How can I get 352x480 avi capture with this combo?

[K-Daddy?]

My goal is to capture 352x480 and 480x480 AVI video from VHS tape.

Problem: Every capture application I own will only allow me to capture up to 288 lines of vertical resolution. I need 480.
Also, vfwwdm wrapper works in other capture applications, but not VirtualDub.

I've tried running capture applications that use WDM instead of VFW, and still am only allowed up to 288 lines of vertical resolution on my captures.

System:
Windows 98
MMC 7.6
DirectX 8.1 (with capture patch)
ATI Radeon 64MB DDR AGP graphics card
AMD Athlon 1600+ XP processor
K7T Turbo2 ATX motherboard with VIA KT133A chipset
2 - 40GB hard drives
448 MB RAM
vfwwdm wrapper installed and working with apps other than VirtualDub (why not VDub?)

This problem is driving me crazy! I've read everthing I can find and tried everything I know for 2 weeks now.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[Anonymous65]

What capture card do you have? Do you have the AIW ATI card? If you have the All in Wonder, you should have no problems getting both fields. If yuo have the BT8x8 capture cards, then you will have to work harder to get both fields by turning off overlay mode and turn on Preview mode. If you're using WDM drivers, then good luck.

[K-Daddy?]

I can capture video with the ATI Radeon 64MB DDR AGP graphics card. It doubles as a Video In Video Out (VIVO) capture card.

[bungle]

You will only be able to capture 352x480 using WDM software. Any VFW software will use the wrapper which has a limit of 288!

I have a similar configuration to you and I use iuVCR and I can capture 352x576@25fps (PAL) without any problems. I set the capture size using a custom setting

[K-Daddy?]

I've tried using iuVCR (a WDM - based program) and it will not accept any height values greater than 240 when capturing to uncompressed AVI, even when using the custom settings box.

If I capture using MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 compression in ATI MMC7.6 I can capture at 480 height, but not if I try to capture uncompressed AVI.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks!

[Spicuzza]

K-Daddy?, I have the ATI All-in-Wonder 128 Pro and capture with Ulead's VideoStudio 6.0 ( www.ulead.com ) at whatever frame size I want. Capturing uncompressed AVI @ 352 x 480 or 480 x 480 isn't any problem.

[sonoma]

which ati capture drivers are you using? I have had problems with the new 5118's. They exibited the same problem for me. I am now using the 5120's. Or go down to a previous version.

[marsmayhem]

I have the ATI RADEON 64MB DDR VIVO. I capture at 352x480 successfully using XP and MMC 7.6. Toss the wrapper - WDM drivers are 32bit drivers, VFW are 16 bit drivers. I'll let you guess which one is faster.

Forget VDUB, you don't need it. I capture using MMC and UYVY native codec - it's the same as Huffyuv (more or less), ie. lossless and size monster.

If you can't get exact size under MMC for your AVI cap, dip into the registry and patch the sizes there. It's what I had to do to get 352 width.

[K-Daddy?]

Sonoma, I'm using the 5118 WDM capture driver. Can you tell me where you got the 5120 (or older versions)? I searched the ATI site and found no other compatible capture drivers for Win98 and Radeon 64MB DDR VIVO card.


Marsmayhem, I think you may have the answer with changing the registry settings. Could you please point me in the right direction for how you did it?


Spicuzza, I don't think this is a software package issue because each package I'm trying supposedly can capture AVI at 480 height resolutions. I think it's a driver or compatibility issue.

Would upgrading to win XP help at all? I'd rather not spend more money if this can be fixed using my current configuration.

Thanks for the help.

[sonoma]

create custom avi profile. In registry goto
current user,software,ati tech,multimedia,features,tv,video capture,avi.
your profiles are there. (i'm using w2k but 98 should be the same)

you might have to go back to some old drivers. ati used to bundle the capture drivers with the display drivers. they don't do that any more.
ontheir web site go to the display driver for your card and os and click previous display driver version. get an old one and unpack. if it has a dir called wdm, use those. they are about 400k, i could email themto you also

edit. forgot to mention registry hack is for mmc 7.1. this does not work in 7.6, but you can install 7.1, regedit, then install 7.6 and all custom settings carry over.

[K-Daddy?]

Thanks for your input sonoma.

I looked in my registry under Video Capture and there is no AVI folder, only "MPEG", "Custom Data", and "Motion Triggered". Does this mean I'll have to try the MMC 7.1 install, registry hack, then MMC 7.6 reinstall?

Do you recommend uninstalling all ATI components and drivers prior to reinstalling MMC 7.1?

Thanks!

[sonoma]

just uninstall 7.6, install 7.1. The custom avi profile you set up has to be the active profile for the regedit to work. then install 7.6 on top. you can also delete 7.1, but when it asks to save preferences, say yes. (haven'r tried this yet but it should work

[marsmayhem]

AVI registry editing *does* work with 7.6 MMC. I'm doing it myself. Just don't edit the profile again using MMC - it will reset your res to whatever's in the dropdown list of resolutions (silly MMC).

I recommend you reply "NO" to the question about saving your preferences. ATI MMC is finicky - best results seem to be a clean uninstall then re-install. But like I said, you don't need to necessarily uninstall 7.6 to edit the registry manually (unless it absolutely doesn't work for you).

Registry location depends on which OS you're using. I'm XP, so it'll be slightly different. Best way to find it is to give your AVI profile a name, like 'D1.AVI.YUYV', close MMC, run regedit and do a search for the name. It should find it just fine. That's how I did it in the beginning.

Win2K/WinXP gives you NTFS file system - helps when you're doing large captures. Failing that, MMC gives you the option of setting a file size to capture at - it will create multiple files of that size for as long as you capture (eg. set it to 1GB file size, and if you capture for 4GB worth, you'll have 4 files).

I'm not sure, but for XP I had to install them in this order:
1) TV WDM Capture driver
2) ATI Display Driver
3) ATI MMC
4) ATI DVD Player

[sonoma]

maybe I.m wrong, I'll have to try again. My previous experience has been that after the regedit, going back into 7.6 it wouldn't stick.

[marsmayhem]

That happens if you try and Edit the profile after you've edited it. Same thing used to happen with invalidly hacked MPEG1/2 profiles. Well, invalid according to MMC anyway.

[sonoma]

this was happening when I would go into mmc and nothing else

[Spicuzza]

K-Daddy? wrote:

Spicuzza, I don't think this is a software package issue because each package I'm trying supposedly can capture AVI at 480 height resolutions. I think it's a driver or compatibility issue.

Just to clarify, I have ATI AIW 128 Pro using ATI's WindowsXP drivers, http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/winxp/winxpr1286133279.html , and I'm using ATI's MMC 7.6, I've done nothing special and have not hacked into the registry.

As you know ATI MMC does not have 352 x 480 or 480 x 480 frame sizes, I select these with Ulead's VideoStudio 6 and capture with VideoStudio. Just for fun you could download the trial version of VideoStudio 6 and see if that will allow you to capture at these sizes without jumping through hoops while you're doing backflips.

[K-Daddy?]

Thanks for all of your help. I'll try all of your suggestions tonight and post the results.

[Anonymous65]

Yes, the ATI card will capture 352 and 480x480 in Ulead Videostudio. But, I don't understand why ATI is not including these resolutions in their default list of capture resolutions. If you use Ulead DVD moviemaker to capture video, then you're stuck with ATI's list of resolutions, which does NOT include 352x480 and 480x480!

[K-Daddy?]

update... No progress what-so-ever!

Here's what I've tried:

1. uninstalled MMC 7.6
2. reinstalled MMC 7.1
3. made custom profile in MMC 7.1 and changed it with the regedit hack to 352x480

MMC 7.1 automatically changed the settings back to default.

So I tried:
1. uninstalled MMC 7.6
2. uninstalled ATI display driver
3. reinstalled Win98 ATI capture driver 5118 (tried 5120, but system wouldn't recognize them)
4. reinstalled Win98 ATI display driver
5. reinstalled Win98 ATI MMC 7.6
6. updated VIA chipset 4in1 drivers
7. made custom avi profile in MMC 7.6 and changed it with regedit hack to 352x480.

MMC 7.6 changed the settings back to default avi setting.

I have no clue what else to try. Anyone have other suggestions?

(Spicuzza, I'm not ignoring your suggestions. It'll take me about 8 hours to download the trial copy of VideoStudio6.0. Maybe I'll do it overnight tonight.)

[sonoma]

this may sound overly handholding but, what settings did you set for your custom profile? did you close mmc 7.1 and open again to make sure your profile was still defaulted. then close mmc 7.1 regedit, close regedit, open mmc 7.1.

another thing is older ati drivers included the wdm drivers. newer one don't. find and older driver from ati's site that includes wdm's and install those wdm and display drivers, then update just the display drivers. for w2k the 6014's included older wdm's.

I'm sending them to you

[K-Daddy?]

Update: Partial Success....... Finally!

Tried sonoma's suggestion of removing ATi's latest video driver and MMC 7.6 and installing a previous ATI video driver version that included the WDM capture files with the video driver - (wmeradeon4139009.exe - found on ATI's site).

After installing wmeradeon4139009.exe ATI video driver (and without reinstalling MMC 7.6) I tried some capture programs and found that I could now capture AVI at resolutions up to 720x576 without any registry hacks. Exactly what I had hoped to accomplish!

I didn't get the audio, and don't have time now to explore that issue, but that's the least of my worries.

I'm wondering if I even need to install MMC 7.6? Can anyone tell me if I'll get messed up again if I reinstall MMC 7.6 without the separate WDM capture driver?

Many thanks to sonoma, skittelsen, Spicuzza, marsmayhem, and bungle for all the help!

[sonoma]

just install 7.6 on top of 7.1. don't touch wdm drivers

edit. whoops, didn't read right. if you don't need 7.1 then fine. I use 7.1 to set custom avi capture sizes, then "upgrade" to 7.6 to get blended desktop. But I haven't had any luck regediting custom profiles in 7.6.