

What tuner card are you using to record TV?

I use TVMW5 quite extensively to crunch down recordings made with an InfiniTV 4 USB, and it works quite well. I'd get a trial of VideoReDo and see how many errors those .ts files have.

Try demuxing and remuxing the files in TVMW5. That also works occasionally. But from what you've described, it sounds like the .ts files are corrupted somehow. If you're using regular OTA ATSC tuners, that's something you're going to deal with a lot.

Am using a Humax cable STB Digital TV recorder.
As for VideoRedo, it works fine with .ts, that's for sure. Very fast and userfriendly.
No discussion.

I am not sure how to handle BD/DVD with VideoRedo though...
Seems for me there is no one-in-all product...

[nic2k4]

Sorry I don't use TAW, can't help there.

You need authoring software to create any disc unless you just want to plop some files on there. TAW can author discs and since you already paid Pegasys for the wrong thing, it would be really decent of them to switch it for you. It's no skin off their butt with their always on internet connection requirement (the reason I don't use TAW) they could simply void your TVMW serial.

[vhwul62]

Sorry I don't use TAW, can't help there.

TMPGEnc confirmed, no MP4 output, only DVD, BD and AVCHD media.
Bad luck, as Authoring Works, works fast.

[nic2k4]

Bad luck, as Authoring Works, works fast.

Sorry, I misunderstood what the site was showing. Would just be nice if you could get something for your money or a refund. The reason it's fast is that it doesn't re-encode the video if it doesn't have to (smart rendering); you get the original quality.

An alternative would be to use Video Container Changer to convert the .mts file in the AVCHD folder created by TAW 5 to an MP4 or MKV file. It's one more step, but being a demux/mux operation there's no loss of quality and it's a quick.

[vhwul62]

Up front - thanks to all here for submitting suggestions!

Except TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works v5, I also looked at TMPGEnc Authoring Works and TMPGEnc Smart Renderer.
Regretfully all three are lacking a specific thing that I wish to have.
TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works comes close though.

I guess what I want is not available in 1 all-in program. Worse, I think it is even not possible at all...

1) Import: BD/DVD/TS and MP4/MKV/AVI/MPG

2) Export: a.BD/DVD/TS->MP4/MKV, b.MP4/MKV/AVI/MPG: no change of course

3) Edit features:
3a. remove leading/trailing parts (like excessive TV-recordings in .ts files)
3b. remove 'breaking' commercials
3c. join sections after removing commercials

4) Subtitles - during playback - important:
4a. allow selection of subtitles (*)
4b. allow setting default subtitles

(*) example: movie in your native language, sometimes, the sound quality is poor and spoken text is difficult to understand
(like: very fast speaking+low sound level), in which case it is nice to have a 'supporting' subtitles displayed.

5) Quality: export to best possible quality

6) Userfriendly:
6a. like using a wizard
6b. default settings should be okay for most cases

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TMPGEnc Authoring Works : allows export to BD/DVD only (mp4/mkv etc. is not possible)

TMPGEnc Smart Renderer : AFAIK no subtitles support for DVD

TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works : has no support for subtitle selection (i.e. it is either displayed or not displayed)
Also it has a big issue with .ts files (very, very heavy disc activity, making it impossible to continue. Peculiarly enough: Authoring/Renderer do not have these issues at all...)

VideoRedo: tried this one - it is dedicated to .ts files - tried to work with it on a DVD - it was confusing. Donot know what to do/if the program can handle DVD at all. VideoRedo support wasn't helpful: they didn't reply on this. VideoRedo does not support a 'selectable' subtitle. So, I left this program. It is relatively expensive for its moderate features.

As for subtitles:
Remarkably, when checking out a free tool like VidCoder, it can convert DVD and BD to .mp4 or .mkv in high quality WITH selectable subtitles. Of course, VidCoder cannot edit, it is not designed for that, but just to say - a 'selectable' subtitle is possible. Commercial tools seem to have more problems with that.

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[nic2k4]

I guess what I want is not available in 1 all-in program. Worse, I think it is even not possible at all...

1) Import: BD/DVD/TS and MP4/MKV/AVI/MPG

2) Export: a.BD/DVD/TS->MP4/MKV, b.MP4/MKV/AVI/MPG: no change of course

3) Edit features:
3a. remove leading/trailing parts (like excessive TV-recordings in .ts files)
3b. remove 'breaking' commercials
3c. join sections after removing commercials

4) Subtitles - during playback - important:
4a. allow selection of subtitles (*)
4b. allow setting default subtitles

(*) example: movie in your native language, sometimes, the sound quality is poor and spoken text is difficult to understand
(like: very fast speaking+low sound level), in which case it is nice to have a 'supporting' subtitles displayed.

5) Quality: export to best possible quality

6) Userfriendly:
6a. like using a wizard
6b. default settings should be okay for most cases

That's a pretty tall order, you know what they say about jacks of all trades, master of none. Subtitle handling is a problem, many programs will strip them off, editing is non-existent and I'm not sure if any can output them in a text file for use with MKV or MP4 files (so they can be switchable). Export to the best possible quality implies smart rendering and exporting to the same CODEC as the original (putting HDTV OTA shows on DVD will require re-encoding, though the quality should still be high). Editing video requires some basic knowledge, programs that are "user friendly" often do away with the intricacies by giving you canned solutions and cutting back on functionality.

One program I forgot to mention is nerovision (I rarely use it, mostly when the others fail). I just tried it with an .mts file from an OTA recorder, it's pretty smooth, has smart rendering and can export to any format. It does preserve subs on DVD's, but I haven't tried it for other formats. It has its quirks and can be confusing at first, but it has salvaged a few bad DVD's for me. It's expensive, but I've seen it go on sale for half price and even less on liquidation (got v10 for $20).

[vhwul62]

Well, bottom line, as for the .TS files (the problem I started with, in this thread): I'll use the free and portable VidCoder to convert them to high quality MP4.
That will be the source for TMPGEnc Video Mastering Works then. Hopefully the guys at Pegasys will solve the issue (see my 1st posting). After all, their 2 other products (Smart Renderer and Authoring Works have no issieu at all with the .TS files and handle this type as fast as any other file).

As for 'selectable subtitles': hopefully they (Pegasys) will add this to the next version. Support has passed on the request to the developers. Timebeing it is only an issue for a few movies in the native language.

Thanks sofar!
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