Will the analog lockdown shut off rca out on hdmi receivers when it starts?

[yoda313]

Ok I was wondering about this the other day. Whenever the analog shut off goes into effect for bluray will that mean the analog out on hdmi receivers will be disabled? How will it know to disable it only during hdmi usage? Is that integrated into ALL HDMI receivers?

Is that something that has already been worked into existing sets? So when they decide to throw the switch and limit it to just digital will that cut off the rec out analog feeds from the hdmi receiver?

Also will you still be able to do low res out of bluray from analog channels when the switch goes on? Or does that mean when the switch goes on you will only be able to use hdmi and nothing else?

What about all the thousands to millions of non hdmi tvs out there? Does that mean no bluray at all without hdmi or just no hd from bluray?

I guess I don't understand if its just a res restriction or a total lockdown when the switch goes on.

Lastly - is that on all bluray discs since the first one was made? Or is it on an individual disc basis?

[jagabo]

Your receiver converts HDMI to analog?

The AACS rules require that no player sold after 2010 output HD analog. After 2013 no player sold will be allowed to output any analog signal at all. I believe all players already have the ability to down-res when the image constraint token is enabled.

http://www.aacsla.com/license/

The stupid thing is that AACS is already completely cracked. So all this does is screw legitimate users who need the analog outputs.

But that's ok. The world is coming to an end in Dec 2012 anyway.

[yoda313]

Your receiver converts HDMI to analog?

Actually I don't have a hdmi receiver.

What I was getting at was I was assuming a hdmi receiver has rca audio out and that would carry any hdmi input out via analog - as if you were able to record it to another source like a tape deck or cd recorder for example - the audio I mean.

The AACS rules require that no player sold after 2010 output HD analog. After 2013 no player sold will be allowed to output any analog signal at all. I believe all players already have the ability to down-res when the image constraint token is enabled.

So there will be a total analog cutoff then. So that would be relevant in any bluray player?

Does that effect dvd upconversion? I don't see why - I mean if your player can upconvert via component in the first place.

But that's ok. The world is coming to an and in Dec 2012 anyway.

Ah but of course. Thats why I'm planning on looking for a deal to buy a 3d hdtv with a 3 YEAR payback plan.... I will only have to pay two years on it

[jagabo]

Your receiver converts HDMI to analog?

Actually I don't have a hdmi receiver.

What I was getting at was I was assuming a hdmi receiver has rca audio out and that would carry any hdmi input out via analog - as if you were able to record it to another source like a tape deck or cd recorder for example - the audio I mean.

I know what you were asking -- and I don't know the answer. But, as a rule, receivers are just dumb switches. They don't convert anything. HDMI inputs only go to the HDMI output, RCA inputs only go to the RCA output, etc.

So there will be a total analog cutoff then. So that would be relevant in any bluray player?

Yes, all players sold after the cutoff. I don't know if current players have a cutoff timer built in. Or if they will have their firmware updated when you install a disc manufactured after the cutoff (AACS rules have a provision for black listing keys. The black list can be distributed on discs. If a player finds its keys on the black list it will no longer play AACS content. I don't know if there's also a provision for just shutting off the analog outputs.)

Does that effect dvd upconversion? I don't see why - I mean if your player can upconvert via component in the first place.

I don't think AACS has any provisions against DVD upconversion. But most DVD players will not upconvert to the component outputs (I think this is mostly a limitation of the chips they use, not an AACS issue -- DVDs use CSS not AACS). And they've mostly dropped s-video outputs already.

[yoda313]

I don't think AACS has any provisions against DVD upconversion. But most DVD players will not upconvert to the component outputs (I think this is mostly a limitation of the chips they use, not an AACS issue -- DVDs use CSS not AACS). And they've mostly dropped s-video outputs already.

Thats interesting. I might check sometime with my ps3. However I don't know how I would determine what was doing the upconversion - the ps3 or the tv. If I dub to my hd pvr is that taking the true signal without any "manipulation" - ie upconverting upon recording?

Thanks for the other insights.

[jagabo]

The HD PVR will tell you what the source format is. Many TVs will do this too. My Samsung does when the Info button is pressed.