Authoring Bluray with DVD discs

[carlmart]

This is my first shot at authoring BD discs.

I just have a BD player, which I use mainly to play mkv files. I don't own a BD burner, mostly because I find the media too expensive to deal with and hard to get where I live.

But I have some files that are small enough to maybe fit on a DVD disc.

At the moment I have this file with these characteristics:
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : BluRay Video
File size : 966 MiB
Duration : 5mn 15s
Overall bit rate : 25.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 48.0 Mbps
Video #4113
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Duration : 5mn 15s
Bit rate : 24.0 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Audio #4352
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 5mn 15s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz


I did try burning it as a data file, but my player won't run it smoothly, only jumping and with no audio. So some kind of conversion and/or authoring seems to be in order.

How should I proceed? What programs should I use? My guess is multiAVCHD might do the job, but I don't know how to burn the DVD with BD compatible data.

Some guidelines here might be very useful.

[guns1inger]

Use MultiAVCHD to create the correct file structures, then use Imgburn to burn them to a DVD

[festmaster]

MultiAVCHD is definitely the tool to use. However, I learned in another thread that the bitrate is restricted for DVD-R disks due to the spin rates that can be used for them in Blu-ray players. You listed your file bitrate of 24 Mbps, which sounds like a straight Blu-Ray rip. That just is not going to work on DVD-R. I have had luck up to 10 Mbps, but I have not tried to find the cut off line. I just got a Blu-Ray burner for under $100 and disks are now about $1.50, so that is the direction I am going. For BD-R, there is no bitrate restriction and I have made uncompressed BD-R disks from my orphaned HD-DVD's.

Edit: Just saw you location as Brazil, so you might not get the same prices. Resample you videos with Ripbot264 to reduce the size and then author with MultiAVCHD.

[PuzZLeR]

I hate to deliver such news, but blu-ray content on a DvD, or even AVCHD, on DvD or BD, are not part of the blu-ray standard - only if available as a feature, or if you're lucky. In fact, regular DvDs too are, in theory, not part of the blu-ray standard either, but should play only because it's a very high-demand feature.

Since blu-ray players are not obligated to such content, you really need to check with your player first, or settle with "finger-crossing compatibility" otherwise.

[carlmart]

In fact I've had some issues with playing special, probably non-standard discs, on my BD player. Particularly audio-DVDs I authored.

Those same discs played fine on my DVD player, so I was not sure what the problem might be.

OTOS I record all my mkv files in DVDs, SL and DL, and of course they only play on the BD player.

On regular DVDs all BD player do upscaling processing, which my DVD player also has. So I better keep my former player a bit longer.

[nwo]

I have had luck up to 10 Mbps, but I have not tried to find the cut off line.

I can confirm that discs unto 17 Mbps work on dvd-r with both Foehn & Hirsch and Panasonic blu-ray players.

[carlmart]

I can confirm that discs unto 17 Mbps work on dvd-r with both Foehn & Hirsch and Panasonic blu-ray players.

OK. How can I take advantage of that in authoring? Can I still author a DVD disc as if it was a BD disc?

[nwo]

I can confirm that discs unto 17 Mbps work on dvd-r with both Foehn & Hirsch and Panasonic blu-ray players.

OK. How can I take advantage of that in authoring? Can I still author a DVD disc as if it was a BD disc?

Well i use MultiAVCHD to make the Blu-ray files and burn with Imgburn as a BD disc.

[PuzZLeR]

Don't know if it helps you with bitrates, but I've done lots of hands-on testing with several models of blu-ray players myself. I have found that the LG brand was most accepting of streams - even those not "compliant" with multiple reference frames > 4, wrong pixel aspect ratios, etc.

This was from DvD discs too. Tough players.

[carlmart]

Well i use to make the Blu-ray files and burn with Imgburn as a BD disc.

I'm not too familiar with MultiAVCHD settings for authoring a BD compatible disc. My first try did not work.

Going my first steps with Imgburn too, so I don't know the BD setup either.

Can you help me there?

[carlmart]

Don't know if it helps you with bitrates, but I've done lots of hands-on testing with several models of blu-ray players myself. I have found that the LG brand was most accepting of streams - even those not "compliant" with multiple reference frames > 4, wrong pixel aspect ratios, etc.

This was from DvD discs too. Tough players.

Well, I think I can support that. My BD player is LG, and it seems to play lots of things.

I only had problems with audio-DVD files.

They play MKV NTFS files, which most BD players don't. Pity they locked up playing all-zone DVDs in US version, which European models allow.