Vegas 10, different brightness depending on player used

[CubanB]

I've been making some videos using FRAPS, and then importing and rendering out as either wmv or mp4.. same problem exists no matter what I do..

When viewed in Windows Media Player, the picture is overly dark/contrasy and not enough brightness..

When viewed in VLC player, the picture is overly bright with not enough contrast..

Does anyone know what could be causing this issue and if there is a setting in Vegas I can enable to resolve it?

[CubanB]

Problem is.. if I apply a filter thing to increase brightness, it looks even worse in VLC.. and if I make it more contrast, it looks even worse in Windows Media Player and I have no control over which program the viewer will use.

I guess different players are using different "gamma" levels but how come other videos I download made from other people have the same gamma level and mine don't?

[jagabo]

Download the latest WHQL certified driver for your graphics card.Adjust your Desktop proc amp settings with a calibration image. Check which output module VLC is using. Go to your graphics card setup applet and adjust the video proc amp settings with a calibration video:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/326496-file-in-Virtualdub-has-strange-colors-when-o...=1#post2022085

Make sure you don't have VLC set up with some odd video filtering.

[budwzr]

I'm interested in that too. Is there a step-by-step guide for newbies or dummies?

Donke Schitt

[CubanB]

Download the latest WHQL certified driver for your graphics card.Adjust your Desktop proc amp settings with a calibration image. Check which output module VLC is using. Go to your graphics card setup applet and adjust the video proc amp settings with a calibration video:

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/326496-file-in-Virtualdub-has-strange-colors-when-o...=1#post2022085

Make sure you don't have VLC set up with some odd video filtering.

This has helped alot.. I have some a quick test and found something..

In the NVIDIA drivers I use.. for the "adjust video color settings" in NVIDIA Control Panel.. there is a "let the player decide setting" or a "use your own NVIDIA settings thing".. when I used my own settings, and then choose "Dynamic range 16-235".. it does what I describe in original post. When I choose 0-255.. it acts the way it is supposed to, and shows the same colors in VLC that it does in WMP.

OR

In VLC, I can disable "Use hardware YUV - RGB conversions".. and it will do the same thing. It will show the same colors for VLC, as in WMP..

EITHER or BOTH of these fixes the problem..

However.. both of these settings are "default".. I hadn't touched my VLC player settings and I hadn't touched my NVIDIA card settings.. only formatted and reinstalled Windows a week or two ago..

So does anyone know a setting I can use in Sony Vegas to render/output this file.. to look as it should, without needing to tell people to change their video card or VLC setting in order to view it properly? I guess I could just say "don't use VLC" but yeah..

[CubanB]

Fixed it!!

http://support.cineform.com/entries/515575-sony-vegas-colors-look-washed-out

Run the Studio RGB to Computer RGB color correction filter.. in Video Output FX.. etc..

[budwzr]

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[jagabo]

Note that Sony Vegas is unusual in it's video presentation. It uses a PC.601 or PC.709 matrix to display video. Just about every other application, media player, DVD player, and TV uses REC.601 (SD) or REC.709 (HD). What you see on-screen in Vegas is not the way the video should be displayed. The darks will not be dark enough and the brights not bright enough.

[budwzr]

Note that Sony Vegas is unusual in it's video presentation. It uses a PC.601 or PC.709 matrix to display video. Just about every other application, media player, DVD player, and TV uses REC.601 (SD) or REC.709 (HD). What you see on-screen in Vegas is not the way the video should be displayed. The darks will not be dark enough and the brights not bright enough.

Is that because modern TV's are basically RGB monitors, or "PC" monitors? Not CRT's? Isn't "REC" an NTSC derivative?

I don't know who has a tube TV anymore, but I guess Sony doesn't support them anymore.

[jagabo]

Note that Sony Vegas is unusual in it's video presentation. It uses a PC.601 or PC.709 matrix to display video. Just about every other application, media player, DVD player, and TV uses REC.601 (SD) or REC.709 (HD). What you see on-screen in Vegas is not the way the video should be displayed. The darks will not be dark enough and the brights not bright enough.

Is that because modern TV's are basically RGB monitors, or "PC" monitors? Not CRT's? Isn't "REC" an NTSC derivative?

I don't know who has a tube TV anymore, but I guess Sony doesn't support them anymore.

All display technologies are RGB, even CRT displays. For backwards compatibility with black and white TV, most video formats are YUV so they have to be converted to RGB to be displayed. The REC matrices are from the ITU, the International Telecommunications Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU-R

As to why Sony decided to use studio RGB, I suspect it's so you can see the blacker-than-black and brighter-than-bright portions of the picture.

[budwzr]

Yeah, that's right. I stepped in it again. Thought I could BS my way through.